Hwa Chong to design its own workshops in future

[Camrysfa]

In particular, she took issue with a booklet distributed during the workshop, which she said ”seemed to emphasise and enforce traditional gender roles in a relationship”.

Dr Hon did not comment on the contents of the booklet in his letter, saying only that it was a “source of unhappiness”.

 

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/hwa-chong-design-its-own-workshops-future

 

 

SINGAPORE — Following feedback from a student that a workshop on managing relationships was sexist in content, Hwa Chong Institution (HCI) said it plans to design its own workshops in the future.

 

In a letter to students and teachers yesterday — a copy of which was seen by TODAY — HCI principal Hon Chiew Weng said the school had concluded its internal investigation into the complaint and found that the facilitators of the workshop in question were ineffective in addressing the participants’ concerns.

 

Earlier this week, HCI student Agatha Tan set off a wave of controversy with a Facebook post on her concerns about the workshop conducted by Focus on the Family Singapore, a vendor appointed by the Ministry for Social and Family Development (MSF).

 

In particular, she took issue with a booklet distributed during the workshop, which she said ”seemed to emphasise and enforce traditional gender roles in a relationship”.

Dr Hon did not comment on the contents of the booklet in his letter, saying only that it was a “source of unhappiness”.

 

He pointed out that the feedback from the students was that one facilitator in particular was unable to address their concerns “satisfactorily” when several of them objected to viewpoints that had been raised during a discussion.

 

The workshop, one of several on managing relationships, was held for the HCI students last week.

Students who attended a similar workshop held in another venue were happy and the facilitators were professional and qualified their claims, added Dr Hon.

 

These facilitators recognised that the views put forth in class were generalisations that do not apply to everyone and when referring to controversial viewpoints, they were open to alternative explanations and perspectives, he added.

 

He added that the school had previously used the vendor’s services and the students’ feedback had been positive.

[Ktglfc]

The student was not satisfied that a woman is deemed to have a traditional gender roles in a relationship. Likely she wants equal rights.

 

She can say now, but in future, when she have a family, have kids, she will likely devote much time in taking care of the kids... unless, she wants the hubby to be in the house all the time...

 

Anyway, Aware haven't come out to say anything...

 

Want equal rights? Then abolish the Woman Chapter lor...

As long as there is Woman's Chapter, there will never be equal rights, and these woman must understand that.

You cannot have the best of both worlds.

[Voodooman]

Why are pur public institutions using Focus on the Family to promote what is "traditional" in our society? It is not even a universal values.

 

From Wikipedia....

 

Focus on the Family's stated mission is "nurturing and defending the God-ordained institution of the family and promoting biblical truths worldwide." It promotes abstinence-only sexual education; adoption by married, opposite-sex parents; creationism; school prayer; and traditional gender roles. It opposes abortion; divorce; gambling; LGBT rights, particularly LGBT adoption and same-sex marriage; pornography; pre-marital sex; and substance abuse. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and social scientists have criticized Focus on the Family for misrepresenting their research to bolster FOTF's political agenda and ideology.

[Camrysfa]

Why are pur public institutions using Focus on the Family to promote what is "traditional" in our society? It is not even a universal values.

 

From Wikipedia....

 

Focus on the Family's stated mission is "nurturing and defending the God-ordained institution of the family and promoting biblical truths worldwide." It promotes abstinence-only sexual education; adoption by married, opposite-sex parents; creationism; school prayer; and traditional gender roles. It opposes abortion; divorce; gambling; LGBT rights, particularly LGBT adoption and same-sex marriage; pornography; pre-marital sex; and substance abuse. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and social scientists have criticized Focus on the Family for misrepresenting their research to bolster FOTF's political agenda and ideology.

 

wondering,,,,,, is the unhappiness due to this?

 

long article, read all in the link.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/10/no-means-yes-singapore-drops-sex-ed-program-after-student-complaint.html

 

Singapore will stop using a sexual education program, run by a support group promoting Christian values, after the school's students and others posted photos of the course's pamphlet online.

 

 

Scans from the pamphlet, titled It's UNcomplicated and produced by Focus on the Family's Singapore chapter, include lines such as "No means yes? Yes means no?" that have been criticized as sexist and promoting rape culture.

A two-page spread shows a comparison chart of "If she says...She really means" with "interpretations," suggesting for example that if a woman says "Do I look fat?" she really means, "Tell me I'm beautiful."

Meanwhile, the opposite page for men says that what "he says" is always the same as what "he really means."

Program promotes bigotry, sexism and rape culture, says student

[Jellandross]

 

Actually these examples looked pretty accurate to me. I showed my wife and she agrees. Many of her girl friends behave exactly like these "she says" examples. But of course, if a girl fits into this type of behavioral profile, reading this would be like a rude slap to her face. It's like telling a road hogger to his face that he is really a nuisance to others. There will be hell to pay for whoever dare to write such blasphemy!

 

Not following this topic too closely but I assume the complainant here is a woman?

Edited October 12, 2014 by Jellandross

[Jungus]

 

Actually these examples looked pretty accurate to me. I showed my wife and she agrees. Many of her girl friends behave exactly like these "she says" examples. But of course, if a girl fits into this type of behavioral profile, reading this would be like a rude slap to her face. It's like telling a road hogger to his face that he is really a nuisance to others. There will be hell to pay for whoever dare to write such blasphemy!

 

Not following this topic too closely but I assume the complainant here is a woman?

Your wife has experience and maturity. Which is way more than what the complainant probably has...

[Shibadog]

 

Actually these examples looked pretty accurate to me. I showed my wife and she agrees. Many of her girl friends behave exactly like these "she says" examples. But of course, if a girl fits into this type of behavioral profile, reading this would be like a rude slap to her face. It's like telling a road hogger to his face that he is really a nuisance to others. There will be hell to pay for whoever dare to write such blasphemy!

 

Not following this topic too closely but I assume the complainant here is a woman?

 

 

actually I would have thought these two pages were plagiarised fm some kind of comedy/joke section, where it's funny bcos it is quite true. (those guys vs gals type of jokes.)

 

the other pages however...

[Jellandross]

 

 

actually I would have thought these two pages were plagiarised fm some kind of comedy/joke section, where it's funny bcos it is quite true. (those guys vs gals type of jokes.)

 

the other pages however...

 

I also read that men tends to, how shall I say it, think with our penis more than our brain in certain scenarios. I find it pretty hilarious and at the same time quite true. I wonder if it's somethng wrong with me coz I don't seemed offended and compelled to write in to the authorities to demand a stop to this ridiculous stereotype of men.

 

I didnt have a chance to read the other contents. But I heard this is developed by people/organization with "traditional Christian value" so I can imagine how interesting those content will be.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Jellandross

[Sosaria]

I guess nothing is absolute and you can't pigeon-hole people into traditional gender roles these days.

 

Usually the gender roles are more blurred these days with husbands also sharing the household chores and women earning as much if not more than their hubbies.

 

Traditional gender roles are generally maintained only when the wife is less educated or a house-wife

[Shibadog]

 

I also read that men tends to, how shall I say it, think with our penis more than our brain in certain scenarios. I find it pretty hilarious and at the same time quite true. I wonder if it's somethng wrong with me coz I don't seemed offended and compelled to write in to the authorities to demand a stop to this ridiculous stereotype of men.

 

I didnt have a chance to read the other contents. But I heard this is developed by people/organization with "traditional Christian value" so I can imagine how interesting those content will be.

 

 

ah I knew we had a thread on this same issue albeit with a different title. I saw the other photos in this thread

 

http://www.mycarforum.com/topic/2696318-sexist-workshop-focus-on-the-family-approved-by-moe/

[Jamesc]

 

I also read that men tends to, how shall I say it, think with our penis more than our brain in certain scenarios. I find it pretty hilarious and at the same time quite true. I wonder if it's somethng wrong with me coz I don't seemed offended and compelled to write in to the authorities to demand a stop to this ridiculous stereotype of men.

 

I didnt have a chance to read the other contents. But I heard this is developed by people/organization with "traditional Christian value" so I can imagine how interesting those content will be.

 

So its "traditional Christian value" that men think with their penis?

 

This is what they teach in Christian churches?

 

What is there to be offended then?

 

It must be God's words and who are we to argue with them.

 

It is after all "developed by people/organisation with "traditional Christian value"

 

and I respect all religions.

 

[Fcw75]

 

Actually these examples looked pretty accurate to me. I showed my wife and she agrees. Many of her girl friends behave exactly like these "she says" examples. But of course, if a girl fits into this type of behavioral profile, reading this would be like a rude slap to her face. It's like telling a road hogger to his face that he is really a nuisance to others. There will be hell to pay for whoever dare to write such blasphemy!

 

Not following this topic too closely but I assume the complainant here is a woman?

Because they cannot handle the truth.

[Voodooman]

 

So its "traditional Christian value" that men think with their penis?

 

 

That is universal value, not just Christian value. hahaha....

[Jellandross]

That is universal value, not just Christian value. hahaha....

<Hollywood movie trailer voiceover> It is a primary directive of all males to ensure the continuous existence of the human race *play grand symphony music*

[Joseph22]

This is more of a result found through years of research. Traditional Christian value teach to restrain this urge.

 

 

So its "traditional Christian value" that men think with their penis?

 

This is what they teach in Christian churches?

 

What is there to be offended then?

 

It must be God's words and who are we to argue with them.

 

It is after all "developed by people/organisation with "traditional Christian value"

 

and I respect all religions.

 

[Kusje]

I guess nothing is absolute and you can't pigeon-hole people into traditional gender roles these days.

 

Usually the gender roles are more blurred these days with husbands also sharing the household chores and women earning as much if not more than their hubbies.

 

Traditional gender roles are generally maintained only when the wife is less educated or a house-wife

 

Actually, the dynamics between a couple should solely be between the couple. If a couple is comfortable with a more "traditional" role then why should someone else come in and tell them it is wrong and that there should be more equality?

 

Just the other day, I read an article (I think it was in ST) that claims it is abuse if I tell my wife to do the housework and if I control who she meets and how often she meets them.

 

Well, I immediately called my wife over to read the article and we had a good laugh over it.

[Icemaiden]

Not exactly accurate. Some women are capable of meaning yes when they say yes and no when they say no. It's very dangerous to spread this type of message. It's trying to say if a woman say no to sex, it actually means yes because women always lie. Many women are capable of keeping time and being punctual and 5 minutes does not mean 30 minutes. Maybe your wife and her friends behave this way but I'm sure there are other women who can keep time and mean what they say, not only at home but at the work place as well. This can be quite insulting to the general female population because after all, there are women who do not lie and mean what they say. And "sure go ahead" means "I don't want to"? What kind of education is this?

 

 

 

Actually these examples looked pretty accurate to me. I showed my wife and she agrees. Many of her girl friends behave exactly like these "she says" examples. But of course, if a girl fits into this type of behavioral profile, reading this would be like a rude slap to her face. It's like telling a road hogger to his face that he is really a nuisance to others. There will be hell to pay for whoever dare to write such blasphemy!

 

Not following this topic too closely but I assume the complainant here is a woman?

 

[Jamesc]

This is more of a result found through years of research. Traditional Christian value teach to restrain this urge.

 

 

This is what I have been saying for years.

Sex before marriage is very bad.

 

Please learn from my mistake and hopefully kids

don't have to suffer like I did.

I had sex before the wedding at ROM and I was very late.

 

It was so embarrassing that everyone was at the ROM waiting

for me and soon to be wife.

 

Better to save it for a few hours later on the wedding night

after the dinner.

 

For some Christians using condoms are a sin. I respect that too.

Those things are evil and invented by the devil.

 

Edited October 13, 2014 by Jamesc