Helloworld99 1st Gear May 16, 2014 Share May 16, 2014 Ford really that good meh? I drove a Ford Taurus many years ago in United States and it was terrible (to me lah). I used to own a ford focus before and it is the only car that allows me to do a turn without stepping on the brakes. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarenn 2nd Gear May 16, 2014 Share May 16, 2014 Ford really that good meh? I drove a Ford Taurus many years ago in United States and it was terrible (to me lah). Talking about bnb car lah ...not exactly in your league Anyway American ford n Conti ford are not the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangadrool Supersonic May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 American market is about soft and floaty suspension, that's why Camry is no. 1 seller there. European market is about compact, good handler. That's why you have Toyota building Auris in UK for EU market that is close to VW Golf standards, but with usual Toyota's reliability intact. Talking about bnb car lah ...not exactly in your league Anyway American ford n Conti ford are not the same. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyklon 5th Gear May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 Contis do break down with high mileage and age, but so do jap cars. It is just how much it cost to repair when it breaks that make it more painful or less painful. Just FYI, there are many e90 bmw 3 series with >300,000km running around in overseas. You compare a altis or sunny to a bmw/merc, of course the repair bill will be cheaper for jap. When you compare the same category of car, the difference may be a lot lesser than you think. E.g. A $300 oil change at pml will also cost $300 at borneo...actually borneo charged more. Replace 1x oxygen sensor= $500+ at borneo... Reprogram ecu due to fault=$300 at borneo... And actually pml charges less for labour than borneo... So really, at the same level, both cost about the same to fix. Best is just go to outside workshop and fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer 4th Gear May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 To me, it is simple .... Drive a BMW, Merc and any Jap car along the bend from KJE towards BKE .... and one would be able to felt the difference between the different make. And of course .... drive liao feel more song.... i drive an s2k and one a160 how come the jap i feel more song? Or i lousy driver? Or u generalizing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karoon Turbocharged May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 Maybe MC, but the others doesn't comes close. Fiat! lol eh? talking about handling right, not reliability? fiat, skoda handling in manual is super. i would say on par with focus. if not for the harvest auto mess i would not think twice getting a superb. most value for money conti (value for money hor, like those ntu mba > harvard lol) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarenn 2nd Gear May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 eh? talking about handling right, not reliability? fiat, skoda handling in manual is super. i would say on par with focus. if not for the harvest auto mess i would not think twice getting a superb. most value for money conti (value for money hor, like those ntu mba > harvard lol) Handling as in the stability of the car at high speed around sharp bends, curvy roads, and giving good feel/feedback to the driver. Nothing to do with manual or auto transmission. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackyv Turbocharged May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 Handling as in the stability of the car at high speed around sharp bends, curvy roads, and giving good feel/feedback to the driver. Nothing to do with manual or auto transmission. Wrong... Manual or auto does make a difference on bends at high speed.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarenn 2nd Gear May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 (edited) Wrong... Manual or auto does make a difference on bends at high speed.. Context here is car (make) vs car on handling, not manual vs auto transmission.. Edited May 17, 2014 by Tarenn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super7 Turbocharged May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 i drive an s2k and one a160 how come the jap i feel more song? Or i lousy driver? Or u generalizing? Since he mentioned BMW, Merc, Jap car, why not put Z4, SLK, S2000 thru the same bend and see how? I think S2k wont sia xuay Jap car ba...... [grin] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karoon Turbocharged May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 Handling as in the stability of the car at high speed around sharp bends, curvy roads, and giving good feel/feedback to the driver. Nothing to do with manual or auto transmission. Which was why I compared manual fiat and skoda to focus on auto. Having owned all 3, I disagree with views that both lag behind the focus in handling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djdp Clutched May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 At least so far after 1.5 yrs, I have not regret getting a used 2006 S60 Servicing cost is on par but need more engine oil Parts- i know certain parts are a bit costly but general wear and tear is comparable to japs Some parts are more ex because they come in 1 whole set rather then that certain part that u need which is included un the set Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarenn 2nd Gear May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 Which was why I compared manual fiat and skoda to focus on auto. Having owned all 3, I disagree with views that both lag behind the focus in handling. Yes, we can have different views without going to war Fair comparison though should be apple vs apple, and also red apple vs red not green apple. Manual drive handles better than auto in the hands of a skilled driver, but that's off-tracked from the discussion. I've own pre-punto/bravo Fiats, and my former Octavia's handling (over-steering around bends) does not compare well with the Focus. The Superd should be compare with the Ford Mondeo class which handles better than the Focus. Likewise I cannot use the manual Focus ST for such general comparisons. Anyway, these are just my personal views and am not here to champion Ford. (I've no shares in Ford nor Regent Motor) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackyv Turbocharged May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 Happen to came across this link.......Go read up and laugh after that... Agree or don't doesn't really matter s long you are happy with your car... Hehe.. http://dougdemuro.jalopnik.com/german-reliability-the-greatest-myth-ever-sold-to-amer-1572026115 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wt_know Supersonic May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 (edited) is this one of the cheapest conti V8 in spore? http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=384987&DL=2292 Edited May 17, 2014 by Wt_know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpleonly 5th Gear May 17, 2014 Share May 17, 2014 very good advice, i dun think ts is saying BMW not good, just that if u planning to drive 1 for 10 years, or getting a 5 years BMW, u must be prepared to spend on maintiance, dun just buy the car base on monthly installation and insurace carpark, but leave out repair cost. Yeah lor..'just a gentle reminder to work out your costing... No need to get so work up.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer 4th Gear May 22, 2014 Share May 22, 2014 Since he mentioned BMW, Merc, Jap car, why not put Z4, SLK, S2000 thru the same bend and see how? I think S2k wont sia xuay Jap car ba...... [grin] mayb he think slk supercharger will tia the vtec! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etnt Turbocharged May 22, 2014 Share May 22, 2014 Yes, we can have different views without going to war Fair comparison though should be apple vs apple, and also red apple vs red not green apple. Manual drive handles better than auto in the hands of a skilled driver, but that's off-tracked from the discussion. I've own pre-punto/bravo Fiats, and my former Octavia's handling (over-steering around bends) does not compare well with the Focus. The Superd should be compare with the Ford Mondeo class which handles better than the Focus. Likewise I cannot use the manual Focus ST for such general comparisons. Anyway, these are just my personal views and am not here to champion Ford. (I've no shares in Ford nor Regent Motor) Also depend on generation of cars lor. Like the bnb focus (non ST/RS), the mk1 handles better than the mk2 imo, and I really feel the fiat grande punto lagging way behind the mk1 focus. So those who like focus, dunno which gen they like. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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