MAS Crashes in Ukraine - MH17

[Vid]

 

Can't judge a book by the cover. For instance this cutie:

 

ukraine cutie.jpg

 

is staunchly pro-Russian, and therefore pro-Putin, and therefore pro-"devil".

 

Forgive her?

 

She look so young that I might find myself becoming a paedophile [laugh]

[Si4dr]

 

Rather terse, but they do state they're not using Ukraine airspace.

 

Why they never state start from when? Most probably after...

[Hamburger]

papers have it that it might be the work of pro russian.

 

putin has a part to play?

[Kb27]

It's just on top of the search flights; a flipping news flash. Yup, rather terse, just say no longer using Ukraine airspace.

 

But, I reckon that they won't reveal publicly the exact new flight path also due to security reasons.

 

 

 

Why is flight path a secret ?

They are not carrying the President of the USA.

 

In fact, it should announced to the public, so everyone knows what is coming is a commercial flight, and please don't shoot me down.

[Flying_genie]

The SAM fired from the ground is colour blind - meaning it does not choose nationality, airplane type and size. It could easily be any airplane to have been stuck.

 

Many other airlines were still flying on that particular airway on that day, until the moment the SAM struck. It is a valid airway. Many airlines are still flying over Iran. Iraq and Afghanistan today. Many airlines fly over North Korea, Russia, China. Many airlines fly over the South China Sea, a large area of dispute. Nobody can avoid half the world.

 

Thoughts and prayers go out to those who lost loved ones. A sad day for the world indeed.

 

One can only hope that this event will not escalate the conflict into a world war. World War I was generally acknowledged to begin with the assassination of the Archduke of Austria. The death of 1 person started WWI, I sincerely hope this unnecessary death of hundreds will not bring about another world war.

[Kb27]

Does any airlines fly over Gaza ?

Trigger happy Hamas might score a hit.

[AhJason]

papers have it that it might be the work of pro russian.

 

putin has a part to play?

 

Go search on google for the name of that rebel. He's real life oo7 for the Russians.

[Camrysfa]

Below is the translation of alleged talking btw rebel and russian agent after the MH17 shooting:

 

 

According to a transcription of the video, provided by the Kyiv Post, the rebel tells the Russian intelligence, “We have just shot down a plane.” Later in the tape, one rebel, Greek, asks if there are weapons on board. Major responds: “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”

“Are there any documents?” Greek asks the other. “Yes. Of an Indonesian student from Thompson University. f**k.”

Here's the full translation of the video, provided by Kyiv Post:

After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo.

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. It's smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

“Major”

: These are Chernukhin folks shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Greek”

: Yes, Major.

"Major"

: The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

Greek

: Well, what do you have there?

Major

: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

Greek

: Are many people there?

Major

: Holy sh*t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

Greek

: What kind of aircraft?

Major

: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

Greek

: Is there anything left of the weapon?

Major

: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

Greek

: Are there documents?

Major

: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson. f**k.

In a final phone call, included later in the recording, a rebel checks in with a Cossack commander.

Rebel

: Regarding this plane that was downed in the Snizhne-Torez area. It turned out to be a passenger aircraft. It fell near Grabovo. A lot of bodies of women and children. Now the Cossacks are looking at all that.

Rebel

: The TV said it was AN-26. A Ukrainian cargo plane. But Malaysia Airlines is written on it. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Cossack commander

: It means they wanted to bring some spies to us. f**k them. They should not fly, we are at war here.

[1fast1]

Why they never state start from when? Most probably after...

Of course after. The SQ flight escaped being the target by 2min.

[1fast1]

Does any airlines fly over Gaza ?

Trigger happy Hamas might score a hit.

Terrorists comparing "high scores"?

[1fast1]

Cossack commander: It means they wanted to bring some spies to us. f**k them. They should not fly, we are at war here.

That f**king Cossack (and all who participated in firing the SAM) should be hung upside down by piano wire tied around his balls over a nest of fire ants.

[Happily1986]

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/07/mh17-flying-above-perceived-danger-level/ Malaysian Airlines MH17 flying above perceived danger level

Posted on July 18, 2014 by Aimee Turner

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New airspace closures in east Ukraine, from 26,000ft upwards, including routes converging on TAMAK waypoint

European aviation authorities are confirming that the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was flying 1,000 ft above what was judged to be dangerous airspace due to the ongoing conflict in the region.

Eurocontrol – the organisation charged with managing the European air transport network – said Flight MH17 had been travelling at Flight Level 330 – approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 feet – when it disappeared from radar.

“This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to Flight Level 320 but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying,” it said.

All 280 passengers and 15 crew members on board a Boeing 777-200 aircraft died in the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine, amid claims of a missile attack.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 just before it disappeared over Ukraine. Source: FlightRadar24

Malaysia Airlines said it had received notification from Ukrainian air traffic control that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from TAMAK waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border.

“Flight MH17 operated on a Boeing 777 departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm (Amsterdam local time) and was estimated to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 6.10 am (Malaysia local time) the next day,” it said.

TAMAK is the waypoint where the air routes L980 and L69 converge over the boundary between Dnipropetrovsk airspace in Ukraine and Rostov-on-Don airspace in Russia.

The aircraft which had been at cruise flight came down at Torez, near Shakhtersk, some 40 km (25 miles) from the Russia border. The area has been the scene of fighting between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels.

In a statement Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak said that according to information provided by Kiev air traffic control, the location of the aircraft’s emergency locator beacon is 48 degrees 7 minutes and 23 seconds North; 38 degrees 31 minutes and 33 seconds East.

He said that the aircraft’s flight route had been declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) and that no distress had been made by the flight crew.

There has been a tense stand-off for some time in the war of the airways between Ukraine and the Russia Federation over who controls flights in and out of Crimea.

Earlier this year, UN aviation agency ICAO insisted that the right to provide air navigation services in international airspace over the Black Sea within the Simferopol flight information region (FIR) belonged exclusively to Ukraine.

On April 3 European Aviation Safety Agency issued a safety bulletin – accompanied by recommendations from both ICAO and Eurocontrol which oversees the regional aviation network – that airspace controlled by the Simferopol FIR should be avoided as more than one air traffic control agency controlling flights within the same airspace could have serious safety implications.

The United States’ Federal Aviation Administration also issued a Notice to Airman (NOTAM) prohibiting US airlines to operate in the airspace over the Crimean region, adjacent to the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

It said the unilateral and illegal action by Russia to assert control over Crimean airspace created the potential for conflicting air traffic control instructions from Ukrainian and Russian authorities and for potential misidentification of civil aircraft.

Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko called the downing of Flight MH17 an act of terrorism and called for an international investigation into the crash.

In an official statement, the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation denied any involvement in the air crash: “One should pay attention to the fact that Boeing 777 was conducting the flight beyond the range of air defence systems of the Russian Federation. The aircraft was flying in the airspace of Ukraine, under the control of its air traffic management system.”

Eurocontrol said the Ukrainian authorities have now informed it of the closure of all routes ‘from the ground to unlimited’ in the Dnipropetrovsk FIR in Eastern Ukraine. “All flight plans that are filed using these routes are now being rejected by Eurocontrol. The routes will remain closed until further notice,” it said.

The FAA added that it was in contact with US carriers following the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 and confirmed that carriers have voluntarily agreed not operate in the airspace near the Russian-Ukraine border. “The FAA is monitoring the situation to determine whether further guidance is necessary,” it said.

That will have a severe impact on Europe-South East Asia flights as Nico Voorbach, president of the pilots organisation European Cockpit Association, pointed out: “The route flown by the lost Malaysian aircraft is the most common route for flights from Europe to South East Asia.”

It has been a route avoided by Australian carrier Qantas for several months as separatist fights in the region intensified. Prior to the conflict in Ukraine, there were about 300 to 400 daily flights over the region, although in recent months, that has fallen to around 100 a day. Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific said it had not flown over the area for some time while Singapore Airlines said it no longer used Ukrainian airspace.

Eurocontrol said a grouping of European air traffic control agencies called the European Aviation Crisis Coordination Cell is being activated to coordinate the response to the impact of the airspace closure.

[Porker]

Can our premium national carrier confirm that SIA were still over flying the Ukraine corridor prior to the incident? If they are, why have they not taken heed from other airlines to route their planes away from the war zone. If it had been our plane, heads will roll. This is a near miss incident. Someone should stand out and explain why. Why the blaring lack of informationa?

SIA said it NO LONGER uses the said airspace. No longer means they used to.

[Wt_know]

obviously la ... SQ351 was 25km 2mins behind MH17

 

SIA said it NO LONGER uses the said airspace. No longer means they used to.

[Heartbreakid]

How innocent... It's unbelievable really... Just like 911. Unspeakable really. RIP to the innocent victims.

[Vegas]

Can our premium national carrier confirm that SIA were still over flying the Ukraine corridor prior to the incident? If they are, why have they not taken heed from other airlines to route their planes away from the war zone. If it had been our plane, heads will roll. This is a near miss incident. Someone should stand out and explain why. Why the blaring lack of informationa?

dun quite understand heads will roll comment... here, only the working heads will roll, the atas heads nvr roll.

 

SQ should be flying over the area, when MH went down, the statement seems to be moving ahead, we will reroute

[1fast1]

Lots of HIV/AIDS researchers thought dead: http://www.nature.com/news/hiv-community-reels-from-losses-in-mh17-plane-tragedy-1.15584

[Camrysfa]

2mins is all it takes to separate life and death

 

 

i think airline "knew" the risk and military planes were shot down

but never .... never .... imagine ... civilian airplane can be shot down at 33,000 feets with extra 1,000 feets above 32,000 feets (safe to fly zone)

 

really never say never ... anything can happen ... why take the chance if there is alternative flight path

i think even airline raise their airfare due to detour ... passenger will still lan lan pay ... especially if all airline do the same

 

 

 

Poor thing MH17, RIP, to the BUK, 33,000ft is not difficult job . . .