July 2014 COE Biding

[L23]

  On 7/15/2014 at 1:33 AM, Enye said:

 

very high, able to to think differently from the masses

 

definitely ministerial calibre

 

I think can be PM or president liao lo...

[yo2020]

  On 7/14/2014 at 4:14 AM, yo2020 said:

no, it's based on Apr to Jun. normally, it's announced around 12-13 of the following mth. so expecting it today or tmr, latest.

mayb they hv forgotten abt it, must b the world cup...

ya, i suspect the dereg in Jun could b the highest of the year thus far. let see any news after lunch.

oh dear, in the past 3-4 yrs, the latest date they announced it was on the 15th! new record!!

[Picanto]

  On 7/15/2014 at 9:58 AM, yo2020 said:

oh dear, in the past 3-4 yrs, the latest date they announced it was on the 15th! new record!!

 

Could be bad news

That's why keep so long

[Throttle2]

  On 7/14/2014 at 3:02 PM, nazerath said:

Lol all in a mess, the 1.4 turbo Chevrolet is a cat b luxury car. Twisted.... Now the cc so small....need a lighter n smaller chassis to work, in the end less safe on the roads especially when compared to Malaysian cars.

 

Lta! If you wanna make people pay, at least focus on safety as a selling / deciding point. Do not disadvantage the people n make people downsize on the expense of safety, small = less safe because less metal between u n the collision.

 

 

This is going cost votes.

Wwooooohhhhooooo!

[Blackyv]

  On 7/15/2014 at 11:46 AM, Picanto said:

Could be bad news

That's why keep so long

Or maybe good news which could crash the coe when announced.... Hehehe

[Complexkid]

  On 7/15/2014 at 11:46 AM, Picanto said:

Could be bad news

That's why keep so long

 

I think LTA will anounce the next quota after July 2nd Bidding.

 

[Damienic]

  On 7/15/2014 at 11:46 AM, Picanto said:

Could be bad news

That's why keep so long

LTA is terribly occupied with the backlog in issuance of the homologation certificates recently. Hence could be why they were late in announcing the new COE quota.

[Bc75]

According to LTA website, they are suppose to update the monthly stats on the 12 of every month. Today is already the 15th day and still no news..

 

Judging by the dereg figures of Apr and May, I do not think there will be much quota increase for Aug-Oct period.

[Picanto]

  On 7/15/2014 at 12:22 PM, Complexkid said:

 

I think LTA will anounce the next quota after July 2nd Bidding.

 

Most probably they do not want the announcement to affect the 2nd Bidding for July

[Baal]

I don't quite understand them. bhp I believe refers to hp on the dyno/at the wheels, which is lta's requirement.

 

Wiki link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Gamma_engine suggest that the 1.6 MPI is either 128 or 130hp depending on whether its the G4FC or G4FG.

 

In this case, after transmission losses, esp if its auto, the 130hp is probably <110bhp. In this case, how to fail?

 

Even the 1.6 GDI (G4FD) rated at 138hp, will likely only kick out <120bhp.

 

In my readings on bikes/cars, I thought manufacturers usually over quote power/torque (and also butter up FC, kerbweight, etc...look good) rather then downplay it as good numbers sell.

 

So wasup?

 

a) They want to make it explicit that the '130' is at the wheels hence a 150hp car would also be Cat A?

 

b) They realized that Cars like K3, with the dimensions, features like 6AT, rear aircon was not as intended to stay in Cat A? And trying to 'fix' it?

 

c) Considering that Jazz 1.5 (118hp) may also get kicked out from Cat A, could it be that they are going to limit Cat A car's BHP to 2 figures (99bhp)?

 

d) If so, a 120hp car may or may not be in Cat A depending on the efficiency of its Tranny.

Eg, 4AT would pass, 6AT maybe, 6DCT fail.

[L23]

  On 7/16/2014 at 1:16 AM, Baal said:

I don't quite understand them. bhp I believe refers to hp on the dyno/at the wheels, which is lta's requirement.

 

Wiki link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Gamma_engine suggest that the 1.6 MPI is either 128 or 130hp depending on whether its the G4FC or G4FG.

 

In this case, after transmission losses, esp if its auto, the 130hp is probably <110bhp. In this case, how to fail?

 

Even the 1.6 GDI (G4FD) rated at 138hp, will likely only kick out <120bhp.

 

In my readings on bikes/cars, I thought manufacturers usually over quote power/torque (and also butter up FC, kerbweight, etc...look good) rather then downplay it as good numbers sell.

 

So wasup?

 

a) They want to make it explicit that the '130' is at the wheels hence a 150hp car would also be Cat A?

 

b) They realized that Cars like K3, with the dimensions, features like 6AT, rear aircon was not as intended to stay in Cat A? And trying to 'fix' it?

 

c) Considering that Jazz 1.5 (118hp) may also get kicked out from Cat A, could it be that they are going to limit Cat A car's BHP to 2 figures (99bhp)?

 

d) If so, a 120hp car may or may not be in Cat A depending on the efficiency of its Tranny.

Eg, 4AT would pass, 6AT maybe, 6DCT fail.

 

 

In short, please just pay more for your car.

End of story !

[Baal]

  On 7/16/2014 at 1:23 AM, L23 said:

In short, please just pay more for your car.

End of story !

 

If they really mean it when they say 130 is Bhp, then we will really pay more. It would somewhat be like extending Cat A to 1.8-2.0 NA power levels.

[nazerath]

Cat b coe is dropping, they need more in cat b than a.

 

Later remove open cat as it is a duplicate of cat b n due to "lackluster demand"

[Enye]

ST openly criticize LTA already

 

some heads gonna roll. hopefully the well protected scholar and not the usual low ranking scapegoat.

 

 

Why complicate the COE system even more?

130 hp power limit for Cat A too complex to implement

BY

SAMUEL EE

samuelee@sph.com.sg

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Witness the tangled web that is the certificate of entitlement (COE) system and how it has become even more complicated since February, when a power limit of 130 hp was adopted for the small-car category of COEs (that is, for cars with 1,600 cc engines or smaller) - PHOTO: ST

While the objective is thoroughly noble, the result has been less so, both for consumers and distributors.

[sINGAPORE]

IT IS safe to say the folks at the automotive policy and planning unit of the Land Transport Authority (LTA) won't be headhunted by Apple anytime soon - if only because the American company's core philosophy of elegant simplicity would be lost on them.

Witness the tangled web that is the certificate of entitlement (COE) system and how it has become even more complicated since February, when a power limit of 130 hp was adopted for the small-car category of COEs (that is, for cars with 1,600 cc engines or smaller).

The cap was added to the 24-year-old scheme that auctions off various categories of vehicle registration licences for social equity reasons - to ensure that Category A better serves mass-market car buyers, after worrying numbers of luxury models invaded Cat A in recent years, cornering the less expensive COEs.

While the objective is thoroughly noble, the result has been less so, both for consumers and distributors.

For distributors, the homologation process (for approving cars before they go on sale) that once took a maximum of three weeks is now anywhere from 2-4 months; there is no certainty on exactly how long it will take.

For consumers, the delay means the new model they were eyeing may not arrive in time to replace their ageing rides; they may have to settle for something older and less advanced - even though they are already paying 3-4 times more than what that same car costs in another country.

But why has the approval process been extended in the first place? One amusing rumour is that LTA hopes to suppress new car demand and hence keep COE prices down.

The simple reason, though, is that car distributors will presumably try and circumvent the 130 hp rule. So, to thwart this, each new model will be tested on a dynamometer.

This is a device for measuring power and torque, but many are concerned because they do not know which make and model LTA has chosen. Different dynos have different baselines and will produce varying results. Then there is also a difference between dynamometers for front-wheel-drive, rear-wheel- drive and all-wheel-drive cars.

LTA has, however, given the assurance that a "correction factor" will be applied to the power figure measured at the wheels.

But the experts say that the correction factor varies according to different power trains. There is no internationally recognised correction factor or range of factors. So the question is: will LTA apply more than one correction factor, and how will it be determined for each car?

The choice of a 130 hp limit to distinguish between a Cat A and Cat B car is already a unique standard, and it is noteworthy for having been adopted by the government agency of a non-vehicle manufacturing country. But to attempt to test each new model to ensure its conformity to this new rule may require a deeper understanding of engine-manufacturing technology.

Because even though an engine leaves a factory with a certain horsepower specification, the actual output recorded on a dyno will also vary according to the air pressure in the tyres and atmosphere, the type of engine lubrication used and the varying tolerance of each engine component.

That is why manufacturers usually quote a more conservative power rating to account for these factors. If testing yields different results, bitter arguments may ensue - resulting in even more confusion and further delays in the approval process.

For some, the COE quota system before February may have been unwieldy for its many rules and changes. But now, it seems the system has veered into a black hole with everyone in the dark about what is happening, except LTA.

Those in the industry who had wanted LTA to apply the open market value (OMV) of a vehicle as a COE benchmark have been repeatedly given the rationale for the power-limit rule. But even if they accept the explanation, something must be wrong if a system becomes unnecessarily complex - or, worse, opaque.

 

[Atrecord]

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/11-331-coes-available-for/1266426.html

SINGAPORE: The Land Transport Authority (LTA) on Wednesday (July 16) announced there will be 11,331 Certificate of Entitlement (COE) for bidding for August to October this year.

In a statement, it says the monthly quota for the period will be 3,777, down from the previous quarter's 4,019. The next quota announcement for the bidding period of November 2014 to January 2015 will be made in October 2014, it added.

- CNA/kk

[Baal]

The way I see it. Its just good cop, bad cop. The 150th will not step out of line. So in line with making people pay more & more, upgrade CAT A to 2.0 Litre, period.

 

As for the new apparatus they bought, save it for strategic purposes such as when they haul up cars suspected of illegal mods for adhoc testing...

[RH1667]

  On 7/16/2014 at 2:15 AM, Atrecord said:

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/11-331-coes-available-for/1266426.html

SINGAPORE: The Land Transport Authority (LTA) on Wednesday (July 16) announced there will be 11,331 Certificate of Entitlement (COE) for bidding for August to October this year.

In a statement, it says the monthly quota for the period will be 3,777, down from the previous quarter's 4,019. The next quota announcement for the bidding period of November 2014 to January 2015 will be made in October 2014, it added.

- CNA/kk

 

 

Huat AH.....I mean LTA, not car buyer.

[Dreamchild72]

  On 7/16/2014 at 2:15 AM, Atrecord said:

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/11-331-coes-available-for/1266426.html

SINGAPORE: The Land Transport Authority (LTA) on Wednesday (July 16) announced there will be 11,331 Certificate of Entitlement (COE) for bidding for August to October this year.

In a statement, it says the monthly quota for the period will be 3,777, down from the previous quarter's 4,019. The next quota announcement for the bidding period of November 2014 to January 2015 will be made in October 2014, it added.

- CNA/kk

Cat A and B quota will increase only decrease in Cat C, D and E.