Alheych 6th Gear October 11, 2013 Share October 11, 2013 I would like to share an interesting observation with everyone, this is probably old news to many MCFers, but I really don't wish to start a new discussion about the necessity of the COE or ERP, enough threads have been opened for them. According to the Budget 2013 website, vehicle quota premiums (ie COE) and motor vehicle related taxes (road tax, ERP etc) contribute to 4% of the government's revenue each. That means altogether, vehicle-related taxes make up 8% of the government's income every year! Now I'm no tax expert and I don't how much vehicle taxes contribute to government revenues in other countries (maybe there'a tax accountant here who can contribute?), but personally, I find 8% quite high for anywhere. The government probably didn't start out with the intention to get so much tax from vehicles, but as they tried to curb vehicle population and ease congestion, they end up collecting more and more and found it to be a convenient source of income. And when you can count on that source for next year's budget, it's natural that you might not want to disturb this fat goose. My real question is this: has collecting so much money been an effective way to manage vehicular growth? Personally, I think we've been put on a path where we cannot afford to cease the COE and ERP, or all hell will break loose when everyone gets easy access to a car, when there are not enough car parks and not enough lanes. We'll become a Bangkok or a KL. And if an alternate government does take power, they may not want to let go of this fat goose even if they know it's not been effective. What do you think? ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acewin 4th Gear October 12, 2013 Share October 12, 2013 I would like to share an interesting observation with everyone, this is probably old news to many MCFers, but I really don't wish to start a new discussion about the necessity of the COE or ERP, enough threads have been opened for them. According to the Budget 2013 website, vehicle quota premiums (ie COE) and motor vehicle related taxes (road tax, ERP etc) contribute to 4% of the government's revenue each. That means altogether, vehicle-related taxes make up 8% of the government's income every year! Now I'm no tax expert and I don't how much vehicle taxes contribute to government revenues in other countries (maybe there'a tax accountant here who can contribute?), but personally, I find 8% quite high for anywhere. The government probably didn't start out with the intention to get so much tax from vehicles, but as they tried to curb vehicle population and ease congestion, they end up collecting more and more and found it to be a convenient source of income. And when you can count on that source for next year's budget, it's natural that you might not want to disturb this fat goose. My real question is this: has collecting so much money been an effective way to manage vehicular growth? Personally, I think we've been put on a path where we cannot afford to cease the COE and ERP, or all hell will break loose when everyone gets easy access to a car, when there are not enough car parks and not enough lanes. We'll become a Bangkok or a KL. And if an alternate government does take power, they may not want to let go of this fat goose even if they know it's not been effecti Since govt having so much from vehicle related tax, they should start to use the revenue to built double deck highway for PIE/CTE to ease the congestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banz86 5th Gear October 12, 2013 Share October 12, 2013 Wow.. I would say 8% as for our Singapore's GDP is really very high revenue. But from the current curbs imposed by the new regulations, you can see that this percent will increase substantially. With in release of more ERPs within next year, this growth will increase again. But nevertheless, with all the highway expansion and road resurfacing done by the government, they have at least done something using that amount of money. What I do not agree with is still the limited parking around the central areas and even now, the HDB parking. There is still an increase of vehicles which can be especially felt during peak hours. I think the priority now for the government is to reduce the congestion and increase parking with that revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMob 6th Gear October 12, 2013 Share October 12, 2013 Does that includes fines from traffic offences? should be more that that ba....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF 4th Gear October 12, 2013 Share October 12, 2013 (edited) I thot it will be higher than that........everyday (except Sundays and PHs) ERP $ coming in and every 2 weeks COEs' too...... Edited October 12, 2013 by WTF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokerd 2nd Gear October 12, 2013 Share October 12, 2013 Vehicle Quota Premiums, that's COE right? 4% of revenue Anyway from the budget 2013 website http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/budget_2013/revenue_expenditure/toc.html Account Code B40 Revenue Item MOTOR VEHICLE TAXES Actual FY2011 1,919,598,555 Estimated FY2012 1,577,353,000 Revised FY2012 1,764,289,000 Estimated FY2013 1,550,736,000 Change over -213,553,000 FY2012 -12.1 So the goverment made almost 2 billion from motor taxes, can't find for "Vehicle Quota Premiums" on the site but there's a licence for Transport and Communication line which is 2.4b, I wonder if this is it (Also note that there's a $38m revenue from traffic fines) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nullifi3d 4th Gear October 12, 2013 Share October 12, 2013 With all that money, dammit i say bring back the bendy buses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alheych 6th Gear October 12, 2013 Author Share October 12, 2013 yes vehicle quota premiums means COE. traffic offence fines, i think those are paid to HDB, URA, traffic police or other relevant agencies, so they go into the consolidated fund of the current government, which then distributes them for use in next year's budget again, until this term of government runs out. it would be a bit weird to say that fines contribute to your GDP as well, wouldn't it? Vehicle Quota Premiums, that's COE right? 4% of revenue Anyway from the budget 2013 website http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/budget_2013/revenue_expenditure/toc.html Account Code B40 Revenue Item MOTOR VEHICLE TAXES Actual FY2011 1,919,598,555 Estimated FY2012 1,577,353,000 Revised FY2012 1,764,289,000 Estimated FY2013 1,550,736,000 Change over -213,553,000 FY2012 -12.1 So the goverment made almost 2 billion from motor taxes, can't find for "Vehicle Quota Premiums" on the site but there's a licence for Transport and Communication line which is 2.4b, I wonder if this is it (Also note that there's a $38m revenue from traffic fines) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firecracker Neutral Newbie October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 I would like to share an interesting observation with everyone, this is probably old news to many MCFers, but I really don't wish to start a new discussion about the necessity of the COE or ERP, enough threads have been opened for them. According to the Budget 2013 website, vehicle quota premiums (ie COE) and motor vehicle related taxes (road tax, ERP etc) contribute to 4% of the government's revenue each. That means altogether, vehicle-related taxes make up 8% of the government's income every year! Now I'm no tax expert and I don't how much vehicle taxes contribute to government revenues in other countries (maybe there'a tax accountant here who can contribute?), but personally, I find 8% quite high for anywhere. The government probably didn't start out with the intention to get so much tax from vehicles, but as they tried to curb vehicle population and ease congestion, they end up collecting more and more and found it to be a convenient source of income. And when you can count on that source for next year's budget, it's natural that you might not want to disturb this fat goose. My real question is this: has collecting so much money been an effective way to manage vehicular growth? Personally, I think we've been put on a path where we cannot afford to cease the COE and ERP, or all hell will break loose when everyone gets easy access to a car, when there are not enough car parks and not enough lanes. We'll become a Bangkok or a KL. And if an alternate government does take power, they may not want to let go of this fat goose even if they know it's not been effective. What do you think? Tks for sharing. That's an astounding statistic. I don't see the possibility of any government foregoing this steady revenue stream. Just look at what's happening in the US now with bankrupt states and risk of credit defaults. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civic6228 6th Gear October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 Tks for sharing. That's an astounding statistic. I don't see the possibility of any government foregoing this steady revenue stream. Just look at what's happening in the US now with bankrupt states and risk of credit defaults. The pie chart is showing the figures for Y2011, if the chart is based on the Y2012/Y2013, would it be different ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucky2007 Turbocharged October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 Wow 8%! 大嘴青 bug fat bonus! The pie chart is showing the figures for Y2011, if the chart is based on the Y2012/Y2013, would it be different ? at least 10-12% in 2012,2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMob 6th Gear October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 But those departments are always telling you that they made a loss from upgrading and improvement projects.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evillusion Supersonic October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 But those departments are always telling you that they made a loss from upgrading and improvement projects..tell u a secret....dont tell anyone....to them collecting lesser from the projected income is a loss! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid Hypersonic October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 LKY "What's wrong with collecting more money?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplecar 4th Gear October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 a positive Budget is good for SGP. Many HH have gotten rebates and handouts from this surplus budget. When Budget Day arrives, people are waiting for their goodies. How many countries can do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 Singapore has no other resource, taxes become the main source, not many countries can think of or able to generate income from selling car (better than the car salesmen) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xefera 6th Gear October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 Since govt having so much from vehicle related tax, they should start to use the revenue to built double deck highway for PIE/CTE to ease the congestion. They are already doing that by "upsizing" the major highways and building a new N-S highway to accommodate peak hours traffic. the only tangible way is to work the sums of LTA tender projects against collected revenue to find out if much of the monies are channelled into faciliting better road conditions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maseratigood 5th Gear October 13, 2013 Share October 13, 2013 LKY "What's wrong with collecting more money?" El Kaye Whye worries we all cant handle this TRUTH, that's why they use COE, ARF, ERP, etc etc to sugar-coat the TRUTH ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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