Lotus Elise at NS Highway

[Super7]

 

I agree that "Intent" is key. While both are victims, and I would assume no rational person would like to be in either of the victim's shoes, there still was a choice on the driver's portion.

 

For the rape victim, no matter what she wears, the rapist will always be the one the blame rests on, as action was taken by the rapist, not the victim. For the speeding case, action to drive was taken by the driver. So there's a difference.

 

While I would rather both be treated with dignity, I would be more outraged if a rape victim was identified, rather than a driver who got into an accident mostly of his own accord.

 

I do agree with you up to 90%, but I guess, the last 10%, I'll just leave it as I have a different opinion from yours, and I wouldn't complain about the driver's face being published (though I agree it's insensitive).

Cheers and save drive all!

Such pictures serve as a reminder to drivers the road is both a useful and dangerous place with or without blocking out the face of the driver.

 

We also know different pple value privacy differently.

 

Makers of sunglasses will say "Wear your sunglasses, if you want privacy" !!

[Evillusion]

 

Wow... a solid little car. Lambo should learn from them. Every time they crash, it's cui cui cui...

Most supercars are designed that way. In a crash the car will sort of disintegrate to many fragments to dissipate the kinetic energy. If not wrong the engine is held by bolts that will shear off during a crash....but dont quote me....i read and heard it from Discovery Auto.

[1fast1]

I agree that "Intent" is key. While both are victims, and I would assume no rational person would like to be in either of the victim's shoes, there still was a choice on the driver's portion.

 

For the rape victim, no matter what she wears, the rapist will always be the one the blame rests on, as action was taken by the rapist, not the victim. For the speeding case, action to drive was taken by the driver. So there's a difference.

 

While I would rather both be treated with dignity, I would be more outraged if a rape victim was identified, rather than a driver who got into an accident mostly of his own accord.

 

I do agree with you up to 90%, but I guess, the last 10%, I'll just leave it as I have a different opinion from yours, and I wouldn't complain about the driver's face being published (though I agree it's insensitive).

Cheers and save drive all!

I'll have to modify my analogy a little - having looked it up, there have been no conclusive studies that have linked provocative dress to an increased likelihood of being raped, so I retract that. However, there have been studies that have determined that intoxication (by victim, and not just the perpetrator) is associated with a higher chance of getting assaulted sexually. So that's a better analogy - would it be OK to splash pictures of a rape victim if it was known that she was completely inebriated in a nightclub?

 

Clearly not. But she did show poor judgement in doing what she did, and studies have shown that this is a (clearly modifiable) risk factor for what happened to her. Still doesn't make it acceptable to humiliate her.

 

Same principle here. Studies have shown that speeding is associated with more serious accidents. Again, it's a clearly modifiable risk which the guy nevertheless undertook. Again, it *still* doesn't make it acceptable to humiliate him this way.

 

(I know it's not very PC to assign *any* blame at all on a woman for a terrible thing like rape. But one shouldn't ignore whatever scant scientific evidence exists - studies are hard to come by precisely because they are seen to be in bad taste. There are certainly behaviours that women can avoid to make things safer for themselves - like avoiding public inebriation).

 

Anyway, we're digressing a little off the point here, so let's stop with that. I just wanted to make the point that this guy is a victim too, and his intent was never to get in a car wreck, and I think that point has been clearly made.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Turboflat4

[Thaiyotakamli]

2 person i know died from driving lotus, the other one is indian guy at his 30s last year near nicoll highway/ecp i forgot

 

Is lotus safe?

[1fast1]

2 person i know died from driving lotus, the other one is indian guy at his 30s last year near nicoll highway/ecp i forgot

 

Is lotus safe?

Have driven a few. Basically, they're as close to driving a go-kart as you're going to get on the roads (with the exception of cars like the Ariel Atom, which are not street legal in Sg anyway). Very raw, extremely responsive and very nimble. The downside is there's nothing to save your a** if you screw up - no traction control or ABS.

 

I'm talking about the older models. I believe the newer models have been "diluted" by niceties like ABS and traction control. Makes them a lot safer, but also a lot less fun and raw.

 

 

The other major problem with the Elise on the highway is that people often can't see you coming. Just imagine those huge trucks and buses on the NS highway - you will be practically invisible to them, having such a low profile. That, coupled with the fact that you are quick enough to dart into their blind spot when they least expect it, is a recipe for disaster.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Turboflat4

[Nzy]

Have driven a few. Basically, they're as close to driving a go-kart as you're going to get on the roads (with the exception of cars like the Ariel Atom, which are not street legal in Sg anyway). Very raw, extremely responsive and very nimble. The downside is there's nothing to save your a** if you screw up - no traction control or ABS.

 

I'm talking about the older models. I believe the newer models have been "diluted" by niceties like ABS and traction control. Makes them a lot safer, but also a lot less fun and raw.

 

 

The other major problem with the Elise on the highway is that people often can't see you coming. Just imagine those huge trucks and buses on the NS highway - you will be practically invisible to them, having such a low profile. That, coupled with the fact that you are quick enough to dart into their blind spot when they least expect it, is a recipe for disaster.

 

The elise is really low. Few days ago there was one tailgating me along lornie road. I was going to make a u-turn so no choice but to stay on the right lane. He was so close I can only see the roof of his car. Doubt a taller SUV or truck can see him if he does that to them.

[Vega]

2 person i know died from driving lotus, the other one is indian guy at his 30s last year near nicoll highway/ecp i forgot

 

Is lotus safe?

 

its the driver. not the car.

Have driven a few. Basically, they're as close to driving a go-kart as you're going to get on the roads (with the exception of cars like the Ariel Atom, which are not street legal in Sg anyway). Very raw, extremely responsive and very nimble. The downside is there's nothing to save your a** if you screw up - no traction control or ABS.

 

I'm talking about the older models. I believe the newer models have been "diluted" by niceties like ABS and traction control. Makes them a lot safer, but also a lot less fun and raw.

 

 

The other major problem with the Elise on the highway is that people often can't see you coming. Just imagine those huge trucks and buses on the NS highway - you will be practically invisible to them, having such a low profile. That, coupled with the fact that you are quick enough to dart into their blind spot when they least expect it, is a recipe for disaster.

 

just like the old school Lambo.

Every time the driver get out from the car, he feels he just escape from hell.

[Atonchia]

 

ya.. some gila seow kia would speed even in the carpark.. you can hear engine roar and tyre screeching sound before the car even appear.

 

got to be careful even in a supposedly 10kmh carpark

 

Opps, I thought if there is not speed signage, always assume it's 50km/h.

Guess that's why now there put the speed limit signage in the carpark,

OK...I shall stick to 15km/h then

[Atonchia]

That's why very very important to put on "SEAT BELT" when driving even for a short distance.

 

One won't know what will happen in the next 200meters.....

 

Yup, I always ensure all my passenger strapped in too.

Even when I push my baby in the pram, I also ensure she is always buckled up in the pram. My FIL once asked is it necessary as it's a chore, I gave a very firm yes.

 

Rather err on the safe side...and survive

My parents in law used to like to hold on to the seat belt. I was like hold on for what? To avoid TP.

Actually I didn't realise they did not put on seat belt until one fine day I made hard brake at a traffic junction, mum in law slightly bump to front passenger seat. Thereafter always buckle up. I also ensure they buckle up before moving off.

 

Edited January 13, 2014 by Atonchia

[Hydrocarbon]

Anyway, we're digressing a little off the point here, so let's stop with that. I just wanted to make the point that this guy is a victim too, and his intent was never to get in a car wreck, and I think that point has been clearly made.

 

No worries, I understood your point. Still love the car anyway. Cheers!

 

Have driven a few. Basically, they're as close to driving a go-kart as you're going to get on the roads (with the exception of cars like the Ariel Atom, which are not street legal in Sg anyway). Very raw, extremely responsive and very nimble. The downside is there's nothing to save your a** if you screw up - no traction control or ABS.

 

I'm talking about the older models. I believe the newer models have been "diluted" by niceties like ABS and traction control. Makes them a lot safer, but also a lot less fun and raw.

 

The other major problem with the Elise on the highway is that people often can't see you coming. Just imagine those huge trucks and buses on the NS highway - you will be practically invisible to them, having such a low profile. That, coupled with the fact that you are quick enough to dart into their blind spot when they least expect it, is a recipe for disaster.

 

The Atom (knowledge from Top Gear / Clarkson) looks amazing, but as a daily driver, that would suck.

 

I like the Lotus coz of the low kerb weight (though when I sit inside, all weight savings are negated).. Would like to drive one in future, but seldom see HDB car parks with a Lotus inside, so maybe wait win the CNY toto or something first then can think of buying one..

 

But yeah, it's darn low, normal car can see them ok ba, but should be quite invisible to the trucks / large vehicles.

[Friendstar]

I quite enjoy reading the arguments here. very well thought and articulated.

 

Both views have their point