25th anniversary of tian an men square massacre

[Scion]

  On 6/4/2014 at 9:58 AM, nazerath said:

sometimes ruling a country if dont use iron fist it is very hard to succeed. Beijing is the capital. There the presence of military is cleary felt unlike elsewhere where it is mainly police and chengguan.

 

In anniversary like these, few junctions before the changan jie the traffic has been restricted and vehicles scrutinised. Theirs is place if they do not show that they are serious, people would climb all over their head. What would have happened if they were to talk to the students nicely and plea for them to leave, would it work? talking about 6 4 tiananmen in beijing is quite a taboo subject.

 

i have to agree with this...

 

the question is... if the students had their way, would China as properous as today, or would it break up into several pieces and throw its society into a bigger chaos?

[Tianake]

  On 6/5/2014 at 3:21 AM, Scion said:

 

i have to agree with this...

 

the question is... if the students had their way, would China as properous as today, or would it break up into several pieces and throw its society into a bigger chaos?

 

but that does not mean that killing people with tanks is correct.

 

maybe the thailand military should use tanks to roll over the red shirts and yellow shirts since the protest there is affecting the country economy?

[Super7]

  On 6/5/2014 at 3:36 AM, Tianake said:

 

but that does not mean that killing people with tanks is correct.

 

maybe the thailand military should use tanks to roll over the red shirts and yellow shirts since the protest there is affecting the country economy?

 

Agreed

 

Using tanks to rolled down unarmed students!! Might as well send missles to flattened the schools.

 

A govt which does such things to innocent lives when other options are available (water-jets, tear-gas, etc) has no regards to its people.

Edited June 5, 2014 by Super7

[Alheych]

aka 35 May, to overcome the great firewall of China

[Rustyz]

If china don't use such extreme measure than it will have similar problem like recently Taiwan where student take over parliament for weeks. Extreme time call for extreme measure

[Angcheek]

Suddenly this was released ..... 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA4iKSeijZI

[mersaylee]

30th...stir stir stir...crack crack crack...usual lah

 

But but but...Jiang still around hor

[Sosaria]

30 years later, they are still cracking down on student activists, but ... but ... the students are now the communists

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/world/asia/china-maoists-xi-protests.html

 

How the world and china have changed since then!

Edited June 1, 2019 by Sosaria

[BanCoe]

  On 6/1/2019 at 11:31 AM, Angcheek said:

Suddenly this was released .....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA4iKSeijZI

I remember that day , yes it was 30 years back .... those kids whom survived or got injured must be in their 50’s now ..... wonder what goes in their minds now

[mersaylee]

  On 6/1/2019 at 12:40 PM, BanCoe said:

I remember that day , yes it was 30 years back .... those kids whom survived or got injured must be in their 50’s now ..... wonder what goes in their minds now

Many are here...invited by our garment...middle kingdom of course happy to export their “talents “...

 

Those few I know of who converted...have our kind of “worries”...coe prices lah, food prices lah, education and medical costs lah...weekend how to place bets lah...

[BanCoe]

  On 6/1/2019 at 12:53 PM, mersaylee said:

Many are here...invited by our garment...middle kingdom of course happy to export their âtalents â...

 

Those few I know of who converted...have our kind of âworriesâ...coe prices lah, food prices lah, education and medical costs lah...weekend how to place bets lah...

U mean they migrated here ?? ..... izzit they were persecuted there ??as China was just reforming itself but unfortunately this happened to fast too soon ..... I know back in 90’s lotsa Hongkies were moving to SG which made property prices go up quite a bit Edited June 1, 2019 by BanCoe

[Sdf4786k]

  On 6/1/2019 at 12:40 PM, BanCoe said:

I remember that day , yes it was 30 years back .... those kids whom survived or got injured must be in their 50’s now ..... wonder what goes in their minds now

 

I supposed those that participated are asking if it was worth their time... nothing came out of the protest.

 

Yes, the world saw protest.

 

But the outcome was not martin luther king kind of changes ...

Edited June 1, 2019 by Sdf4786k

[BanCoe]

  On 6/1/2019 at 12:58 PM, Sdf4786k said:

I supposed those that participated are asking if it was worth their time... nothing came out of the protest.

 

Yes, the world saw protest.

 

But the outcome was not martin luther king kind of changes ...

Martin Luther King cannot compare to Tainanmen, MLK was fighting white supremacy, the likes of KKK and black rights

 

More akin to saying ‘ownself kill ownself ‘ or the PLA will just say civil disobedience/ trouble makers

Edited June 1, 2019 by BanCoe

[mersaylee]

  On 6/1/2019 at 12:57 PM, BanCoe said:

U mean they migrated here ?? ..... izzit they were persecuted there ??as China was just reforming itself but unfortunately this happened to fast too soon ..... I know back in 90âs lotsa Hongkies were moving to SG which made property prices go up quite a bit

改革开放。。。向世界接轨。。。zhao lang ah!!!

[Sosaria]

  On 6/1/2019 at 12:58 PM, Sdf4786k said:

I supposed those that participated are asking if it was worth their time... nothing came out of the protest.

 

Yes, the world saw protest.

 

But the outcome was not martin luther king kind of changes ...

They naively thought the army soldiers will not open fire on them, and will revolt if given such order.

 

As happened when the Berlin wall fell, communism collapsed overnight because the East German border guards refused to shoot the civilians.

 

But during the June 4 incident, many military units were brought in from other far-flung regions of China, with no sympathies and no links with the protestors.

[Victor68]

I don't know, the whole video didn't show 'massacre' but just that guy talking. Is there other video showing massacre?  Looking at what the 'students' are doing, I wonder where else in the world that would end peacefully or even have chance to even build up to this stage. 3 is already a crowd, such big crowd with burning and throwing of objects are very well organised. 

[BanCoe]

  On 6/1/2019 at 11:24 PM, Victor68 said:

I don't know, the whole video didn't show 'massacre' but just that guy talking. Is there other video showing massacre? Looking at what the 'students' are doing, I wonder where else in the world that would end peacefully or even have chance to even build up to this stage. 3 is already a crowd, such big crowd with burning and throwing of objects are very well organised.

I think back then China was just opening up reforms to the world and may have been just and internal disobedience which went deadly bad and media may not have been that interested until the sheer number of deaths in which no one wants to admit ,China Govt keep quiet ( keep people guessing) as everthing covered up hush hush in a veil of secrecy, parents also in the dark as complain also kenna “Lim Kopi” with PLA ,Internet was still in infancy , Bodies overun beyond recognition by tanks, East West Germany ( ideology only) was like North South Korea but at a milder level and different kind of history totally as no peace/truce deal was ever accorded between them so technically they are “still at war “ mode and also demographics play a role too as East/Germany Neighbourhood is democratic and land locked unlike N/S korea is just sea and China’s Umbilical cord which it relies on illegally now with trade sanctions

[Victor68]

  On 6/1/2019 at 11:49 PM, BanCoe said:

I think back then China was just opening up reforms to the world and may have been just and internal disobedience which went deadly bad and media may not have been that interested until the sheer number of deaths in which no one wants to admit ,China Govt keep quiet ( keep people guessing) as everthing covered up hush hush in a veil of secrecy, parents also in the dark as complain also kenna “Lim Kopi” with PLA ,Internet was still in infancy , Bodies overun beyond recognition by tanks, East West Germany ( ideology only) was like North South Korea but at a milder level and different kind of history totally as no peace/truce deal was ever accorded between them so technically they are “still at war “ mode and also demographics play a role too as East/Germany Neighbourhood is democratic and land locked unlike N/S korea is just sea and China’s Umbilical cord which it relies on illegally now with trade sanctions

All these we from external will not be able to verify. However, just imagine what will happen if no action were taken then and what would happen? I am sure it opens up many debates. My take, an internal affair should not allow external parties to interfere. They will find their own setting.