Used/preowned car

[Newbie26]

Dear Bamms

 

Have been thru similar situation previously.

 

Just Bad luck

 

At present, at least you have the lemon law that can help you.

 

Make a demand to your dealer to pay for all these defects/problems.

 

In the worst case scenario, you should be able to claim 50% of the cost from them.

 

Some of the quotations you gave from the workshop look excessive.

 

Going to Dealer's workshop is tricky bec you do not know whether there are behind the scene conflict of interest.

 

Dont take the mentality that the dealer wont pay bec the law is on your side.

 

 

Hi Little Prince, Thank you for the thread! Price of car was $33k and I'm a bit apprehensive on writing who the dealer is, I can PM you if you wish :)

They have been kind to me, then again, I'm a girl right, what do I know? :)

 

It's my FIRST TIME buying a second hand car, and I did some research but who's to know what goes on in the car. My Dad whom has bought a few 2nd hand cars in his lifetime gets screwed over at times, despite precaution. I have always bought new cars, until they changed the loan system. Sigh..

 

Like what Darryn wrote, these dealers have many mechanics contacts they work with.

Darryn: Thanks for the tip Darryn, next time I know better, I hope! :) I don't have a regular mechanic, which is why I am clueless whom to trust or go to. The last car I had was a VW and it was always serviced with them.

 

My dealer has replied to my email and he's asked me to send the car over to their workshop for a diagnosis. He gave me a secondary workshop contact (My Garage) as the first one kept saying they changed the sensor, but didn't till the 3rd time I sent the car in after it died on me.

 

MG quoted $4.5k for engine gasket and seal. I probably will send it to the dealer's workshop and let them have a look. Maybe I can ask them to do a compression test??

 

 

Don't understand how some people get so opinionated and judgemental when issues like these arise, and they view themselves far above it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer]

On another note, when we sell our problematic cars to 2nd hand car dealers instead of repairing or scrapping, we are just playing musical chairs.

 

It could be that the previous owner is aware of the problem and choose to sell it to the 2nd hand car dealers. Then the 2nd hand dealers pass it on to you. Now, you plan to pass it back.

 

When we complain about lemon cars from 2nd hand car dealers, we have to always remember that it is not them who damaged the car, it was the previous owner.

 

Mazda RX8s are not your average BnB cars. They are known to require lots of TLC from owners. When we buy them, we must plan to put money aside for that. In fact, I have considered RX8s before but was turned off by the possibility of what you are experiencing right now.

 

Your best bet is to get help from CASE to push the 2nd hand car dealers but they have be fair to attempt to help so far based on your statements. They probably din earn a lot from you, so if you expect more from them, it is going to be hard.

 

Cannot be they earn 3-5k from you, you have to top up 10k to repair the car.

[Wt_know]

yes, depends on luck

70% sway and 30% good (minor problem is considered good liao)

 

Buying used car not always have problems, still depends on your luck. I have friends and colleagues also bought used car recently, so far none of them have problems with their car or dealer.

 

this means STA, Viacom evaluation and inspection with their simi accreditation/grading is NOT working

if not why setup STA, Viacom evaluation and inspection? ... for show only ...

STA and Viacom supposely a 3rd party inspector to inspect the car "objectively" instead of used car dealer anyhow said their car is awesome ... used car dealer also can use the STA/Viacom report to tekan the owner car price as long as the car is made good for the next owner

the intent was there to stop passing the "problem" to next owner ... but it's NOT working ... for show only

 

It could be that the previous owner is aware of the problem and choose to sell it to the 2nd hand car dealers. Then the 2nd hand dealers pass it on to you. Now, you plan to pass it back.

 

Edited April 8, 2015 by Wt_know

[Little_prince]

Hi Little Prince, Thank you for the thread! Price of car was $33k and I'm a bit apprehensive on writing who the dealer is, I can PM you if you wish :)

They have been kind to me, then again, I'm a girl right, what do I know? :)

 

It's my FIRST TIME buying a second hand car, and I did some research but who's to know what goes on in the car. My Dad whom has bought a few 2nd hand cars in his lifetime gets screwed over at times, despite precaution. I have always bought new cars, until they changed the loan system. Sigh..

 

Like what Darryn wrote, these dealers have many mechanics contacts they work with.

Darryn: Thanks for the tip Darryn, next time I know better, I hope! :) I don't have a regular mechanic, which is why I am clueless whom to trust or go to. The last car I had was a VW and it was always serviced with them.

 

My dealer has replied to my email and he's asked me to send the car over to their workshop for a diagnosis. He gave me a secondary workshop contact (My Garage) as the first one kept saying they changed the sensor, but didn't till the 3rd time I sent the car in after it died on me.

 

MG quoted $4.5k for engine gasket and seal. I probably will send it to the dealer's workshop and let them have a look. Maybe I can ask them to do a compression test??

 

 

Don't understand how some people get so opinionated and judgemental when issues like these arise, and they view themselves far above it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RX8 is famous for being problematic due to the rotary engine.

 

probably one of the worse car you can choose for a 2nd hand.

[bellboy]

yes, depends on luck

70% sway and 30% good (minor problem is considered good liao)

 

 

this means STA, Viacom evaluation and inspection with their simi accreditation/grading is NOT working

if not why setup STA, Viacom evaluation and inspection? ... for show only ...

STA and Viacom supposely a 3rd party inspector to inspect the car "objectively" instead of used car dealer anyhow said their car is awesome ... used car dealer also can use the STA/Viacom report to tekan the owner car price as long as the car is made good for the next owner

the intent was there to stop passing the "problem" to next owner ... but it's NOT working ... for show only

 

 

 

STA and VICOM checks are mainly to check if the car has an accident history.

Checks for faulty parts like leaking engine gaskets, shock absorber, etc will be checked too, but if the leakage has been cleaned up prior, then there's little chance to detect.

 

The full report will state all the components that have been checked. So the customer can sue them if found to be wrong. But you need to be the customer, not the car dealer.

[Wt_know]

anyway, buy used car is best to check it 100% by your trusted workshop

if dealer don't allow to check ... walk away ...

 

STA and VICOM checks are mainly to check if the car has an accident history.

Checks for faulty parts like leaking engine gaskets, shock absorber, etc will be checked too, but if the leakage has been cleaned up prior, then there's little chance to detect.

 

The full report will state all the components that have been checked. So the customer can sue them if found to be wrong. But you need to be the customer, not the car dealer.

 

[Pioneer]

To be more precise.

 

Vehicle Inspection is still important in detecting common and universal defects. It is not full-proof because each car is design differently and hence has its unique flaws and weaknesses. In this case, it is better to seek local and oversea forums to have a better understanding of the possible problems and areas that new owners must look out for when they buy a pre-own car.

 

In the case of the RX8, the problem is unique. I suspect even normal ws cannot detect at the point of purchase. I do not think used car dealers asked for car inspection before buying in the car. I would think that many owners will reject the request out of guilt.

 

No system is full proof and that itself should not be the reason to discredit its existence.

 

yes, depends on luck

70% sway and 30% good (minor problem is considered good liao)

 

 

this means STA, Viacom evaluation and inspection with their simi accreditation/grading is NOT working

if not why setup STA, Viacom evaluation and inspection? ... for show only ...

STA and Viacom supposely a 3rd party inspector to inspect the car "objectively" instead of used car dealer anyhow said their car is awesome ... used car dealer also can use the STA/Viacom report to tekan the owner car price as long as the car is made good for the next owner

the intent was there to stop passing the "problem" to next owner ... but it's NOT working ... for show only

 

 

 

[Wt_know]

STA and Viacom grading has gone down to a level that no one actually care or believe it

so, it's existence is still valid?

 

 

No system is full proof and that itself should not be the reason to discredit its existence.

 

Edited April 8, 2015 by Wt_know

[Wendragon]

Just wondering, if the used car both headlights cover got haze buildup, does it mean likely the car has no serious front collision before, at least recently?

How long does it take for the haze to form? for both halogen and xenon HID.....

Edited April 9, 2015 by Wendragon

[Matrix0405]

STA and Viacom grading has gone down to a level that no one actually care or believe it

so, it's existence is still valid?

 

 

 

 

 

Agree. If pay $10, then their standard is ok. For $100, ofc more is expected from them.

[Volvobrick]

Just wondering, if the used car both headlights cover got haze buildup, does it mean likely the car has no serious front collision before, at least recently?

How long does it take for the haze to form? for both halogen and xenon HID.....

 

Or it could mean the good headlights have been swapped out to another car!

 

Depends on quality of the lens! I remember E-class 2 gen ago all suffered from opaque lens.

 

I am going to make my car headlights hazy when selling so can claim no accident before....

[flashbang]

Just wondering, if the used car both headlights cover got haze buildup, does it mean likely the car has no serious front collision before, at least recently?

How long does it take for the haze to form? for both halogen and xenon HID.....

 

You can't rule out the possibility of an accident even if both headlights are hazy. However, if one is hazy and one is new then you know something is up!

[Vinceng]

Sounds fishy. How come the STA inspection did not detect these teething issues? What grade was your car awarded by STA?

 

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie, thus I can only reply to posts, so this may not have anything to do with the original posting.

 

I need some urgent advice.

 

I bought a used Mazda RX8 from a car dealer less than 2 mths ago. It was STA inspected etc, etc and sent for evaluation, all was alright until I started using the car.

 

It kept dying on me. So went back to car dealer, he sent to workshop, cut story short, after a month they finally replaced the CO sensor or something to that effect.

Then, another issue, the car overheats too darn frequently, plus noticed it hits just about any hump, especially when I have one extra passenger at the back, or even my grocery shopping!!

 

So sent to Autobacs for initital check and they diagnosed;

 

Engine oil and gear oil are dirty. Flushed and topped up the oil.

Radiator water too low. Topped up.

Paid almost $600 for that.

 

More diagnosis;

The gaskets for the engine needs to be replaced; it is causing air leakage; hence the radiator water bubbled and spilled to the drainage tube.

We were told to top up the water every 2 days to avoid radiator water from drying up.

 

The temperature in the car gets hot due to radiator not cooling off the system although the air con fan is turning.

The rear wheel absorber(damper) may have burst/break and need to be replaced - car cannot have rear seat passenger because the bottom of the car will graze any hump.

 

Absorber could also be the reason why the tyres are worn off. Also need to check wheel alignment/angle that contribute to the worn off tyres.

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I went back to car dealer and he was sorry this happened and advised me to change what is necessary first.

I doubt they would cover any of the above. They may do the first service, but I can't be too sure about that.

 

Problem is - this will likely set me back at least $6000-$10000.

 

 

MY QUESTION;

Should I just get rid of the car???

Car is due for deregistration in 2017. Is it even worth doing an overhaul?

 

Even though I've got it for only 2mths. It's been in the workshop more than it has been with me.

I still have an outstanding loan with the bank, 20 more months to be exact.

 

What should I do?? Is it even possible to resell the car at this early stage?

If I do, should I trade in? Sell to dealers? Use Quotz?

 

Please please advise....

 

 

 

 

 

[Bamms]

I think STA gave it a B.

As far as I can remember every box was ticked on the checklist:)

 

I haven't got the checklist now though.

I'm getting different opinions on what's wrong with the car...sigh.

Some say gasket, or not, radiator, or not....

I'm in a spin.

I think I will most likely bring it over to Mazda workshop - although I have no idea where that is..

 

 

Sounds fishy. How come the STA inspection did not detect these teething issues? What grade was your car awarded by STA?

 

[Beehive3783]

Rotary engines are costly and tricky to fix because of its design - bring it to a rotary engine specialist instead of the Mazda AD workshop.

 

Or you can try your luck hunting for a rotary specialist in Malaysia, if there are any.

 

Anyway, Mazda AD is Trans Eurokars.

 

 

I think STA gave it a B.

As far as I can remember every box was ticked on the checklist:)

 

I haven't got the checklist now though.

I'm getting different opinions on what's wrong with the car...sigh.

Some say gasket, or not, radiator, or not....

I'm in a spin.

I think I will most likely bring it over to Mazda workshop - although I have no idea where that is..

 

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2015 by Beehive3783

[Hamburger]

It's not easy to diagnose without physical looking at it. You need to have some form of understanding of engine and how it works.

 

Compression test is very easy to do and it WILL tell you which cylinder is worn off. Sad to say local workshop is......

 

A simple test for you,pull out the dip stick with the engine running. if not much fumes comes out from it,chances are you are not too bad. If not.....a bit Jialat.

[Furrynadz]

Just scrap it

[Stratovarius]

I think STA gave it a B.

As far as I can remember every box was ticked on the checklist:)

 

I haven't got the checklist now though.

I'm getting different opinions on what's wrong with the car...sigh.

Some say gasket, or not, radiator, or not....

I'm in a spin.

I think I will most likely bring it over to Mazda workshop - although I have no idea where that is..

 

 

 

B is pretty bad. Was told not to accept other than A from STA.

 

My fren used to go DKC to zhng his rx8. Not sure if it is still around anot. You can try google the details.