Gulf war redux in Syria?

[Volvobrick]

  On 7/24/2018 at 4:48 PM, Sosaria said:

Iran is actually the most stable and progressive state now in middle East. USA propaganda paints them as hard-line theocracy but in terms of women's rights and other liberal ideas they are ahead of many Arab countries. Partly due to sanctions over the years, the population is actually quite educated and they are self reliant in terms of technology. They are one of the main backers of Assad in terms of actually having boots on the ground thru their militia.

 

Yeah - they have women doctors, women driving around, women ministers etc for a long time.  They trust their own men enough that women can roam freely without a male guardian.

 

Only problem they have is with Saudi and Israel.  Of course we know USA is run by Jews and thus the unwavering support for Israel, while Saudi is a big buyer of US arms.

[Victor68]

Anywhere in the world, as long as you have USA involvement, it is a mess. Why don't they bring all these mess back home to play? 

 

The USA era has to end. Maybe Trump will help to expedite this. 

[Beregond]

  On 7/24/2018 at 5:28 PM, Volvobrick said:

Yeah - they have women doctors, women driving around, women ministers etc for a long time.  They trust their own men enough that women can roam freely without a male guardian.

 

Only problem they have is with Saudi and Israel.  Of course we know USA is run by Jews and thus the unwavering support for Israel, while Saudi is a big buyer of US arms.

look at all the act of israel in recent months.

 

almost 0 report in local news, 

 

see how sstrong our own propaganda is

[Evillusion]

  On 7/24/2018 at 1:41 PM, Lala81 said:

Ignoring the human suffering and the gross atrocities on both sides, I would argue that tough luck for the Syrians, but overall its more stable for the middle East. At least ISIL is in check once more.

 

Look at libya, Egypt post Arab spring. Worse than they started out. Revolution is a bloody messy business.

 

And many people forget that what happens later may not be better. Especially given the tribal tensions and sunni shiite issue.

Revolution in the middle east and central african countries! Watch this video..........we will wonder whose hands are actually smeared with blood and why the middle east and african countries are in a mess now.https://youtu.be/rz5fZziMWEE Edited July 25, 2018 by Eviilusion

[Lala81]

  On 7/24/2018 at 4:48 PM, Sosaria said:

Iran is actually the most stable and progressive state now in middle East. USA propaganda paints them as hard-line theocracy but in terms of women's rights and other liberal ideas they are ahead of many Arab countries. Partly due to sanctions over the years, the population is actually quite educated and they are self reliant in terms of technology. They are one of the main backers of Assad in terms of actually having boots on the ground thru their militia.

 

USA sides with Saudi. So that's why the lines are drawn. Granted the Iran of the 70s and 80s was not a friendly one post revolution given that US backed the Shah.

  On 7/25/2018 at 12:45 AM, Victor68 said:

Anywhere in the world, as long as you have USA involvement, it is a mess. Why don't they bring all these mess back home to play? 

 

The USA era has to end. Maybe Trump will help to expedite this. 

 

That's a simplistic way of thinking that is brought on by anything that USA does is bad.

The ottomans ruled the middle east for several hundred years. Over that time, many of the wars they fought internally were in the middle east.

Mind u the reason they invaded the middle east was not for natural resources gain but partly because they were so troublesome and the need to hold mecca.

 

The middle east has been a fractitious region since day zero.

[Volvobrick]

  On 7/25/2018 at 12:58 AM, Eviilusion said:

Revolution in the middle east and central african countries! Watch this video..........we will wonder whose hands are actually smeared with blood and why the middle east and african countries are in a mess now.https://youtu.be/rz5fZziMWEE

 

No need to watch also know already！ So called defenders and promoters of democracy, human rights.

 

As long as Trump does not invade Iran, I think he is actually not creating more mess in middle east compared to previous presidents.

 

If he does, it will be at least 30 more years of new conflict.

  On 7/25/2018 at 12:45 AM, Victor68 said:

 

The USA era has to end. Maybe Trump will help to expedite this. 

 

Nay - Trump is temporary, Only 6 more years of him at most.  The beauty of the US political system is no one leader can cock it up for too long.  Unlike many countries here with entrenched governments, things can really go very bad.

[Evillusion]

  On 7/25/2018 at 1:05 AM, Volvobrick said:

No need to watch also know already！ So called defenders and promoters of democracy, human rights.

 

As long as Trump does not invade Iran, I think he is actually not creating more mess in middle east compared to previous presidents.

 

If he does, it will be at least 30 more years of new conflict.

trump oredy threatened Iran.....it was in the news....

[Beregond]

  On 7/25/2018 at 1:05 AM, Volvobrick said:

No need to watch also know already！ So called defenders and promoters of democracy, human rights.

 

As long as Trump does not invade Iran, I think he is actually not creating more mess in middle east compared to previous presidents.

 

If he does, it will be at least 30 more years of new conflict.

US dun need invade iran to kill them

 

they just need to block off their oil shipment.

 

there are already threats of that coming,

 

and iran threaten to start a ww3 or nuke war if that happen

[Lala81]

  On 7/25/2018 at 1:08 AM, Volvobrick said:

No need to watch also know already！ So called defenders and promoters of democracy, human rights.

 

As long as Trump does not invade Iran, I think he is actually not creating more mess in middle east compared to previous presidents.

 

If he does, it will be at least 30 more years of new conflict.

 

Nay - Trump is temporary, Only 6 more years of him at most.  The beauty of the US political system is no one leader can cock it up for too long.  Unlike many countries here with entrenched governments, things can really go very bad.

 

Erm no.

He recognised Jerusalem as being solely under Israel and hence forget about the palestine state.

 

Granted it's not Arab spring or outright war, that alone is ....

[Chongster]

Btw all the major terrorist organization, at least those that exports terrorism, are Sunni, not shiite... ISIS, al qaeda, taliban. Herzbollah is the main shitte one, but doesn’t really attack anybody outside isreal, and would be labeled freedom fighters if they are on the Americans side....

Edited July 25, 2018 by Chongster

[Evillusion]

  On 7/25/2018 at 1:05 AM, Lala81 said:

USA sides with Saudi. So that's why the lines are drawn. Granted the Iran of the 70s and 80s was not a friendly one post revolution given that US backed the Shah.

 

 

That's a simplistic way of thinking that is brought on by anything that USA does is bad.

The ottomans ruled the middle east for several hundred years. Over that time, many of the wars they fought internally were in the middle east.

Mind u the reason they invaded the middle east was not for natural resources gain but partly because they were so troublesome and the need to hold mecca.

 

The middle east has been a fractitious region since day zero.

Following the fall of the Ottoman Empire and subsequent colonosation by the brits, the predecessors of the House of Saud were actually warlords and not kings. Some even said they were gangsters...

[Lala81]

  On 7/25/2018 at 1:15 AM, Chongster said:

Btw all the major terrorist organization, at least those that exports terrorism, are Sunni, not shiite... ISIS, al qaeda, taliban. Herzbollah is the main shitte one, but doesn’t really attack anybody outside isreal, and would be labeled freedom fighters if they are on the Americans side....

 

There's atrocities on both sides to say the least and neither parties can claim the moral high ground.

[Evillusion]

  On 7/25/2018 at 1:15 AM, Chongster said:

Btw all the major terrorist organization, at least those that exports terrorism, are Sunni, not shiite... ISIS, al qaeda, taliban. Herzbollah is the main shitte one, but doesn’t really attack anybody outside isreal, and would be labeled freedom fighters if they are on the Americans side....

and when did this terrorist organisation started their terrorism? Taliban was in peace talks with US until September 11 (not reported internationally) and had a delegation in Washington when the plane struck. Taliban was only fighting for their country and had never done overseas terror. Alqaeda usually dont attack soft target and pre-911 their target was usually the military.

When they invaded iraq and 'liberated' it they opened a can of worms and actually destabilised the whole region......now Libya and Syria is a quagmire with every major powers having a fist on the table.

[Weez911]

Since all the Israeli Palestine threads are now locked, I continue the recent conflict here.

Any thoughts on the recent development between Israel army and Hamas rockets?

I think Viola Davis has described the whole event well chronologically. 

 

[RadX]

Whatever it is, steer clear of religious sentiments

 

once that erupts, this thread is locked

 

i have seen many Ugly threads out there on this. So we need to nip it in the bud.

 

discuss over there if you feel strongly abt it

[Weez911]

Bernie Sanders wrote a beautiful piece in NY Times against the ultra right Israeli leader.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/opinion/bernie-sanders-israel-palestine-gaza.amp.html%3f0p19G=2103

[Weez911]

  On 5/17/2021 at 5:55 AM, RadX said:

Whatever it is, steer clear of religious sentiments

once that erupts, this thread is locked

i have seen many Ugly threads out there on this. So we need to nip it in the bud.

discuss over there if you feel strongly abt it

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Yep agree with keeping religion out.

I'm trying to steer towards left-right spectrum and humanity cause of the oppressed between 2 states of David and Goliath proportions.

Edited May 17, 2021 by Weez911

[Victor68]

  On 5/17/2021 at 5:55 AM, RadX said:

Whatever it is, steer clear of religious sentiments

 

once that erupts, this thread is locked

 

i have seen many Ugly threads out there on this. So we need to nip it in the bud.

 

discuss over there if you feel strongly abt it

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It is only in name they are fighting for religion. Those behind are for power and money. Whenever USA is involved, it is always conflicts. They are just best at stirring shits on other people land. When will be their own turn?