Should PRs Leaving SG be Allowed to Keep HDB Sales Proceed?

[Joseph22]

  On 6/19/2014 at 2:01 AM, Sosaria said:

 

Still got "invitation"? Maybe only for selected ones these days, e.g. high-flyers.

 

But if a person applies for it, the application may be granted even if seemingly no clear benefit (other than securing vote?) to the country. Example, some "new citizens" are actually already retiree-age and at the end of working (tax-paying) life, but still considered. Maybe for past contribution as PR; I wouldn't know.

Still have. Now is not invitation. Is threaten letter. U want convert?? If no pr will be remove.

[Kangadrool]

Not really high flyers....

 

My fren on those Technical Institute skoolership (GSI/FSI type) equivalent to Poly Dip.

 

They kept "pestering" her to convert until she ran away.

 

There's no intention for her to "stay" (as citizen-convert) and her understanding of the situation then was, 3rd time liao, still never convert, tio "bar" from renewing PR. After that, cannot work here anymore. So, better to stay away for a "reprieve" period, balik kampung for a lower stress job, then re-consider long term plan.

 

Not sure how true, but......

 

  On 6/19/2014 at 2:01 AM, Sosaria said:

 

Still got "invitation"? Maybe only for selected ones these days, e.g. high-flyers.

 

But if a person applies for it, the application may be granted even if seemingly no clear benefit (other than securing vote?) to the country. Example, some "new citizens" are actually already retiree-age and at the end of working (tax-paying) life, but still considered. Maybe for past contribution as PR; I wouldn't know.

 

Edited June 19, 2014 by Kangadrool

[Hydrocarbon]

  On 6/19/2014 at 12:59 AM, Mustank said:

in war, would you trust a guy who is a fellow citizen but didnt serve ns or a guy who is not a citizen but served ns?

 

or how about a guy who served ns as a defence scientist?

 

I'll trust the guy beside me, facing the same direction as me..

 

  On 6/19/2014 at 1:14 AM, Eviilusion said:

in war i will trust anybody who will be in my foxhole....pr or citizen! As long they are there when sheet hits the fan my trust will be with him/her because those that i wont trust will probably be out of this country. As long we are fighting the common foe i will trust him/her. But i prefer its a she......for the long cold nights.......hahaha!

 

Haha.. You can always hug your buddy to sleep what.. Besides, Singapore so warm, don't need another hot bod in your foxhole..

 

[CH_CO]

I have already highlight this problem so many times in the past with regards to this problem of PR making use of this loophole to make money at the expense of citizens here.

 

If anything , i believe , there should not be any profit for any PRs which buy hdb at all , since it is already at a subsidized price. Why should people which are non citizen earn the benefit of what should be an entitlement to singaporeans and singaporeans only?!!

 

A public housing is not meant to be an INVESTMENT , it is meant to be a HOME FOR CITIZENS to fall back on. Tell me nationalist but i don't see a reason why i would fight hard for a foreigner which doesn't share my believe of being a citizen here. I am not a slave to anyone neither any country. I serve my country and my country alone , the other citizens can go fk themselves.

Edited June 19, 2014 by CH_CO

[Sosaria]

  On 6/19/2014 at 2:17 AM, Kangadrool said:

Not really high flyers....

 

My fren on those Technical Institute skoolership (GSI/FSI type) equivalent to Poly Dip.

 

They kept "pestering" her to convert until she ran away.

...

 

Oh, this scheme was very long ago. Back then, these were the really skilled ones; no bluff. Not like today's poly grad "skills" I've worked with some techs trained from GSI, and their machining skills right down to basics/fundamentals, whether by machine or hand tools, were impressive.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Sosaria

[Vinyl]

The only person to blame for the current situation is the prick who insisted that "HDB is affordable". If supply of HDB wasn't so limited then, prices wouldn't have gone up so dramatically and would anybody even care if PRs keep the sales proceed?

 

Now prices have gone up and I don't think it will ever come down significantly even with the increasing supply. This is because HDB is now an asset that you can get your retirement "income" from when you are old and helpless. Oh right, blame the PRs, but is it really their fault that their HDB is going to become more and more valuable over time?

[Kangadrool]

Yup, these are the craftsman grade and training is geared towards that which the Europeans especially German are proud of.

 

Unfortunately, in most of Asia, this type is neither prized nor rewarded accordingly.

 

More important thing here is how to shore up the GDP in the shortest time (read.... casinos, IR......) Even the Japanese are following this (downhill) style as evidenced by recent changes and visits by their country heads to our IRs to transplant back home.

 

 

  On 6/19/2014 at 5:08 AM, Sosaria said:

 

Oh, this scheme was very long ago. Back then, these were the really skilled ones; no bluff. Not like today's poly grad "skills" I've worked with some techs trained from GSI, and their machining skills right down to basics/fundamentals, whether by machine or hand tools, were impressive.

 

Edited June 19, 2014 by Kangadrool

[Evillusion]

  On 6/19/2014 at 3:44 AM, Hydrocarbon said:

 

I'll trust the guy beside me, facing the same direction as me..

 

 

Haha.. You can always hug your buddy to sleep what.. Besides, Singapore so warm, don't need another hot bod in your foxhole..

 

wah...like that i scared of friendly 'fire'.......hahaha! Hot,warm, sizzling.....dont care....as long my defensive needs are sustained i happy liao!

[Tigerwoods]

  On 6/19/2014 at 12:59 AM, Mustank said:

 

in war, would you trust a guy who is a fellow citizen but didnt serve ns or a guy who is not a citizen but served ns?

 

or how about a guy who served ns as a defence scientist?

I trust neither if these they are this kind of ppl

Fellow citizen - if Keng until like the FB guy. such ppl will run road at the slightest trouble. No spinal cord one.

 

PR - if serve NS like CSM I trust, but some may Run Fire Enter Demon to use skill to join Talebun how ?

What is the job of defence scientist ah ? who got this solid title job ah ? anyway I don't trust this kind also, no reason, its lidat one.

[Hydrocarbon]

  On 6/19/2014 at 5:51 AM, Eviilusion said:

wah...like that i scared of friendly 'fire'.......hahaha! Hot,warm, sizzling.....dont care....as long my defensive needs are sustained i happy liao!

 

Haha, that fire better than kena enemy fire what..

 

Anyway, uniform and armour to protect you, should not remove during battle or on battlefield..

 

[Evillusion]

  On 6/19/2014 at 6:35 AM, Hydrocarbon said:

 

Haha, that fire better than kena enemy fire what..

 

Anyway, uniform and armour to protect you, should not remove during battle or on battlefield..

 

ok..as sop....can only unbutton uniform! Seargent Lee Chee Tiang always say wan but he didnt say about trousers! Can still play naynay!

[Scion]

  On 6/19/2014 at 5:39 AM, Vinyl said:

The only person to blame for the current situation is the prick who insisted that "HDB is affordable". If supply of HDB wasn't so limited then, prices wouldn't have gone up so dramatically and would anybody even care if PRs keep the sales proceed?

 

 

actually, the increasing prices of HDB in recent years are not really due to the lack of supply

 

it's more due to the land sold at higher valuations (SLA to HDB ), global low interest rates plus hot money flowing around (caused by the various governments' excessive printing of money)

[Mazda2gal]

How about new citizens who buy BTO, years later sell it for good profit, and renounce their sg citizenship and leave Singapore? Should they be allowed to keep the profits?

 

Singapore does not allow dual citizenship but can we be 100% sure that the new citizens really gave up their citizenship in their homeland? A PR from China shared with me, she bought a resale HDB but her other friends from China took up our sg citizenship to buy BTO while secretly retaining their china citizenship, so that they can make a bigger profit when they sell the flat and bring the money back to china. She feels that those friends are 'too much', even though she also doesn't intend to stay in sg for long term, she bought a HDB as investment, at least she didn't cheat the system.

 

I didn't quite believe her that secretly retaining homeland citizenship is possible, but then again, it's china, anything can be done with money as long as you know who to look for.

[Sgbenni]

That is no freelunch in this world , u want something u need to work for it. I work in MNC company, i would say more than 60% of workforce are foreigner in my Dept ( Production). Why it is happen?

1) Qualified workers in term of skill and qualification not willing to work due to various reasons, such as pay, working enviroment and etc. So the company need to look for foreign workers instead. Of course due to strong $ and S$ salary the company still can manage to hire them. PR will come into picture in order for them to stay in the company. To me cpf , housing and so on is part of package other than salary for foreigner to work.

[CH_CO]

This is the fundamental question, singapore is singapore because of the Singaporean , did the foreign imports mold singapore?

 

There are plenty in MNC which I know are crap , if I am an elite why would I need to "leave" my home to a smaller island in SEA , mind you they have hard ship allowance for doing that.

 

Personally having work with many I will have to say 60-80% of those so called foreign talents are leeches which come here for money they claim they have the skillset to do plenty but when the shit hits the wall, they usually be the first to bail out. So if there are any foreigners here, saying that we do not have a appropriate skill is crap , it is the lack of foresight and bussiness acumen from the garmen which leads to this shortage in manpower, our edb should be working with the moe to work out the skill set requirements to prepare the work force not rely on foreigners to cover their lack of oversight. So don't be stupid la.

 

Seen too many, don't give me that bs that we need foreign talents, they need us more than it is the other way round. We aren't attracting the ones we need.

Edited June 20, 2014 by CH_CO

[CH_CO]

Double post

Edited June 20, 2014 by CH_CO

[Wt_know]

i do feel the same that we have imported as many trash as talent ...

but foreign talent is a necessity ... usa is not world no. 1 today if not because of FT

google, facebook, microsoft, oracle, will not be internet or software giant today if not because of FT

spore is small to compete with other countries ... we need FT more than countries like korea, japan, taiwan ....

hence, we need to "attract" the FT from their home country to work, live and eventually settle in spore

 

  On 6/20/2014 at 12:14 AM, CH_CO said:

This is the fundamental question, singapore is singapore because of the Singaporean , did the foreign imports mold singapore?

There are plenty in MNC which I know are crap , if I am an elite why would I need to "leave" my home to a smaller island in SEA , mind you they have hard ship allowance for doing that.

Personally having work with many I will have to say 60-80% of those so called foreign talents are leeches which come here for money they claim they have the skillset to do plenty but when the shit hits the wall, they usually be the first to bail out. So if there are any foreigners here, saying that we do not have a appropriate skill is crap , it is the lack of foresight and bussiness acumen from the garmen which leads to this shortage in manpower, our edb should be working with the moe to work out the skill set requirements to prepare the work force not rely on foreigners to cover their lack of oversight. So don't be stupid la.

Seen too many, don't give me that bs that we need foreign talents, they need us more than it is the other way round. We aren't attracting the ones we need.

 

Edited June 20, 2014 by Wt_know

[CH_CO]

One good example, world cup Uruguay has a pop of 3mil can win England, our pop cannot even find to qualify and resorting to import. So import do what?

 

Look at Chile with the smallest of players did they kill of Spain?