Should cyclists "Dismount and Push" at crossings?

[Ezfaun]

Maybe cyclists that ride on the road should have to qualify for their own license to do so? It's the teenagers and children on bikes that are mostly dangerous.

[inlinesix]

 

The worse is when you have to follow behind them through left turn pockets at 4-way junctions. You can't overtake and you have to wait for them to stop and check their right side etc and for them to slowly accelerate. To make matters worse, there will always be a car behind you awaiting to horn.

why do u follow behind them?

 

For defensive driving, i avoid them. If i am behind cyclist, i will move aside for the car behind to overtake me.

 

[Ezfaun]

why do u follow behind them?

 

For defensive driving, i avoid them. If i am behind cyclist, i will move aside for the car behind to overtake me.

 

Because I have to keep left for the next turn. But I don't blame them lah.. The side walk where this always happens is quite undulating. The only bad side is when there's an impatient bugger behind me honking away like I was at fault.

[RH1667]

Dismount and push?

 

I will be just happy if they stop at the crossing first to check traffic instead of just zooming across without checking.

 

If dismount and push, many FT cyclists will comprain to gahment that it's not feasible as too many such junctions to cross and doing so will injure their balls and virgina.

 

I also will be very happy if they at least stop at junction before zooming across the roads.

 

 

If dismount and push, many FT cyclists will comprain to gahment that it's not feasible as too many such junctions to cross and doing so will injure their balls and virgina.

 

than if government accept tis crap, can drivers also say too many junction to brake and stop and don't obey zebra crossing and traffic light?????

Edited May 12, 2014 by RH1667

[Jamesc]

The way the COE is going up, next time there will be a lot of people

 

that will not be buying another car when their present car's COE expires.

 

Then maybe some of these people will be using bicycles,

 

I just hope all the people that say cyclists should dismount and push

 

will actually do it when they start riding next time.

 

Also I am very sure the people that say cyclist should go for tests and

 

licencing will have forgotten about all this by then.

 

Edited May 12, 2014 by Jamesc

[Nzy]

To those cycling enthu, please stop being a prick and cycle in single file...

 

doesn't mean you group of 10 you king of the road..

 

you just look merely look like bowling pins waiting for a strike from a unattentive lorry..

 

god bless you..

 

10 is quite a big group. I think its easier to overtake them if they cycle abreast. If they cycle in a single file that will be quite a long row of cyclists you have to overtake. By cycling abreast in such a large group at least it cuts the length of the group by half.

[Mcf777]

Is these Two Cyclists our MIB beside the SPC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96zD5wz4bm4&feature=youtu.be

[Little_prince]

To those cycling enthu, please stop being a prick and cycle in single file...

 

doesn't mean you group of 10 you king of the road..

 

you just look merely look like bowling pins waiting for a strike from a unattentive lorry..

 

god bless you..

lol. I guess most drivers have a fantasy of doing exactly that when they see a bunch of cyclist cluster fark on a narrow road

[Knoobie]

lol. I guess most drivers have a fantasy of doing exactly that when they see a bunch of cyclist cluster fark on a narrow road

It does looks tempting!

 

10 is quite a big group. I think its easier to overtake them if they cycle abreast. If they cycle in a single file that will be quite a long row of cyclists you have to overtake. By cycling abreast in such a large group at least it cuts the length of the group by half.

I feel it's easier and safer if they stay in one file when people try to overtake them still..

[Ktglfc]

 

Actually the law is quite clear. Bicycles are treated as slow moving vehicular traffic. This also means they are disallowed on areas reserved for pedestrians, like crossings (without dismounting, which would make them pedestrians). The PCN is a notable exception, and is a new development built specifically for bicycles, but pedestrians are permitted on it as well (I disagree with this, because it gives the enthusiast cyclists the excuse that they have to go on the roads because they can't cycle fast on the PCN due to the human traffic).

 

So the law is quite clear, but enforcement is woefully deficient. All the TP has to do is enforce the existing laws strictly. But it's going to be a little difficult as long as cyclists have no identifiable registration on their vehicles or person. This is why I'm personally in favour of licensure for cyclists.

 

I once wrote to an MP regarding cyclists cycling on pedestrian walkways, when I was staying at parents flat in Jurong West.

(the road leading from JW stadium to the food centre opp City Harvest Church)

 

Gave suggestions such as broadening the walkway (abt 1.1m width) so that cyclists won't knock on pedestrians, and installing ballasts, etc. Well, all rejected.

 

They countered-offered a suggestion: putting more policemen at the walkways

I just laughed at this stupid suggestion when I received the email feedback.

 

And anyway, I have never seen any policeman standing at the walkway to deter cyclists

[Knoobie]

 

Sorry hor. Cyclists are allowed to cycle 2 side by side.

 

If lorry is unattentive, god bless both parties.

 

Lorry driver will lost his means of livelihood.

 

Cyclists will pay with their life loh.

It will be a grey area if you were to go by the rightest right of the rule.

 

(2) No bicycle shall be ridden on the right of any two other bicycles proceeding abreast in the same direction except when overtaking such other bicycles or on parts of roads or paths set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles.

[s 773/2004 wef 01/01/2005]

Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed.

 

c'mon.. i'm not even saying get off the road.. what i'm just saying is do something which is safer for everyone... do get so worked up..

 

you don't see drivers demanding them to do below too right?

 

Riders to give signals

5. The rider of a bicycle shall in order to inform traffic that he intends —

(a)

to ‘stop’ — hold out his right arm horizontally with the forearm vertical and with the palm of the hand to the front;

(b)

to ‘slow down’ — hold out his right arm horizontally with the palm of the hand downwards, and move the arm up and down several times;

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to ‘proceed to the right’ — hold out his right arm horizontally with the palm of the hand to the front; and

(d)

to ‘proceed to the left’ — hold out his left arm horizontally with the palm of the hand to the front.

[Nzy]

It does looks tempting!

I feel it's easier and safer if they stay in one file when people try to overtake them still..

 

I think it depends on how you overtake also. For drivers who overtake bicycles without even leaving that 1m or 1.5m gap, then they will prefer cyclists to cycle in a single file because this means they can overtake the cyclists even when there are cars on the next lane.

 

For a driver who leaves a safe distance between the cyclist and him, he'll definitely have to move out to the next lane to overtake so overtaking a large group is easier if they cycle abreast because he can quickly change lanes, overtake and move back to the left lane.

[Knoobie]

 

I think it depends on how you overtake also. For drivers who overtake bicycles without even leaving that 1m or 1.5m gap, then they will prefer cyclists to cycle in a single file because this means they can overtake the cyclists even when there are cars on the next lane.

 

For a driver who leaves a safe distance between the cyclist and him, he'll definitely have to move out to the next lane to overtake so overtaking a large group is easier if they cycle abreast because he can quickly change lanes, overtake and move back to the left lane.

I do leave a 1.5m gap when overtaking cyclist. and when I do so, usually when I overtake my left wheels may be on the lines.

 

If they are cycling abreast to each others, I will have to keep a 1.5m from the next cyclist which may result in driving on the rightest side of the 2nd lane. Meanwhile, I will have to look out for motorcyclist that lane split, or cars trying on the 1st lane.

 

the 1.5m safety gap I assume is from the cyclist and not from the kerb. so I have no idea why you would say it makes no difference.

 

unless the way you overtake cyclist is to just switch to the other lane regardless of how close they are to you.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Knoobie

[Nzy]

I do leave a 1.5m gap when overtaking cyclist. and when I do so, usually when I overtake my left wheels may be on the lines.

 

If they are cycling abreast to each others, I will have to keep a 1.5m from the next cyclist which may result in driving on the rightest side of the 2nd lane. Meanwhile, I will have to look out for motorcyclist that lane split, or cars trying on the 1st lane.

 

the 1.5m safety gap I assume is from the cyclist and not from the kerb. so I have no idea why you would say it makes no difference.

 

unless the way you overtake cyclist is to just switch to the other lane regardless of how close they are to you.

 

What I meant was that when overtaking a cyclist with 1m-1.5m gap, sure have to move out to the next lane. Cuz the width of a lane is about 3m and the cyclist will take at least 0.5m which means if you overtake with a 1m gap, there is only 1.5m of the lane left for your car so you still have to move to the next lane since most cars are wider than 1.5m.

 

So if the cyclists are cycling abreast doesn't it mean you spend less time overtaking?

[1fast1]

 

It will be a grey area if you were to go by the rightest right of the rule.

 

(2) No bicycle shall be ridden on the right of any two other bicycles proceeding abreast in the same direction except when overtaking such other bicycles or on parts of roads or paths set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles.

[s 773/2004 wef 01/01/2005]

Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed.

 

c'mon.. i'm not even saying get off the road.. what i'm just saying is do something which is safer for everyone... do get so worked up..

 

you don't see drivers demanding them to do below too right?

 

Riders to give signals

5. The rider of a bicycle shall in order to inform traffic that he intends —

(a)

to ‘stop’ — hold out his right arm horizontally with the forearm vertical and with the palm of the hand to the front;

(b)

to ‘slow down’ — hold out his right arm horizontally with the palm of the hand downwards, and move the arm up and down several times;

©

to ‘proceed to the right’ — hold out his right arm horizontally with the palm of the hand to the front; and

(d)

to ‘proceed to the left’ — hold out his left arm horizontally with the palm of the hand to the front.

 

 

Davidtch is right in this respect. 2 abreast is legal. 3 or more abreast is not.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Turboflat4

[Mcf777]

 

STOMP at the same time! That way they cannot peng wei.

na.....let u STOMP then and get the S$50

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96zD5wz4bm4

[Knoobie]

 

What I meant was that when overtaking a cyclist with 1m-1.5m gap, sure have to move out to the next lane. Cuz the width of a lane is about 3m and the cyclist will take at least 0.5m which means if you overtake with a 1m gap, there is only 1.5m of the lane left for your car so you still have to move to the next lane since most cars are wider than 1.5m.

 

So if the cyclists are cycling abreast doesn't it mean you spend less time overtaking?

Probably you're right. but maths aside, I still find it easier to overtake them if they are single file.

 

moreover, they are further away from traffic which I believe it's safer.

 

Davidtch is right in this respect. 2 abreast is legal. 3 or more abreast is not.

I don't deny that he's right.

 

but some times doing the right thing is not the safer and the best for everyone?

[1fast1]

Probably you're right. but maths aside, I still find it easier to overtake them if they are single file.

 

moreover, they are further away from traffic which I believe it's safer.

I don't deny that he's right.

 

but some times doing the right thing is not the safer and the best for everyone?

 

No disagreement with that.

 

Legal =/= safe

 

Illegal =/= unsafe

Edited May 12, 2014 by Turboflat4