Paris Terror Attacks, Satire cartoon crew killed.

[Jman888]

the staff in the company must be feeling like working near war zone with life threatened everyday, must buy extra insurance.

[Mustank]

SG got ponding

 

between shooting, bombing, gassing and ponding

i take ponding

 

yesshhhheee....Middle Earth is beri safe indeed [laugh]

 

tiagong middle earth recruiting people

dont think people wanna go

living as a hobbit no joke

[Count-Bracula]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900259/Gunmen-kill-11-Charlie-Hebdo-attack.html

[Tonyng]

Some of their works were baiting their enemies.

 

Freedom is so fxxking overrated.

Freedom of speech is important and needs to be protected but got risks.

 

Risk of distortions, rumors, untruths, misinformation and smears are acceptable because chance of truth emerging more than makes up the cost.

 

As for risks of stupidity like in this case, no amount of protection is enough.

[Evillusion]

Execution style murder.....cool and calm....double taps.....professional doing the job. One suspect surrendered after seeing his name in the suspect list!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900593/Killing-without-mercy-terrifying-footage-shows-highly-trained-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists-gunned-police-using-military-techniques-fled-Paris.html

[Toothiewabbit]

 

tiagong middle earth recruiting people

dont think people wanna go

living as a hobbit no joke

 

Looking at the Orcs, I dun think they offer dental benefits leh

[Wt_know]

satire > mock > insult > humiliate > abuse > violate > beh tahan liao

[Darryn]

People talk about each others' mothers or family already can get into fights, what more making fun of other people's religion?

 

I saw the satirical drawings and they were pretty disrespectful. As another MCFer said, freedom of speech does come with responsibility.

How can the mutterings of a "non-believer" hurt your religion?

 

if it is a "true religion" how can what an idiot says about it hurt you?

 

How does what I say hurt your beliefs?

 

here's another thought - a priest spends a year without god - and becomes athiest

 

My personal belief is, if you need to "defend" your religion by killing or punishing those that don't hold the same beliefs, or those that "disrespect" it - you have bigger doubts than they do. If you are threatened by what an athiest / infidel / non-believer says, you are not secure in your own belief.

[Knoobie]

am I the only one that feels that it wasn't very much similar to the past terrorist attacks?

[Darryn]

The terrorist or gunman are getting younger. Only 18yrs

Or maybe angmo mature faster.

 

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They are brothers Said and Cherif Kaouchi, aged 32 and 34, and Hamyd Mourad, 18.

Young people - not much life experience, not much maturity -

 

easy targets for the cynical to radicalise and influence, not the strength of character that comes with maturity and life experience so easier to bully into doing strange things

[ins1dious]

better avoid going to France

 

I have plenty of close relatives (1st cousins, my mums brother, etc) living in Paris... As a matter of fact, more family there than even here. They have always held French citizenship cos of the quirky nature of being born in a former french colony. And they are worried.

 

There's all these criminally insane idiots who have hijacked Islam and some of the media has almost made the words "terrorists" and "muslims" as synonyms. A month or so ago, you had these copycat crimes where these extremists were mowing down pedestrians with their cars. And now this...

 

It doesn't matter what the idiot cartoonists had published. It doesn't matter that it was insulting to all the prophets in the three Books. When they do acts of terror like this, they are only validating the general opinion and a movement that is growing strong in the EU. Just the day before, Germany saw one of the biggest rallies for the anti-islamisation of Europe. And now this...

 

While some of the new French rules/directives seemed to be aimed at a minor few, it has also served to antagonise a lot. The ban on face veils, halal/kosher meat in certain schools, restriction on where to pray etc. brings a general discontent among the religious. Not to mention the danish cartoons and that useless youtube movie.

 

Reacting violently to all of that isn't going to solve anything. Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. Martin Luther King and Mandela didn't bring about the changes they did by violently opposing the status quo.

 

http://youtu.be/smEqnnklfYs?t=7m37s

skip to 7 mins 35s

 

My family there are moderate. They are lawyers, doctors, financiers and diplomats. They are 3rd generation French citizens. That is their home. But these terrorists acts are making their own place tenuous when they are now being judged by how they look, by their names and how they choose to dress.

[Darryn]

For the record, these folks not only make fun of Islam, but a whole lot of other religions from Christians to Jewish.

 

Imho, it's best not to mock and make fun of what you don't understand.

 

Yeah making fun of them at coffeshop talks or just passing a remark or even put a blog is one thing, publishing them on MSM papers and media is another.

 

They already got warnings and condemnation from the extremists, should have seen this coming.

 

But then France is a very liberal country, you can practically walk naked and no one cares.

 

I guess the cartoonists are living in a perceived comfort zone that they think nothing can touch them. And looks like terror came looking for them.

 

It's a sad day for freedom of speech.

The thing is,

 

Once you start regulating and editing speech for the sensitivities of the extremist or devout believer - then where do you stop?

 

We all know the case of the poor Malala Yousafzai --- should she have just "shut up" or not advocated education for girls in public? Should she have "expected" what she got?

 

It's a "slippery slope" argument (which I don't generally believe in) but you must also remember -

 

1. The paper wasn't advocating violence or retribution in any way (which can't be said of the many keyboard warriors here)

2. They weren't singling out any particular religion for special attention

3. They announce and declare themselves as a satirical magazine.

 

There is no "one true religion" - and the extremists on any side that try to claim so, and those that say believers of other religions are "damned" should themselves be condemned to purgatory

[Goldbug]

can't the terrorist draw cartoons and suan the French cartoonist instead... sibei violent leh

[Super7]

 

I have plenty of close relatives (1st cousins, my mums brother, etc) living in Paris... As a matter of fact, more family there than even here. They have always held French citizenship cos of the quirky nature of being born in a former french colony. And they are worried.

 

There's all these criminally insane idiots who have hijacked Islam and some of the media has almost made the words "terrorists" and "muslims" as synonyms. A month or so ago, you had these copycat crimes where these extremists were mowing down pedestrians with their cars. And now this...

 

It doesn't matter what the idiot cartoonists had published. It doesn't matter that it was insulting to all the prophets in the three Books. When they do acts of terror like this, they are only validating the general opinion and a movement that is growing strong in the EU. Just the day before, Germany saw one of the biggest rallies for the anti-islamisation of Europe. And now this...

 

While some of the new French rules/directives seemed to be aimed at a minor few, it has also served to antagonise a lot. The ban on face veils, halal/kosher meat in certain schools, restriction on where to pray etc. brings a general discontent among the religious. Not to mention the danish cartoons and that useless youtube movie.

 

Reacting violently to all of that isn't going to solve anything. Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. Martin Luther King and Mandela didn't bring about the changes they did by violently opposing the status quo.

 

http://youtu.be/smEqnnklfYs?t=7m37s

skip to 7 mins 35s

 

My family there are moderate. They are lawyers, doctors, financiers and diplomats. They are 3rd generation French citizens. That is their home. But these terrorists acts are making their own place tenuous when they are now being judged by how they look, by their names and how they choose to dress.

 

Maybe the innocent majority whose religious beliefs have been hijacked by these barbarians can consider really stepping out and make a much stronger stand against such acts of violence / killing, if it helps to deter such senseless destructions of otherwise peaceful life in the land?

 

[Super7]

can't the terrorist draw cartoons and suan the French cartoonist instead... sibei violent leh

 

The only cartoons they can draw are splashes of blood and bullet holes

[macrosszero]

For the record, these folks not only make fun of Islam, but a whole lot of other religions from Christians to Jewish.

 

Imho, it's best not to mock and make fun of what you don't understand.

 

Yeah making fun of them at coffeshop talks or just passing a remark or even put a blog is one thing, publishing them on MSM papers and media is another.

 

They already got warnings and condemnation from the extremists, should have seen this coming.

 

But then France is a very liberal country, you can practically walk naked and no one cares.

 

I guess the cartoonists are living in a perceived comfort zone that they think nothing can touch them. And looks like terror came looking for them.

 

It's a sad day for freedom of speech.

 

Yes, and that's why I did not specifically say that they were singling out Islam for satire. They were out pushing everyone's buttons. Its a matter of time before someone reacted. I mean, you can jump into an enclosure full of tigers and annoy the heck out of them and all it takes is for one to attack and you're a goner.

[macrosszero]

How can the mutterings of a "non-believer" hurt your religion?

 

if it is a "true religion" how can what an idiot says about it hurt you?

 

How does what I say hurt your beliefs?

 

here's another thought - a priest spends a year without god - and becomes athiest

 

My personal belief is, if you need to "defend" your religion by killing or punishing those that don't hold the same beliefs, or those that "disrespect" it - you have bigger doubts than they do. If you are threatened by what an athiest / infidel / non-believer says, you are not secure in your own belief.

 

I don't claim to speak on behalf of anyone else on this - if only everyone had your beliefs then the world would be a much more peaceful place where everyone is secure in their faith and no one bothers about what anyone else is saying.

[Evillusion]

 

Yes, and that's why I did not specifically say that they were singling out Islam for satire. They were out pushing everyone's buttons. Its a matter of time before someone reacted. I mean, you can jump into an enclosure full of tigers and annoy the heck out of them and all it takes is for one to attack and you're a goner.

they would have been safer drawing satirical figures of tigers.....but no they go and press many buttons! Some people will want to die for their religion and others will want to die for fame and fortune. To each his own.