Sam7770 4th Gear November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 (edited) 2s gap only works if the driver is concentrating on driving. If the driver is distracted, how much gap he leave also can get into accident. I never had a problem leaving 2s gap. Hardly get anyone cutting in and even if they do, I don't need to tap brakes also can continue to maintain a 2s gap. Good points. Advanced drivers use their brakes much less than others on the expressway, they have good throttle awareness and can accommodate other drivers. http://youtu.be/aVFlTktoHzI Vid shows a near miss I witnessed yesterday on the AYE, not very exciting I know, but lots to learn I think. Unfortunately I'm preaching to the converted here - those who need educating don't ever analyse their driving - ignorance is bliss until it isn't. The Lexus driver I think will be cursing the car that braked without learning anything about how he contributed to the situation. Same goes for the tailgater behind the Lexus. Just another day on the expressways. Edited November 12, 2014 by Sam7770 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanK Supercharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 Good points. Advanced drivers use their brakes much less than others on the expressway, they have good throttle awareness and can accommodate other drivers. http://youtu.be/aVFlTktoHzI Vid shows a near miss I witnessed yesterday on the AYE, not very exciting I know, but lots to learn I think. Unfortunately I'm preaching to the converted here - those who need educating don't ever analyse their driving - ignorance is bliss until it isn't. The Lexus driver I think will be cursing the car that braked without learning anything about how he contributed to the situation. Same goes for the tailgater behind the Lexus. Just another day on the expressways. To be fair, the Camry(?) behind the Lexus wasn't exactly tailgating. Both were picking up speed until the Sunny decide to jam on the brakes for no apparent reason, other than "kua tio gui". From my perspective, I would have been the Lexus driver because in that vehicle height, the driver sees further and make decisions based on the longer distance seen. So, the Sunny had no reason to even brake due to extremely clear traffic in front of him. And that Sunny's behavior was what I was referring to earlier on - incompetent, extremely liberal use of brakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyBlade Internal Moderator November 12, 2014 Author Share November 12, 2014 In some parts of Singapore...... Poor uncle. Think he jammed too much on his front brakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathchild156 2nd Gear November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 In some parts of Singapore...... Poor uncle. Think he jammed too much on his front brakes. Randy Mamola trade mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxilplix Turbocharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 Does nobody see the traffic slow down and bunch up in front of the sunny? And the faceplant bicycle dude, laffo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam7770 4th Gear November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 To be fair, the Camry(?) behind the Lexus wasn't exactly tailgating. Both were picking up speed until the Sunny decide to jam on the brakes for no apparent reason, other than "kua tio gui". From my perspective, I would have been the Lexus driver because in that vehicle height, the driver sees further and make decisions based on the longer distance seen. So, the Sunny had no reason to even brake due to extremely clear traffic in front of him. And that Sunny's behavior was what I was referring to earlier on - incompetent, extremely liberal use of brakes. I think you've missed the entire point! Nothing personal, I'll try to do better with my education efforts. Hopefully others understand the points I'm making. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfaye29 Turbocharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 The sunny is the type of drivers i hate most. They cruise normally, but they check their rear view all the time. When they see a fast car approaching, they purposely jam brake or slow down to prevent the car from going faster. The faster car in blocked becos the sunny disallow overtaking or undertake by matching the speed of the car by their sides. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanK Supercharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 Does nobody see the traffic slow down and bunch up in front of the sunny? And the faceplant bicycle dude, laffo. Have. But should brake to slow down (brake in gradual slowing of speed), not immediate brake to stop. Moreover, still have 3 cars distance in front of him, why need to brake until so hard when the vehicles are slowing down, instead of coming to immediate stop? Sorry lah... I don't understand the rationale behind the Sunny's action. I think you've missed the entire point! Nothing personal, I'll try to do better with my education efforts. Hopefully others understand the points I'm making. Ya, bro, sorry, judging from your reply I confirm chop missed your point. Maybe you can put it more straight forward to me. I do applaud your effort and vision in that video. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzy Twincharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 To be fair, the Camry(?) behind the Lexus wasn't exactly tailgating. Both were picking up speed until the Sunny decide to jam on the brakes for no apparent reason, other than "kua tio gui". From my perspective, I would have been the Lexus driver because in that vehicle height, the driver sees further and make decisions based on the longer distance seen. So, the Sunny had no reason to even brake due to extremely clear traffic in front of him. And that Sunny's behavior was what I was referring to earlier on - incompetent, extremely liberal use of brakes. Think the lexus driver was not paying attention to the road ahead. He had such a big gap and took so long to react. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzy Twincharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 (edited) Have. But should brake to slow down (brake in gradual slowing of speed), not immediate brake to stop. Moreover, still have 3 cars distance in front of him, why need to brake until so hard when the vehicles are slowing down, instead of coming to immediate stop? Sorry lah... I don't understand the rationale behind the Sunny's action. In the video the sunny look like he never brake very hard to me. Just that he leave a big gap only. Compared to the cam car's speed, the sunny looks like he was slowing down gradually but leaving a big gap. More like the lexus driver distracted. Sunny brake lights on before the lexus passed the cam car but the lexus driver only started braking at the last minute after such a long time. Edited November 12, 2014 by Nzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxilplix Turbocharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 Have. But should brake to slow down (brake in gradual slowing of speed), not immediate brake to stop. Moreover, still have 3 cars distance in front of him, why need to brake until so hard when the vehicles are slowing down, instead of coming to immediate stop? Sorry lah... I don't understand the rationale behind the Sunny's action. Because we have luxury of hindsight and video replys. The sunny driver was in a fluid situation and had to make split second decisions. The situation was still fluid and things could have gone a few different ways 1) traffic suddenly stops completely for whatever reason (which usually leads to low speed rear-enders because people don't seem to consider this possibility), 2) traffic keeps crawling at the new slow speed, 3) traffic picks up speed again after the sudden slowdown or 4) some variation of the above. I'm sure most of us have encountered all of the above scenarios. The situation occurred because the lexus driver was not paying attention (see how late he reacted) and not looking far ahead. I don't think the sunny driver needs to be vilified for leaving himself some following distance in a situation that was still playing out. It's not his fault people assume the car in front of them must bring themselves to within a car length (or some other arbitrary figure) of the traffic ahead when they slow down. It's not like he did an emergency brake and brought his car to a complete stop in the middle of a clear expressway with no hazard in sight. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanK Supercharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 I understand the point that you guys are putting forth. The Lexus driver was definitely not on the ball when coming up from behind the Sunny. To me, the way the Sunny jerked when braking means a very hard step on the brakes. Thanks for pointing out your views clearly to me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 hahahahaha bicycle faceplant 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam7770 4th Gear November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 I understand the point that you guys are putting forth. The Lexus driver was definitely not on the ball when coming up from behind the Sunny. To me, the way the Sunny jerked when braking means a very hard step on the brakes. Thanks for pointing out your views clearly to me! Yes, there's no doubt what the Sunny did was unexpectedly sudden - not sure why they did that, I doubt they checked their mirrors either. But the Lexus and the following car should not have been caught out, their approach speed was out of line. The video can't really tell the whole story of course. I was not happy with some of the tailgating going on in lane 1 and had decided to chill out in lane 2 as my exit was soon and then the roadworks were signed and I sensed congestion ahead. The Lexus then had a long animated discussion with the car behind him (when they were side by side later) and the Lexus driver was apologetic to me, but I think he put it all down to the Sunny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighttales 5th Gear November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 (edited) Does nobody see the traffic slow down and bunch up in front of the sunny? And the faceplant bicycle dude, laffo. IMO, he left an abnormally large gap in front of him.. honestly sometimes i "predict" other cars too much. so much so that when the car does something out of the ordinary, i will will have to react quickly. like for example when approaching a red traffic light, i'd assume the car in front of me would leave a decent sized gap of maybe 1/3 car length so from there i'd estimate my braking distance and modulate my braking respectively. but then when i meet those who stop 1 car length away (those that stop damnnn far away and then slowly roll forward every 5 seconds) from the front car, then i'd have to brake harder than i thought i would have to due to the "weird" distance that the car left in front of him. so yes, to me, i think the sunny left too big a gap in front of him. but the lexus driver also dreaming.. never take advantage of his higher vantage point to look further ahead on a less serious note, go replay the video at 0.16 onwards.. listen intently to the audio.. the sunny driver was actually telling the lexus driver something via the radio Edited November 12, 2014 by Eighttales 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfaye29 Turbocharged November 12, 2014 Share November 12, 2014 In a same situation as the sunny driver (my gap wun usually be so large to start with), if there was a faster car approaching and i can see n sense it, i will tap my brakes 2 times to warn that the traffic ahead of me is slow. I will not jam to the sunny's extend. The sunny's reaction was too exaggerated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins1dious Turbocharged November 13, 2014 Share November 13, 2014 In a same situation as the sunny driver (my gap wun usually be so large to start with), if there was a faster car approaching and i can see n sense it, i will tap my brakes 2 times to warn that the traffic ahead of me is slow. I will not jam to the sunny's extend. The sunny's reaction was too exaggerated. I don't think its necessary to warn the car behind that traffic ahead is slow. It's not like he is going to fly over your car. You've kept your 2 or 3s distance. And when the traffic slows down, ease up on the throttle so you slow down normally... or use the brakes to slow down faster. Tapping the brake may only aggravate him as he might misunderstand your good intention. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beehive3783 Turbocharged November 13, 2014 Share November 13, 2014 Well I hate farkers like the Nissan driver who deliberately leave such a huge gap when braking. People like him/her cause a lot of problems especially during morning rush hour. They should either be in lane 3 or should be shot. Does nobody see the traffic slow down and bunch up in front of the sunny? And the faceplant bicycle dude, laffo. There are plenty of idiots who can't or don't bother to drive properly like the Nissan driver. Yes, there's no doubt what the Sunny did was unexpectedly sudden - not sure why they did that, I doubt they checked their mirrors either. But the Lexus and the following car should not have been caught out, their approach speed was out of line. The video can't really tell the whole story of course. I was not happy with some of the tailgating going on in lane 1 and had decided to chill out in lane 2 as my exit was soon and then the roadworks were signed and I sensed congestion ahead. The Lexus then had a long animated discussion with the car behind him (when they were side by side later) and the Lexus driver was apologetic to me, but I think he put it all down to the Sunny. ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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