Potential MPV buyers fall in please

[Mkl22]

  On 8/7/2014 at 4:17 PM, Sabian said:

And Noah is not too boxy? Both looks equally boxy to me.

 

But take note that Noah last row cannot fold flat.

 

I've seen a few Noahs on the road. Toyota really didn't bother with the rear styling as I thought it was an actual panel van until I saw the word Noah etched in chrome.

 

I'm getting 9-10km/L on my Nissan Presage. I'd expect Estima to have similar fc. 85HW/15City.

 

Furry and Soya already caution against Frenchie rides...everyday go up mountain find tiger, one day sure meet tiger one.

 

noah's last row flips up to the sides. like the honda freed. Yes, the noah is like a bread van.

 

Yes, Buy frenchie's at your own peril.

[Little_prince]

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=416831&DL=1364

 

anyone else is considering this ?

 

looks damm good. and very spacious. run on diesel too!

[Mkl22]

  On 8/8/2014 at 1:58 AM, Sevenseven said:

Same here,love the sliding doors,rear aircon and fuel consumption should be comparable with Wish with the SkyActiv engine.Only problem is the 2 airbags which you have mentioned.Too bad I have not much choices based on my budget.

 

i found the mazda5 smaller than the wish in terms of interior room. at least in the wish you still can fit 7 adults in the car. with the mazda5 3adults abreast in the 2row is quite cramped and the 3row, is probably meant for shorter and smaller people.

  On 8/8/2014 at 2:02 AM, Little_prince said:

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=416831&DL=1364

 

anyone else is considering this ?

 

looks damm good. and very spacious. run on diesel too!

 

maintenance is high. if the viano is anything like the mercedes vito in the past... then please avoid.. the maintenance cost will bleed you dry dry.

[Sevenseven]

  On 8/8/2014 at 2:08 AM, Mkl22 said:

 

i found the mazda5 smaller than the wish in terms of interior room. at least in the wish you still can fit 7 adults in the car. with the mazda5 3adults abreast in the 2row is quite cramped and the 3row, is probably meant for shorter and smaller people.

 

maintenance is high. if the viano is anything like the mercedes vito in the past... then please avoid.. the maintenance cost will bleed you dry dry.

Ya,2nd row is definitely smaller for Mazda 5.But its quite ok for me as 90% of the time I am alone in the car and normally it will sit 3 adults and 1 kid during weekends.Only once in a blue moon have to squeeze 5 adults 1 kid.Dont forsee much issue unless I am travelling to Malaysia often with 5 adults and a kid.Then the comfort will definitely be compromised.If only I can afford the Estima or Odyssey.....

[Riverfish]

  On 8/8/2014 at 2:02 AM, Little_prince said:

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=416831&DL=1364

 

anyone else is considering this ?

 

looks damm good. and very spacious. run on diesel too!

 

70k km mileage in barely a year. This must have been driven non-stop between Changi airport and Tuas!

 

Too big for daily family use I guess.

[Dantanps]

Sorry I just got my Estima 2 weeks ago so still not run in yet . at the moment I am getting about 8km/l based on 50% hw

I was told that it should be able to give between 9 to 10km once run in and also depending on the driving pattern . Will let you know once I send I send for my first servicing .

So far enjoying the comfort of the ride .

 

I believe fc is much better than the Sorento . I did test drive that too and I love it but second and third row is really small .

 

 

The Estima is something I wss eyeing but the price and fuel consideration means it is out of $ range. Same as Sorento.

Would you be able to share your experience of driving the Estima, the fuel consumption and most importantly, purchase price please?

 

[Dantanps]

Usually this car is use by private limousine driver to take corporate clients to airport or offices so mileage definitely high.

Very high maintenance so many switch to Alpahard or wellfire . cheaper maintenance

 

  On 8/8/2014 at 2:22 AM, Riverfish said:

 

70k km mileage in barely a year. This must have been driven non-stop between Changi airport and Tuas!

 

Too big for daily family use I guess.

 

[Heartlander]

  On 8/8/2014 at 2:37 AM, Dantanps said:

Sorry I just got my Estima 2 weeks ago so still not run in yet . at the moment I am getting about 8km/l based on 50% hw

I was told that it should be able to give between 9 to 10km once run in and also depending on the driving pattern . Will let you know once I send I send for my first servicing .

So far enjoying the comfort of the ride .

 

I believe fc is much better than the Sorento . I did test drive that too and I love it but second and third row is really small .

My experience with FC is that long-term FC is very close to the FC when you just collect a new ride, not more than 1km/L. So if you got only 8km/L, you would not get more than 9km/L for the next few years if the usage pattern remain.

 

Do not really believe the fantastic FC that people claim as they are achieved under extreme condition, like driving at midnite due to shift work and without aircon or mostly highway. You can't run away from the law of physics. If the car is heavy, then good luck to you on FC.

 

I think average long-term FC for Estima is only about 9km/L base on real-life feedback from many users. Sales people always claim better figures which could happen if you always drive mid-nite in highways with aircon switched off.

To add on, I have been disappointed a few times already by the few rides that I owned so far. Always can read people getting so fantastic FC so always hopeful that after 10,000km servicing with synthetic oil it will improve by much, but always being disappointed with less than 1km/L improvements.

 

So I come to the conclusion that what you get in beginning is about what you will achieve in long run. Any one with different outcome?

[Enye]

  On 8/7/2014 at 9:33 AM, Dantanps said:

2 airbags for estima . I think 6 for previa but understand no airbags fpr the 2nd row because the 2nd rom is able to move about alot becos car is spacious

pls check how is previa airbag work

 

does PI offer 6/7 airbag option?

 

thanks.

[Duckduck]

  On 8/8/2014 at 4:43 AM, Heartlander said:

My experience with FC is that long-term FC is very close to the FC when you just collect a new ride, not more than 1km/L. So if you got only 8km/L, you would not get more than 9km/L for the next few years if the usage pattern remain.

 

Do not really believe the fantastic FC that people claim as they are achieved under extreme condition, like driving at midnite due to shift work and without aircon or mostly highway. You can't run away from the law of physics. If the car is heavy, then good luck to you on FC.

 

I think average long-term FC for Estima is only about 9km/L base on real-life feedback from many users. Sales people always claim better figures which could happen if you always drive mid-nite in highways with aircon switched off.

To add on, I have been disappointed a few times already by the few rides that I owned so far. Always can read people getting so fantastic FC so always hopeful that after 10,000km servicing with synthetic oil it will improve by much, but always being disappointed with less than 1km/L improvements.

 

So I come to the conclusion that what you get in beginning is about what you will achieve in long run. Any one with different outcome?

 

frm wat i read, even the euro diesels which claim 15-20kml is only achieved on highway. they all drop to 8-9kml when in city.

 

even my previous toyota vios cannot achieve high mileage coz i drove in city only so really alot of variable

[Sabian]

What the road tax like for a diesel ride?

[Duckduck]

  On 8/8/2014 at 5:08 AM, Sabian said:

What the road tax like for a diesel ride?

 

onemotoring.com.sg

[Wiiuwii]

  On 8/8/2014 at 5:08 AM, Sabian said:

What the road tax like for a diesel ride?

 

a random look at a A220 CDi, the road tax was $2xxx/mth.

[Lala81]

  On 7/30/2014 at 3:48 AM, Duckduck said:

got... mazda 5 but interior is old design otherwise is cheap relatively

 

Someone posted in other thread. It has quite lousy safety ratings from IIHS

 

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/5

[Lala81]

This time round i'll get a mid sized sedan while my kids are small.

Then in 4 yrs time when my FIL's van COE expire liao, then my wife will need a runabout. Probably go for something like a wish or one of the PI ones then.

 

IMO, betw wish and mz5, i think i'll go for a wish. Back aircon vents is not very important honestly for a mid sized MPV i feel. Not say this is a big Hiace van or what.

[Dantanps]

actually the latest facelift of Wish is quite nice .

 

  On 8/8/2014 at 5:56 AM, Lala81 said:

This time round i'll get a mid sized sedan while my kids are small.

Then in 4 yrs time when my FIL's van COE expire liao, then my wife will need a runabout. Probably go for something like a wish or one of the PI ones then.

 

IMO, betw wish and mz5, i think i'll go for a wish. Back aircon vents is not very important honestly for a mid sized MPV i feel. Not say this is a big Hiace van or what.

 

As far as I know that those PI that I have come into contact they may not have more than 2 airbags . You can try for Richburg or Motorways they may carry higher end ones .

 

  On 8/8/2014 at 4:46 AM, Enye said:

 

does PI offer 6/7 airbag option?

 

thanks.

 

[Lala81]

how much did u pay for your estima? OMV?

[yo2020]

  On 8/8/2014 at 5:17 AM, Wiiuwii said:

a random look at a A220 CDi, the road tax was $2xxx/mth.

$2xxx per year la (it's abt $22xx). dun scare ppl.