Japan Navy's latest "Destroyer"

[Renegade777]

Can carry F-35B Stovl.. US of A lauch F-35B straight off the deck using STO... this Jap destroyer carrier will be a match for the Chinese aircraft carrier, esp if the F-35B employs Viffing & its higher tech to counter the Flankers bigger might... China asking for it from the other Asian nations now...

 

Sad that you have given me the impression that you have forgotten WW2. That self defence force thingy is to prevent history from repeating itself. If it happens again, you may be running for your life. I rather have someone to keep them in check.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Renegade777

[Jubilong]

With China becoming aggressive.

Japan always play punk with ww2 history.

 

It's aliens vs predators. ..

 

Exactly, but for a country that uses three currencies, they better learn from history.

 

[Playtime]

Exactly, but for a country that uses three currencies, they better learn from history.

 

Huh?.. dont understand the 3 currency thingy.

[Thaiyotakamli]

For the military enthusiasts here. I am not very familiar with naval arms but destroyer technology has certainly evolved

 

Link

 

 

 

 

 

Arms race in Asia is heating up. China sure jump high high

 

In other news, this one is called armoured car:

 

 

 

This one is personal air transport:

 

 

 

Liaoning bigger and better, equipped with latest sukhoi plane unlike japanese aircraft carrier with heli

 

[Thaiyotakamli]

And it doesn't help when the Japanese keep trolling on China, see this Japansese plastic modelkitBoxart of the "destroyer".

 

 

The sinking carrier at the backgound(arrowed) looks uncanny like the chinese's...Notice the ramp..

The japanese must be living in their own anime world haha

i see Japan's strength about 1/5 of China

[Wishcumstrue]

Besides the IJN Yamato and IJN Musashi, there is a 3rd sister ship, the IJN Shinano.

Started work as a battleship, but halfway through changed to an Aircraft Carrier.

 

Shinano was also sunk only 10 days after going into operation - kenna torpedoed by a US sub.

 

[I-LOVE-CARS]

What are the official air complement of the new destroyer?

To built a helicopter carrier and carry a few Chinooks would be a waste.

Maybe they would have US Marines AH-1Z super cobra for air cover and ground assault.

This vessel is more similar to an amphibious assault ship than a full aircraft carrier.

 

Air Complement:

Hyuga Class Destroyer [16DDH/18DDH]

Usual Air Wing: 3x SH-60K, 1x MC-101[up to 11 Helicopters]

 

Izumo Class Destroyer [22DDH/24DDH]

Usual Air Wing: 7x ASW Helicopters (SH-60K), 2x SAR Helicopters (MC-101) [up to 14 Helicopters]

 

 

[Wishcumstrue]

Air Complement:

Hyuga Class Destroyer [16DDH/18DDH]

Usual Air Wing: 3x SH-60K, 1x MC-101[up to 11 Helicopters]

 

Izumo Class Destroyer [22DDH/24DDH]

Usual Air Wing: 7x ASW Helicopters (SH-60K), 2x SAR Helicopters (MC-101) [up to 14 Helicopters]

 

When its a Spade, call it Spade.

 

Calling Izumo as a "destroyer" is legally-correct, but factually a misnomer.

 

I see Japan now have at least 3 aircraft carriers - Hyūga(360), Ise ( 371) & their latest Izumo-class .

 

All that is missing an a wing of F-35B.

 

This photo comparison says it all.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Wishcumstrue

[Alheych]

When its a Spade, call it Spade.

 

Calling Izumo as a "destroyer" is legally-correct, but factually a misnomer.

 

I see Japan now have at least 3 aircraft carriers - Hyūga(360), Ise ( 371) & their latest Izumo-class .

 

All that is missing an a wing of F-35B.

 

This photo comparison says it all.

 

yes, i think everyone 心照不宣

 

but if they want to delve into such loopholes, there's really very little that others can (or want to) do about it. US may feel a bit uncomfortable but it wants to continue letting japan act as a force to tie down china, so it won't do anything about it. at most "keenly observe".

Edited August 23, 2013 by Alheych

[Lurpsexx]

Sad that you have given me the impression that you have forgotten WW2. That self defence force thingy is to prevent history from repeating itself. If it happens again, you may be running for your life. I rather have someone to keep them in check.

 

On the contrary bro, I'm a follower of military affairs since WW 2.. tho history is not to be forgotten n to be learned from, past roles are not static. Everything is Fluid in world affairs, and with China's rapid economic rise n it's riches, it's beginning to flex its political economic n military ambitions onto the world stage. Some describe it as China ascent into the top rung of the world stage, while others are wary of its territorial grabs.. Japan n other Asian nations arming up now is a direct response of China's recent land claims on territories it had not claimed before.. and with China's claim of the entire south China sea as its own, it's not hard to see Vietnam Philippines resisting now.. Philippines military upgrades were dormant for many years but picked up steam in recent years after incursions by China's pseudo military (their coast guard).. Japan could Hv n certainly can build a much more capable military than it is now, but we're held back by their pacifist constitution.. Now it's reacting to China increased belligerence tit for tat.. Japan could certainly go nuclear if it wanted to.. Now the rules Hv switched n the oft cried past victim is instead the new aggressor now..

[Wishcumstrue]

yes, i think everyone 心照不宣

 

but if they want to delve into such loopholes, there's really very little that others can (or want to) do about it. US may feel a bit uncomfortable but it wants to continue letting japan act as a force to tie down china, so it won't do anything about it. at most "keenly observe".

 

That makes me ever more suspicious of Japan's intention since it is very obvious to everyone the design of Izumo isn't exactly a "destroyer".

As for US, it will turn a blind eye to this even it means Japan rearming again as long as it serve US's interest.

 

I guess, from the US view, a militarised Japan maybe a necessary evil to "tie down China".

 

Of course, China will not be idly watching and will response with its own naval build up.

Edited August 24, 2013 by Wishcumstrue

[Coolad]

Problem with China is its huge inherent corruption and "in-fighting". It is rampant in every walks of life including the military. So will seriously doubt its combat effectiveness if hell were to broke loose... and those human waves techniques that they are so fond of are out-dated and negated by modern weapons...

 

Again.. experience is the deciding factor... combat toughened units are the critical chess pieces... if you look closely at modern Chinese war history.. they are never really fought a big conflict on their own.. WWII (with aids/training from US), Korean War (with aids/training from Soviets)... the only significant one was the Sino-Vietnam war which they took huge casualties to beat the Vietnamese.

[Happily1986]

Problem with China is its huge inherent corruption and "in-fighting". It is rampant in every walks of life including the military. So will seriously doubt its combat effectiveness if hell were to broke loose... and those human waves techniques that they are so fond of are out-dated and negated by modern weapons...

 

Again.. experience is the deciding factor... combat toughened units are the critical chess pieces... if you look closely at modern Chinese war history.. they are never really fought a big conflict on their own.. WWII (with aids/training from US), Korean War (with aids/training from Soviets)... the only significant one was the Sino-Vietnam war which they took huge casualties to beat the Vietnamese.

 

Oh really? So driving the combined might of the UN force from near the Yalu river to slightly beyond the 38th parallel counts for naught?

Considering that the Chinese was a motley rat tag band as opposed to the UN forces.

[Lurpsexx]

Oh really? So driving the combined might of the UN force from near the Yalu river to slightly beyond the 38th parallel counts for naught?

Considering that the Chinese was a motley rat tag band as opposed to the UN forces.

 

Bro, pardon my very limited knowledge of the Korean War, but i think the chinese were hardly a rag tag group.. they were huge in numbers though employed peasant guerilla tactics, and had proper ORBAT..

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

[Suv8]

For the military enthusiasts here. I am not very familiar with naval arms but destroyer technology has certainly evolved

 

Link

 

 

 

 

 

Arms race in Asia is heating up. China sure jump high high

 

In other news, this one is called armoured car:

 

 

 

This one is personal air transport:

 

 

 

 

 

It is the same sneaky way the Nazis rearmed after WW1 to commence WW2 . Never trust the Japs. They try to change their role in history in the war under every government and their leaders' annual trips to the shrine speaks volumes about their attitude to their neighbors.

[Scion]

On the contrary bro, I'm a follower of military affairs since WW 2.. tho history is not to be forgotten n to be learned from, past roles are not static. Everything is Fluid in world affairs, and with China's rapid economic rise n it's riches, it's beginning to flex its political economic n military ambitions onto the world stage. Some describe it as China ascent into the top rung of the world stage, while others are wary of its territorial grabs.. Japan n other Asian nations arming up now is a direct response of China's recent land claims on territories it had not claimed before.. and with China's claim of the entire south China sea as its own, it's not hard to see Vietnam Philippines resisting now.. Philippines military upgrades were dormant for many years but picked up steam in recent years after incursions by China's pseudo military (their coast guard).. Japan could Hv n certainly can build a much more capable military than it is now, but we're held back by their pacifist constitution.. Now it's reacting to China increased belligerence tit for tat.. Japan could certainly go nuclear if it wanted to.. Now the rules Hv switched n the oft cried past victim is instead the new aggressor now..

 

 

i won't say China is an aggressor now

 

which territories has it invaded now? none

 

it claims some islands in dispute, but so do Japan, Korea, Russia, etc

 

claiming islands is one thing, starting a full-scale war is another

Edited August 25, 2013 by Scion

[The_Bear]

i won't say China is an aggressor now

 

which territories has it invaded now? none

 

it claims some islands in dispute, but so do Japan, Korea, Russia, etc

 

claiming islands is one thing, starting a full-scale war is another

 

You have to claim first before everything else.

[Coolad]

Oh really? So driving the combined might of the UN force from near the Yalu river to slightly beyond the 38th parallel counts for naught?

Considering that the Chinese was a motley rat tag band as opposed to the UN forces.

 

As I said only with Soviet backing... and with recent declassified information the Chinese conceded that by 1953... they are on the verge of total collapse (putting up a brave front is all they have, chief of defence had to implore to Mao that its no longer possible to carry on the war). they commited >1billion men in their own backyard to oust the UN... but could get no further than north of 38th parallel.