Serious accident on PIE this morning, involving a TP bike.

[Evillusion]

Bottomline, regardless whether TP or normal bike riders, as long as they don't ride (a.k.a squeeze) in between both lanes, their risk is reduced significantly.

 

If they want to increase their risk with the trade-off for faster commuting time, then the chances of getting wrapped in a black plastic bag send to the mortuary also increases.

 

When they take their class 2B or whatever classes of motorbike lessons, are they allow to squeeze in between or even been taught doing that ?

I bet u do not have a bike licence! and that TP has his blikners on....so its an emergency! if such vehicle do not squeeze between lanes then there is noo point in having nototrbikes as an emergency vehicle (scdf rapid response, bikes, tp bikes and military bikes) Might as well they are given cars to patrol as it is much safer and more comfortable!

[BengGaBoy]

I bet u do not have a bike licence! and that TP has his blikners on....so its an emergency! if such vehicle do not squeeze between lanes then there is noo point in having nototrbikes as an emergency vehicle (scdf rapid response, bikes, tp bikes and military bikes) Might as well they are given cars to patrol as it is much safer and more comfortable!

 

I do have bike license and been a rider for 10 years period before moving on.

 

I did not say they cannot squeeze, it's only a matter of statistics, how much can they bear. If 90% of the time they are faster with bike squeezing in between and 10% of the time got into such accidents like what TS has reported, is it worth it or not ? Well, it depend which side are you in (rider or victim waiting for assistance).

 

If that rider is my family, I would have already encourage him to quit and not contribute to the statistics

[Route88]

Oh, TP biker ah ~ ok noted

[Evillusion]

 

I do have bike license and been a rider for 10 years period before moving on.

 

I did not say they cannot squeeze, it's only a matter of statistics, how much can they bear. If 90% of the time they are faster with bike squeezing in between and 10% of the time got into such accidents like what TS has reported, is it worth it or not ? Well, it depend which side are you in (rider or victim waiting for assistance).

 

If that rider is my family, I would have already encourage him to quit and not contribute to the statistics

good that u have a bike licence but the way u wrote suggest otherwise! Can u imagine the lines that will form if bikers do not squeeze? I for one did squeeze eons back when i was riding and all of my injuries are not bcos of squeezing in between car! Just give more leeways to these bikers and always check for bikers that are overtaking while squeezing in between! I rather they overtake me rather than i overtake a biker that is riding slow in between lanes!

[Yeobt]

I bet u do not have a bike licence! and that TP has his blikners on....so its an emergency! if such vehicle do not squeeze between lanes then there is noo point in having nototrbikes as an emergency vehicle (scdf rapid response, bikes, tp bikes and military bikes) Might as well they are given cars to patrol as it is much safer and more comfortable!

 

i got a 2B license too.

 

well, i think most bikers would still go in between lane for the biking advantage. i think its norm and no one can change this habit. however, i think its the speed that matter. if the speed is manageable, the biker can still react in time to avoid an accident to happen or at most light accident. but if the speed is too high, that is another story liao. god also cannot save him.

 

juz my thought.

[Evillusion]

 

i got a 2B license too.

 

well, i think most bikers would still go in between lane for the biking advantage. i think its norm and no one can change this habit. however, i think its the speed that matter. if the speed is manageable, the biker can still react in time to avoid an accident to happen or at most light accident. but if the speed is too high, that is another story liao. god also cannot save him.

 

juz my thought.

A few month ago i kana by a superbiker sg plated. 6:30 AM and the fella was squeezing on lane 3/4! Nb....didnt see him as it was still dark and all vehicle had their headlights on. When i signal and changed lane i heard screeching and a long horn. The fella rode beside me and gave me all sort of signs....i just apologised as he didnt ask me to pullover.....but he kept staring at me and gesticulating....i got pissed of and wound down the window.....but then i think he had enough and continiued on his way! kns.....so early in the morning....squeezing in between lane at speed! But still i apologise and still not happy! And i still say give them more leeway......because i am still a biker at heart!

[Renegade777]

Really hate drivers switching lanes without paying attention to other motorists. Come across many a times, some just switch lane into yours as though they got right of way. When they switch to your lane, you actually have to avoid them. Sometimes horn at them to tell them you are beside, they still want to switch to the lane you are in. Machiam own them like that and must give way to them.

[-zion88-]

A few month ago i kana by a superbiker sg plated. 6:30 AM and the fella was squeezing on lane 3/4! Nb....didnt see him as it was still dark and all vehicle had their headlights on. When i signal and changed lane i heard screeching and a long horn. The fella rode beside me and gave me all sort of signs....i just apologised as he didnt ask me to pullover.....but he kept staring at me and gesticulating....i got pissed of and wound down the window.....but then i think he had enough and continiued on his way! kns.....so early in the morning....squeezing in between lane at speed! But still i apologise and still not happy! And i still say give them more leeway......because i am still a biker at heart!

 

I can totally relate to your incident. These super bikes lane split at neck breaking speeds at times. You may have checked your mirrors, blind spot, signal when they are still a dot in the mirror. While lane changing they are right behind or beside. They should have seen the signal and anticipate the lane change right... Especially "J" plates. These ppl ride like they stole the bike...

 

I was a biker and the only time i lane split was when the traffic comes to a standstill or snail pace. Defensive riding and driving is very much appreciated. Of course don't signal for one second and make the lane change.

[Evillusion]

Really hate drivers switching lanes without paying attention to other motorists. Come across many a times, some just switch lane into yours as though they got right of way. When they switch to your lane, you actually have to avoid them. Sometimes horn at them to tell them you are beside, they still want to switch to the lane you are in. Machiam own them like that and must give way to them.

Both side of the fence have negative traits......just be alert and drive safe! We have families and so do they......gibe a quarter and others may do likewise!

[Tckrto]

TP or not, the rule still stays. Bang backside 100% wrong liao.

[Evillusion]

 

I can totally relate to your incident. These super bikes lane split at neck breaking speeds at times. You may have checked your mirrors, blind spot, signal when they are still a dot in the mirror. While lane changing they are right behind or beside. They should have seen the signal and anticipate the lane change right... Especially "J" plates. These ppl ride like they stole the bike...

 

I was a biker and the only time i lane split was when the traffic comes to a standstill or snail pace. Defensive riding and driving is very much appreciated. Of course don't signal for one second and make the lane change.

bkiking and lane-splitting is synanomous to each other. When i was riding i would ride fast...lane split till not many vehicle,...get to the front and then follow the speed limit. When the traffic caught up with me then i will continue with the lane splitting again! But sometime i will do the mad dash as though running away from zombies kind...thats why i had many demerits back then.....hahaha!

[-zion88-]

bkiking and lane-splitting is synanomous to each other. When i was riding i would ride fast...lane split till not many vehicle,...get to the front and then follow the speed limit. When the traffic caught up with me then i will continue with the lane splitting again! But sometime i will do the mad dash as though running away from zombies kind...thats why i had many demerits back then.....hahaha!

 

Its fine with me to ride fast or lane split or both. But not ride as if the road belongs to them. Can't be if I make a signal then lane change and the bike appears so fast beside me that I cannot make any reaction and complete my lane change right?

 

Ever made a lane change, in the middle of the lanes then both sides vehicles also speed up and cover up the gap. Looks stupid lane straddling because of such "gracious" act.

[Evillusion]

 

Its fine with me to ride fast or lane split or both. But not ride as if the road belongs to them. Can't be if I make a signal then lane change and the bike appears so fast beside me that I cannot make any reaction and complete my lane change right?

 

Ever made a lane change, in the middle of the lanes then both sides vehicles also speed up and cover up the gap. Looks stupid lane straddling because of such "gracious" act.

i kana before......hahaha!

[Bystander50]

lane splitting is very dangerous indeed, but i guess all bikers do that

 

So to lane split or not to lane split?

 

The 5 vehicles accident at AMK 1-2 months ago, rider did not lane split and got squashed.

 

All these could have been avoided if there's lane discipline and patience.

[F355]

 

 

Personally, I find riders riding in-between lane is fine as long as it's done in a safe manner. Just be predictable.

 

I dunno why such discussions always pops up. I'ts pretty common sense for bikes to ride in-between lanes and I expect that, nothing wrong. In other countries like Taiwan, Malaysia or Vietnam, everyone is a rider and driver. Only in Singapore most drivers don't have a riders license. And with COE at a super-sky high, all the more the attitude of drivers also high up there.

 

PS. I drive my car everyday and owns a class 2A license.

 

I share the same sentiment ; even though I do not have a riders license.

 

I am OK with bikes riding in between lanes.

 

However if a car driver signals his intentions to switch lanes early and the rider is able to give way , he should. Many a times riders take riding in between lanes as their right of way and will sound their horn when cars in front try to filter. BKE towards PIE in the mornings ; and towards Woodlands in the evenings ; very difficult to switch lanes.

[FourZero]

Hope he has a speedy recovery.

And always be responsible on the road, all road user have the same responsibility too.

[Yeobt]

Anyone happened to know that driver? I forgotten to get his contact. After recalling everything, I think he was not totally be blamed for the accident. The rider was too fast n furious for even god to react. I will stand witness for him.

[Yeobt]

few pictures from me.

 

 

 

 

good luck drive safe!