Vega Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 I only have 2 words for this thread : F*** Putin crazy ivan!! ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super7 Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 His body attracts gay lovers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super7 Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Ha ha... now a lot of armchair pilots come out and criticise why SIA continue to use that route even after the conflict started. Need to bear in mind that that airlines overfly conflict zones all over the world, not just in ukraine... as someone mentioned, syria and the turbulent mid-east region, and afghanistan as well are regularly overflown by commercial flights. Unless there is an impending huge air raid that's being planned, or an official war being declared between nations, e.g. as in Iraq during 1st and 2nd gulf war, there will not be a complete closure of airspace. In low-level "unofficial" conflicts like in the ukraine, there may be cautionary notes of a "for info" nature... whether this is sufficient to trigger reaction from the airline, who knows? Now many experts say SIA should have avoided the route, it's all 20-20 hindsight. Armchair or not, airlines customers deserve transparency of information on the degree of risks the airlines (including SIA) take in their selection of air passage/route, especially customers who value their life. I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Twincharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 (edited) More of asking why SIA has not re-routed when advisories are issued and other airlines have taken heed. Who made the decision to stick to the Ukraine route? There is apparently no clear wrong doing here but at least someone should stand out and explain why he made the decision and if it is related to cost issue. This way, there is transparency in how SIA makes such call and there might be improvements made in future regarding such decisions instead of waiting for the next disaster to hit, then cry over spill milk. Just speculating here, but I think no such "decision" have to be made. The flight path through ukraine is a great circle route, and definitely will be one of the routes generated by flight planners as part of a batch of company approved routes. I guess the problem would be more of inaction, i.e. business as usual, flying along the same given route, which is natural to expect since the airspace was not closed above 32000 ft (?) A computer would decide okay, this route is still allowable since there are no limitations at altitudes above that. His body attracts gay lovers This is one tough-guy president / prime minister (he alternates between the posts because russian constitution limits the presidential term... and when he holds one post, the other is occupied by a 'puppet' seat-warmer ) He is reportedly a judo expert and rose from the ranks of the KGB, russian secret service. Definitely not scholar type... Edited July 19, 2014 by Sosaria Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Twincharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 crazy ivan!! Those old enough to remember that IBM PC game "Ancient Art of War" , there was a character / AI opponent called "Crazy Ivan"... he was the lowest level opponent, with erratic tactics and easiest to defeat. The tougher ones were Genghis Khan and Sun Tzu himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2BDriver Hypersonic July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Lucky I had to deal with only one bear. What's gonna happen to all the salmon if there are more! Our resident big bear loves honey, salmon are safe and will out growth human being populations 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeshe Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Those old enough to remember that IBM PC game "Ancient Art of War" , there was a character / AI opponent called "Crazy Ivan"... he was the lowest level opponent, with erratic tactics and easiest to defeat. The tougher ones were Genghis Khan and Sun Tzu himself. haha.. one of my favorite. got alexander and caesar also if i dun remember wrongly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camrysfa Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Armchair or not, airlines customers deserve transparency of information on the degree of risks the airlines (including SIA) take in their selection of air passage/route, especially customers who value their life. I think. yeah, only those still around and ask that question! who wants to see another airline seat land on a sunflower field? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Supercharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Just speculating here, but I think no such "decision" have to be made. The flight path through ukraine is a great circle route, and definitely will be one of the routes generated by flight planners as part of a batch of company approved routes. I guess the problem would be more of inaction, i.e. business as usual, flying along the same given route, which is natural to expect since the airspace was not closed above 32000 ft (?) A computer would decide okay, this route is still allowable since there are no limitations at altitudes above that. This is one tough-guy president / prime minister (he alternates between the posts because russian constitution limits the presidential term... and when he holds one post, the other is occupied by a 'puppet' seat-warmer ) He is reportedly a judo expert and rose from the ranks of the KGB, russian secret service. Definitely not scholar type... yds, this Putin is no scholar like ours or even US presidents he's from the ground up, tough cookie. was in KGB, then FSB. he's trained as a secret agent, trained to kill without remorse. so I don't even trust the breath coming out of his mouth. anyway, most Russians don't like him and don't approve his invasion into Ukraine...... heard from some Russians that he's power hungry 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mllcg 3rd Gear July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Given the state of situation the Ex-Soviet Union states are in right now, the world is better off when they were under USSR. At least things were predictable and the KGB kept everyone under check. The world just had to deal with one unreasonable dude instead of 50 crazy dudes. some of the ex soviet states are also financially struggling now.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrosszero Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 I hope everyone, from the layperson to the senior statesman, be more discerning about the information we are being provided before accepting that as the truth. I'm not saying it wasn't the Russians, I'm not saying its the rebels or the Ukrainians either. The truth is, something in there stinks and no one is owning up, that's all. I only hope the truth can eventually come out and the families of the deceased have some closure. But to start firing missiles at suspected (but not confirmed) culprits would only cause the sacrifice of more innocents. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camrysfa Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 some of the ex soviet states are also financially struggling now.. Just to refresh . . . . USSR ceased to exist in 1991 and split into 15 republics. There were fifteen republics that made up the USSR. They were: •Armenian •Azerbaijan •Byelorussian •Estonian •Georgian •Kazakh •Kirghiz •Latvian •Lithuanian •Moldavian •Russian •Tajik •Turkmen •Ukrainian •Uzbek Those Fifteen new countries became independent with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Most of these countries declared independence a few months preceding the fall of the Soviet Union in late 1991. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super7 Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 yds, this Putin is no scholar like ours or even US presidents he's from the ground up, tough cookie. was in KGB, then FSB. he's .......trained to kill without remorse. so I don't even trust the breath coming out of his mouth.....he's power hungry Its a big mistake the Russians elected him to lead them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2BDriver Hypersonic July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 I hope everyone, from the layperson to the senior statesman, be more discerning about the information we are being provided before accepting that as the truth. I'm not saying it wasn't the Russians, I'm not saying its the rebels or the Ukrainians either. The truth is, something in there stinks and no one is owning up, that's all. I only hope the truth can eventually come out and the families of the deceased have some closure. But to start firing missiles at suspected (but not confirmed) culprits would only cause the sacrifice of more innocents. Now listening to CH8 news, a clip show on site reporter mentioned the rebels army smells drunkard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Given the state of situation the Ex-Soviet Union states are in right now, the world is better off when they were under USSR. At least things were predictable and the KGB kept everyone under check. The world just had to deal with one unreasonable dude instead of 50 crazy dudes. You dun have to worry about that. The current leaders of Russia are non other dan the top officers of the Soviet Union. Putin himself is a KGB officer for 16 years. Ask yourself, is there such a thing as an ex-KGB officer? These commie officers still run the show be it the country now is call Russia. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktglfc Hypersonic July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Now listening to CH8 news, a clip show on site reporter mentioned the rebels army smells drunkard. Saw it too just now... and the 2 black boxes are yet to be found. hope they are not stolen or hidden by the Ukraine or Russians.. Pls give some explanation and closure to the deceased's families.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bear Turbocharged July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 some of the ex soviet states are also financially struggling now.. Not those sitting comfortably on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2BDriver Hypersonic July 19, 2014 Share July 19, 2014 Its a big mistake the Russians elected him to lead them. They are communist, no one elect this Putin. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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