Potential MPV buyers fall in please

[Heman75]

  On 8/7/2014 at 8:48 AM, Heartlander said:

I agree with most except on reliability. You would not understand the frustration of living with a time bomb until you ganna one before.

well maybe you are just unlucky to get the problem unit. generally, a car can drive for ten year one..

[Cracker]

  On 8/7/2014 at 8:48 AM, Heartlander said:

I agree with most except on reliability. You would not understand the frustration of living with a time bomb until you ganna one before.

 

 

reliability of car is always touchy issue..

 

I ever owned a chevy optra where almost all the electronics failed within the first 6 mth ...

mentioned my car plate to the technicians at their Ubi service centre...they will replied oh that car.....

I had suspected the root cause was the car ECU ( the brain of the car)...one of the most costly component but Chevy Singapore thought other wise....but finally they did change it.

 

I also had a Honda civic EK3 aka the famous AH Beng car... where there was a problem with the starter clutch which affected the gear box... Initially Kah Motor didn't know what was the issue..so many cars kept returning to the workshop for repair...

 

at the end of the day , it is how the dealer responds to such incident that will ensure customer satisfaction.

[Mkl22]

  On 8/7/2014 at 8:48 AM, Heartlander said:

I agree with most except on reliability. You would not understand the frustration of living with a time bomb until you ganna one before.

 

ya man.. totally agree with reliability. this is one thing that is non negotiable for me. heman75 probably has not yet met with a car that can give you hell.

  On 8/7/2014 at 8:57 AM, Cracker said:

 

 

reliability of car is always touchy issue..

 

I ever owned a chevy optra where almost all the electronics failed within the first 6 mth ...

mentioned my car plate to the technicians at their Ubi service centre...they will replied oh that car.....

I had suspected the root cause was the car ECU ( the brain of the car)...one of the most costly component but Chevy Singapore thought other wise....but finally they did change it.

 

I also had a Honda civic EK3 aka the famous AH Beng car... where there was a problem with the starter clutch which affected the gear box... Initially Kah Motor didn't know what was the issue..so many cars kept returning to the workshop for repair...

 

at the end of the day , it is how the dealer responds to such incident that will ensure customer satisfaction.

 

sad to say most dealers will try to 'siam' the problem and brush you off by saying its like that or keep making you come back again and again and do nothing but waste your time until the warranty ends and then they will miraculously have a fix for you. :)

 

Sometimes i rather pay less than to have warranty in Singapore. with warranty you are at their mercy to do all servicing there and let them milk you dry before you even start to claim anything.

[Dantanps]

Actually estima is about $162-$165 and they are about $10-$15 k more than noah/voxy but Estima the restOmv is also about $12k more than the rest and yoy are driving a different category of car. If u work backwards it is more worthit to buy estima but of course the cash upfront is more.

resale and spare parts are better for estima too

 

 

  On 8/7/2014 at 7:32 AM, Mkl22 said:

 

this falls in to the Previa/estima category. 165k+ and up. i'm quite reluctant to spend so much on a car. the wish is approx 130k, Biante/Noah 145-150K and odyssey is 167k-170k?

 

the noah seems to tick all the boxes except the popularity part. I'm ok with a PI car, but it has to be a popular model like the wish, estima where parts supply is not an issue.

 

I have not yet checked out the odyssey or Elgrand. Will always default to Honda/toyota is the price vs the rest of the Japanese cars isnt much more. They still build the best cars in terms of reliability. Nissan and Mazda are always one step behind.

 

Just to share some of the weird issues faced by myself or my family with cars other than Toyota/Honda.

 

1. Mitsubishi Lancer CS3. Horn button spoil. must change the entire steering wheel. in the end modified the horn button by adding 2 little buttons on the side the of the airbag. had rust issues in the internal door for some of the metal parts.

 

2. Mazda RX-8. numerous problems on steering rack, Catalytic converter, leaking tail lamp. Radiator overflow bottle. all happening before 50k km on a 4year old car.

 

3. Suzuki Liana. Fuel Pump @ 70k km. shocks at 40k km. Aircon @ 6k km (4years old). was a weekend car with the 1st owner.

 

4.Renault kangoo... Enough said...

 

5. Nissan Murano. steering boss spoil. tail gate cannot be opened. wiring and switch was changed.

 

for the honda and toyota. Zero funny issues and even for wear and tear parts its at a higher mileage like 70-80k for shocks and 100k for engine mounts where they wear out. which is acceptable.

[Enye]

  On 8/7/2014 at 9:14 AM, Dantanps said:

Actually estima is about $162-$165 and they are about $10-$15 k more than noah/voxy but Estima the restOmv is also about $12k more than the rest and yoy are driving a different category of car. If u work backwards it is more worthit to buy estima but of course the cash upfront is more.

resale and spare parts are better for estima too

 

 

 

your PI estima how many airbags?

[Duckduck]

found this in sgcm: http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=11590

 

new toyota sienta, 1.5l 7 seater! looks cheap n good at $105,000!

[Dantanps]

  On 8/7/2014 at 9:15 AM, Enye said:

 

your PI estima how many airbags?

 

2 airbags for estima . I think 6 for previa but understand no airbags fpr the 2nd row because the 2nd rom is able to move about alot becos car is spacious

pls check how is previa airbag work

[Sevenseven]

Guess everybody is having the same dilemma when deciding which MPV to chose.if only I have a deep pocket,I would probably go for the Estima or the Odyssey.with a budget of $140k and below,it is basically a choice between Wish,Mazda 5 and the Noah.forget about the contis as I previously had a very bad experience with my C4 Grand Picasso.

 

Even thou you get all the nice features etc as compared to the Japanese cars,reliability is definitely a big big issue.you just don't know when the car will fail and you are forever worrying when you are on the road,especially if you are traveling to Malaysia.worse thing is you are forever at the AD mercy as not much workshop or none at all are capable of tackling the electronic problems of the car if any.a simple visit to the workshop will easily cost you a 4 figure sum and not forgetting the numerous trips and time wasted at the workshop.

 

Perhaps I am just one of the unlucky one with so many problems with the car.but I always feel that conti cars are not meant for Singapore hot weather and hard,start/stop driving style.turbo failures,engine mounting worn out,sensors malfunctioning,leaking water pumps,dash board peeling off etc.all these happens just after the 60000km warranty period is over and less than 100k of usage.

 

That's why I tell myself no more conti cars for me from now on.for those who are looking at contis,I would strongly advise you guys to do a thorough research on the models you are looking at for the reliability as well as the maintainence cost involved.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

If only Noah is distributed by Borneo,it would have make my choice easier among the 3 models.putting aside the boxy look,it actually fits my bill in term of features,spaciousness and interior design.too bad is a PI model and only only one PI is selling and we cannot get a better pricing due to the lack of competition.so I guess it still boils down to Wish or Mazda 5 for me.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Sevenseven

[Aukang]

  On 8/7/2014 at 6:12 AM, Dantanps said:

 

Luckily I took a look at Estima and I bought it after doing all my calculations !

The Estima is something I wss eyeing but the price and fuel consideration means it is out of $ range. Same as Sorento.

 

Would you be able to share your experience of driving the Estima, the fuel consumption and most importantly, purchase price please?

[Aukang]

  On 8/7/2014 at 7:32 AM, Mkl22 said:

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for the honda and toyota. Zero funny issues and even for wear and tear parts its at a higher mileage like 70-80k for shocks and 100k for engine mounts where they wear out. which is acceptable.

Totally agree...i have piece of mi bd driving my current toyota.

[Thaiyotakamli]

  On 8/7/2014 at 7:56 AM, Riverfish said:

 

If I remember correctly, it's about $141k for the "basic" model, which already beats the Jap hands-down in terms of bells and whistles.

146 basic model on vivo roadshow

  On 8/7/2014 at 12:20 PM, Aukang said:

The Estima is something I wss eyeing but the price and fuel consideration means it is out of $ range. Same as Sorento.

 

Would you be able to share your experience of driving the Estima, the fuel consumption and most importantly, purchase price please?

Estima should b around 7-8km/l

 

If this new Grand Picasso can get around 20+km/l as it is diesel

  On 8/7/2014 at 6:27 AM, Duckduck said:

 

Elgrand, Odyssey?

 

THese two would solve all the problem but it is slightly more ex and maybe not FC friendly

[Docomospur]

I wish Honda would bring back the Stream.

[Bc75]

http://minkara.carview.co.jp/en/car/toyota/estima/

 

Avg consumption for Estima is around 9km/l. For a car this size, the consumption is consider quite good.

[Sabian]

  On 8/7/2014 at 7:31 AM, Riverfish said:

Too boxy?

And Noah is not too boxy? Both looks equally boxy to me.

 

But take note that Noah last row cannot fold flat.

 

I've seen a few Noahs on the road. Toyota really didn't bother with the rear styling as I thought it was an actual panel van until I saw the word Noah etched in chrome.

  On 8/7/2014 at 12:48 PM, Thaiyotakamli said:

146 basic model on vivo roadshow

 

Estima should b around 7-8km/l

 

If this new Grand Picasso can get around 20+km/l as it is diesel

 

THese two would solve all the problem but it is slightly more ex and maybe not FC friendly

I'm getting 9-10km/L on my Nissan Presage. I'd expect Estima to have similar fc. 85HW/15City.

 

Furry and Soya already caution against Frenchie rides...everyday go up mountain find tiger, one day sure meet tiger one.

[Thaiyotakamli]

  On 8/7/2014 at 4:17 PM, Sabian said:

And Noah is not too boxy? Both looks equally boxy to me.

 

But take note that Noah last row cannot fold flat.

 

I've seen a few Noahs on the road. Toyota really didn't bother with the rear styling as I thought it was an actual panel van until I saw the word Noah etched in chrome.

 

I'm getting 9-10km/L on my Nissan Presage. I'd expect Estima to have similar fc. 85HW/15City.

 

Furry and Soya already caution against Frenchie rides...everyday go up mountain find tiger, one day sure meet tiger one.

Presage can get 9-10km/l? U must be driving most of the time in highway right? Last time my camry can only clock 8km/l and E200 9km/l and E250 8.5km/l

[Cracker]

  On 8/7/2014 at 10:30 AM, Sevenseven said:

Guess everybody is having the same dilemma when deciding which MPV to chose.if only I have a deep pocket,I would probably go for the Estima or the Odyssey.with a budget of $140k and below,it is basically a choice between Wish,Mazda 5 and the Noah.forget about the contis as I previously had a very bad experience with my C4 Grand Picasso.

 

Even thou you get all the nice features etc as compared to the Japanese cars,reliability is definitely a big big issue.you just don't know when the car will fail and you are forever worrying when you are on the road,especially if you are traveling to Malaysia.worse thing is you are forever at the AD mercy as not much workshop or none at all are capable of tackling the electronic problems of the car if any.a simple visit to the workshop will easily cost you a 4 figure sum and not forgetting the numerous trips and time wasted at the workshop.

 

Perhaps I am just one of the unlucky one with so many problems with the car.but I always feel that conti cars are not meant for Singapore hot weather and hard,start/stop driving style.turbo failures,engine mounting worn out,sensors malfunctioning,leaking water pumps,dash board peeling off etc.all these happens just after the 60000km warranty period is over and less than 100k of usage.

 

That's why I tell myself no more conti cars for me from now on.for those who are looking at contis,I would strongly advise you guys to do a thorough research on the models you are looking at for the reliability as well as the maintainence cost involved.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

If only Noah is distributed by Borneo,it would have make my choice easier among the 3 models.putting aside the boxy look,it actually fits my bill in term of features,spaciousness and interior design.too bad is a PI model and only only one PI is selling and we cannot get a better pricing due to the lack of competition.so I guess it still boils down to Wish or Mazda 5 for me.

 

 

Not all PI are bad... just need to do some research.. The PI biz hit the peak during the 2008 and mid 2009,, but many quit the biz when COE started to head north...My Stream was from PI and the company is still around.. beside the PI, u will also need to know who are their appointed service centre.. Quite a few had tied up with those service centres in Sin Mind Industrial area.

 

Do abit of homework , ask around and you should be ok

[Wiiuwii]

  On 8/7/2014 at 10:30 AM, Sevenseven said:

Guess everybody is having the same dilemma when deciding which MPV to chose.if only I have a deep pocket,I would probably go for the Estima or the Odyssey.with a budget of $140k and below,it is basically a choice between Wish,Mazda 5 and the Noah.forget about the contis as I previously had a very bad experience with my C4 Grand Picasso.

 

Even thou you get all the nice features etc as compared to the Japanese cars,reliability is definitely a big big issue.you just don't know when the car will fail and you are forever worrying when you are on the road,especially if you are traveling to Malaysia.worse thing is you are forever at the AD mercy as not much workshop or none at all are capable of tackling the electronic problems of the car if any.a simple visit to the workshop will easily cost you a 4 figure sum and not forgetting the numerous trips and time wasted at the workshop.

 

Perhaps I am just one of the unlucky one with so many problems with the car.but I always feel that conti cars are not meant for Singapore hot weather and hard,start/stop driving style.turbo failures,engine mounting worn out,sensors malfunctioning,leaking water pumps,dash board peeling off etc.all these happens just after the 60000km warranty period is over and less than 100k of usage.

 

That's why I tell myself no more conti cars for me from now on.for those who are looking at contis,I would strongly advise you guys to do a thorough research on the models you are looking at for the reliability as well as the maintainence cost involved.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

If only Noah is distributed by Borneo,it would have make my choice easier among the 3 models.putting aside the boxy look,it actually fits my bill in term of features,spaciousness and interior design.too bad is a PI model and only only one PI is selling and we cannot get a better pricing due to the lack of competition.so I guess it still boils down to Wish or Mazda 5 for me.

 

Well said bro!

 

Contis are not really meant for Singapore. To own one, you need to be able to set aside time to vist the workshop. Even under warranty, want to claim also not easy. If it's straight forward with error codes, yes they change. If no error code and it's those intermittent faults, you will find yourself going in and out of the workshops a couple of times before it gets changed.

 

A non-asian or luxury asian car will command a higher premium for its maintenance and parts.

 

I'm also looking at the Mazda and Wish. For Mazda, it's the 2 airbags that's holding me. I like the sliding doors and with the SkyActiv engine, I don't foresee FC to be a huge issue. The Wish has 6 airbags but no 2nd row aircon. Looks dated and yet $20K more.

 

 

[Sevenseven]

  On 8/8/2014 at 12:37 AM, Wiiuwii said:

 

Well said bro!

 

Contis are not really meant for Singapore. To own one, you need to be able to set aside time to vist the workshop. Even under warranty, want to claim also not easy. If it's straight forward with error codes, yes they change. If no error code and it's those intermittent faults, you will find yourself going in and out of the workshops a couple of times before it gets changed.

 

A non-asian or luxury asian car will command a higher premium for its maintenance and parts.

 

I'm also looking at the Mazda and Wish. For Mazda, it's the 2 airbags that's holding me. I like the sliding doors and with the SkyActiv engine, I don't foresee FC to be a huge issue. The Wish has 6 airbags but no 2nd row aircon. Looks dated and yet $20K more.

 

 

Same here,love the sliding doors,rear aircon and fuel consumption should be comparable with Wish with the SkyActiv engine.Only problem is the 2 airbags which you have mentioned.Too bad I have not much choices based on my budget.