BPL 14/15 - Let the Drama Begin

[Osprey23]

 

I think such DoF/Mgr structure will give the club some improved stability on the long term. It will avoid the titantic transitions when the mgr is sacked and ensure some forms of structure and alignment to longer terms plans.

 

if we sack BR today, the club will be in no-man lands. much of the mgmt activities are no longer performed locally but outsourced to the American executive team. there's only a transfer committee in place but the entire club will be sort of rudderless. perhaps this is the reason FSG is still dragging their feet at the trigger. another reason might be that they may not get a suitable replacement.

Mike Gordon is running the show here bro.

 

I believed they have learnt from the last sacking. They sacked KD without a suitable candidate secured. Ended up the pressure is back on them to get in a someone quickly to get things going.

 

Lets wait till all the leagues coming to the end this weekend. Next week should have some news

[Osprey23]

 

was BR employed as a manager or head coach? secondly, if he now cannot work with the players that he has not chosen, what makes you think the new DOF will work? Is it because you feel the new DOF will be able to identify what BR wants?

 

Just curious

BR is our manager who has limited say in transfer. That was the compromise FSG and BR came to when BR refused a DoF. So FSG let him be the main man but to safeguard against mindless splashing on transfers, they have this committee to vote on targets, whereby BR despite being the manager, might not get his preferred choice if the majority of the committee disagree with his choice.

 

DoF is not the silver bullet that will solve all problem. He will still need the Head Coach to bring the best out of the players he signed to make the system work. If BR cannot be the man, someone else will take over.

 

Wenger is a rare find, to be able to spot talents and grow them. If we cannot find another Wenger, we need to get one DoF to spot talents (eg Monchi) and a head coach to make them into a team (eg, Klopp)

[Galantspeedz]

BR is our manager who has limited say in transfer. That was the compromise FSG and BR came to when BR refused a DoF. So FSG let him be the main man but to safeguard against mindless splashing on transfers, they have this committee to vote on targets, whereby BR despite being the manager, might not get his preferred choice if the majority of the committee disagree with his choice.

 

DoF is not the silver bullet that will solve all problem. He will still need the Head Coach to bring the best out of the players he signed to make the system work. If BR cannot be the man, someone else will take over.

 

Wenger is a rare find, to be able to spot talents and grow them. If we cannot find another Wenger, we need to get one DoF to spot talents (eg Monchi) and a head coach to make them into a team (eg, Klopp)

 

just wondering.... when the committee disagree with the targets.... is it because of the player or the price....... i

[Bacteria83]

 

BR got no choice. If I were him, I would also agree with this structure after the season they just had.

Either he agrees or he goes, so naturally he agreed but I doubt if he genuinely agrees and it could work to the detriment of the club if what I say is true.

Anyway, why the persistence to stick to him? The conspiracy theorist in me feels that it could be due to FSG not willing to pay the severance package although obviously I don't have proof on this.

 

As for the players, they won't give a damn on this structure or otherwise cos they will be taking instructions from the Coach/Mgr in most situations, so don't think it will make a major diff to them.

It's the Coach/Mgr that is affected in this structure.

Dont think FSG keep BR because of the compensation he may get, they are successful businessman surely they understand success on the field will bring them much more money then keeping BR.

 

Seem like they willing to give BR half a season more to prove himself again, due to the lost of two key memebers suarez and DS.

[Hamburger]

Dont think FSG keep BR because of the compensation he may get, they are successful businessman surely they understand success on the field will bring them much more money then keeping BR.

 

Seem like they willing to give BR half a season more to prove himself again, due to the lost of two key memebers suarez and DS.

 

dressing room imo is lost.

 

there is no way back for rogers ......i hope

[Bacteria83]

 

dressing room imo is lost.

 

there is no way back for rogers ......i hope

From the last game it seem like the players no longer have faith in him. If the news which reported senior members telling sterling should leave is to be believe. We need a change of manager fast.

 

Its very hard for players to perform if they think their mgr is clueless.

[Spring]

Let's just wait and see bro. Don't be too affected by the reports now. No one knows for sure BR won't be sacked as review not done yet.

 

Need to see the similarity. 2 days before KD was sacked, Warner came out to say his job is safe. Then they attended the award night and KD flew to Boston the next day to receive his termination letter. All major news outlets are fed by the club and at this point, club will tell them his position is safe as FSG is keeping it silent.

 

Agreed that it's all speculation now. And yes I remembered the KD sacking.

Anyway, I still feel it's DoF + his choice of coach but NO DoF + BR!!

[Spring]

Dont think FSG keep BR because of the compensation he may get, they are successful businessman surely they understand success on the field will bring them much more money then keeping BR.

 

Seem like they willing to give BR half a season more to prove himself again, due to the lost of two key memebers suarez and DS.

 

I hope so that this is merely a conspiracy theory for the club's sake and will be glad to be proven wrong, we shall see.........

[Spring]

 

just wondering.... when the committee disagree with the targets.... is it because of the player or the price....... I

 

I also wonder.......

 

But don't be too happy hor, in Gunner's case they don't have this problem cos the kiam kana Wenger doesn't have a committee to wrangle with and even if he does, he's even more stingy than anyone at the club if price is the issue

[Osprey23]

 

just wondering.... when the committee disagree with the targets.... is it because of the player or the price....... i

Value and potential.

 

Ashley Willams 28yo £15m vs Sakho 23yo £17m

Bertrand 24yo £8m vs Moreno 21yo £12m

 

The above 2 are the known examples of how BR's choice was gunned down and not because they are more expansive

[Galantspeedz]

 

I also wonder.......

 

But don't be too happy hor, in Gunner's case they don't have this problem cos the kiam kana Wenger doesn't have a committee to wrangle with and even if he does, he's even more stingy than anyone at the club if price is the issue

 

kiam kana spend $100m pounds this season alone..... net loss $88m pounds...... this is why I say mindset hard to change..... which is good so we will hardly kena carrot

 

http://www.cityam.com/208266/arsenal-transfer-spend-tops-100m-and-smashes-previous-record-following-gabriel-paulista

 

Arsene Wenger put it best when he explained last month:

Those periods we did not spend we did not have the money. What I don't like is to spend money we haven't got.

What I fought against is to spend money that would put the future of the club in danger. Now I have money, no problem at all.

Value and potential.

 

Ashley Willams 28yo £15m vs Sakho 23yo £17m

Bertrand 24yo £8m vs Moreno 21yo £12m

 

The above 2 are the known examples of how BR's choice was gunned down and not because they are more expansive

 

means experience is undermined........... same mistake arsenal did initially

[Osprey23]

Sampdoria confirm they want to sign Mario Balotelli from Liverpool. It is thought the Reds are happy to off-load the striker. [bBC]

[Osprey23]

 

means experience is undermined........... same mistake arsenal did initially

being young does not mean no experience. Sakho is made captain at PSG at age 17 and already a full International with France. Six years of top flight league experience. Moreno broke into the first team at age 20 and won the Europa Cup with Sevilla.

 

But you can say they are not PL proven, unlike Lovren.

Edited May 27, 2015 by Osprey23

[Galantspeedz]

being young does not mean no experience. Sakho is made captain at PSG at age 17 and already a full International with France. Six years of top flight league experience. Moreno broke into the first team at age 20 and won the Europa Cup with Sevilla.

 

But you can say they are not PL proven, unlike Lovren.

 

I guess experience got a few different types... one is to buck up when chips are down... or to calm the other players down when kanjiong spider

[Spring]

 

Arsene Wenger put it best when he explained last month:

Those periods we did not spend we did not have the money. What I don't like is to spend money we haven't got.

What I fought against is to spend money that would put the future of the club in danger. Now I have money, no problem at all.

 

 

Fair point and agreed clubs should not be spending future money like Leeds.

 

That said, I think there is more than meets the eye here. My understanding is that Arsenal did have money available albeit much less than now. Wenger refused to spend cos he had the self-belief on bringing in youngsters from the Academy which is his forte but let's be honest, how many of the youngsters actually realized their potential?

 

Don't get me wrong, clubs have a fiduciary duty to bring in home grown players where possible but you need a mix with the experienced ones to make a strong team. Can't be always buying players but you can't depend on the academy always esp in a tough league like the EPL.

 

Admittedly, Wenger is spending more now but I'm not sure if he's conveniently hiding behind the fact that they are financially better off now or was it cos he realised his folly during the long barren run where even the Emirates faithful turned against him??

[Osprey23]

I guess experience got a few different types... one is to buck up when chips are down... or to calm the other players down when kanjiong spider

Agree. Sakho so far has no issue but Moreno is finding a hard time to settle. Very tough for a young LB to focus on his job and at the same time, still have to keep a look out for the space vacated by the LCB.

Edited May 27, 2015 by Osprey23

[Osprey23]

Now I am starting to dislike Spurs

 

Tottenham are set to make a £12m bid for Burnley striker Danny Ings. (Source: Sky Sports' Sources)

 

Burnley can accept the bid if they want to and down to player if he wants a move.

 

Even if Ings rejects it, this bid will have impact on the compensation set by the tribunal later for Pool to pay.

[Si4dr]

Now I am starting to dislike Spurs

 

Tottenham are set to make a £12m bid for Burnley striker Danny Ings. (Source: Sky Sports' Sources)

 

Burnley can accept the bid if they want to and down to player if he wants a move.

 

Even if Ings rejects it, this bid will have impact on the compensation set by the tribunal later for Pool to pay.

 

I tot Pool is Spurs free scout? Started from Sigurdson