Call for levy on S'pore cars entering JB

[Elfenstar]

In AUS, what's the alternative for drivers who do not want to pay such money, join the jams, or take buses/trains? Here in SGP, if and when our trains/buses systems are improved so that users really prefer using them instead of driving, maybe LTA can raise ERP/parking charges much higher.

 

Join the jam or take the train (which really isn't any better) than our MRT. A lot of people drive to a train station then jump on the train too.

[Maseratigood]

Join the jam or take the train (which really isn't any better) than our MRT. A lot of people drive to a train station then jump on the train too.

Yup, now remember they have lots of parking spaces next to train stations for park n ride

 

Also remember seeing double decker trains bring people into the cities

[Elfenstar]

Yup, now remember they have lots of parking spaces next to train stations for park n ride

 

Also remember seeing double decker trains bring people into the cities

 

You must have been there either before or after me. I don't remember any double decker trains. The thing is parking is limited so we parked in the surrounding areas as well. The diff is that parking charges or parking time limits are only for high traffic and residential areas only. More of less what we should be doing here, say build more MSCP near train stations, and cap parking at say $5 per 12 hours (or part thereof). Combine that with increasing train frequency to match say HK (very similar trains and system) and I'm sure less people will drive into congested areas.

[Shull]

Join the jam or take the train (which really isn't any better) than our MRT. A lot of people drive to a train station then jump on the train too.

 

The difference is, parking in suburbs is almost always free.. that's how much land they have there..

[Shull]

Curious:- What's your threshold for paying for n enjoying empty roads n carparks?

 

One only have to look at Jakarta to appreciate our traffic reduction measures.

 

The other day, i was stuck in a Jakarta jam for 2 hours, NOT MOVING, because a container truck overturned 10+km up the road, and all the surrounding roads become a gridlock. Only manage to got out from the jam when we paid some construction workers to open a gap in the temporary road divider and u-turned out of it.

 

Heard from the radio the next morning that the jam only cleared up 12 hours later.

 

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of ERP and COE system, but i feel that it's a necessary evil. Now, even in the worse kind of traffic, we still can get from one end of the island to the other end in under 2 hours. That kind of distance, needs around 3 hours in Jakarta, under NORMAL conditions. Even though i may make noise about paying ERP, but it somehow helps in moderating our traffic.

[BlueOldMan]

I'm one of them Sometimes I just drive up to KL just to have coffee and dinner with friends then drive back

 

I only do Sg rengit or Kota tinggi or furthest mlk for a meal

U champion

Respect

[Maseratigood]

One only have to look at Jakarta to appreciate our traffic reduction measures.

 

The other day, i was stuck in a Jakarta jam for 2 hours, NOT MOVING, because a container truck overturned 10+km up the road, and all the surrounding roads become a gridlock. Only manage to got out from the jam when we paid some construction workers to open a gap in the temporary road divider and u-turned out of it.

 

Heard from the radio the next morning that the jam only cleared up 12 hours later.

 

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of ERP and COE system, but i feel that it's a necessary evil. Now, even in the worse kind of traffic, we still can get from one end of the island to the other end in under 2 hours. That kind of distance, needs around 3 hours in Jakarta, under NORMAL conditions. Even though i may make noise about paying ERP, but it somehow helps in moderating our traffic.

It's also about practical options for commuters to move from A to B. If a place like SGP has a road system, as an option, for private cars to move say 50% of its commuters in relatively congestion-free manner, the other options eg trains n buses etc will need to be good enough to move the remaining 50%.

 

Assuming the current COE quota represents using private cars to move X% of the commuters, we will need sufficient train, bus system to move the remaining (100-X)% of the commuters. Hopefully whatever Improvements are being undertaken in our train/bus systems will reach such a equilibrium soon.

[Elfenstar]

I only do Sg rengit or Kota tinggi or furthest mlk for a meal

U champion

Respect

 

I've learnt that the trick is to stick to their road speed limit or slower. It's less tiring (though you might want to crank up the radio if you get bored easily).

[Elfenstar]

The difference is, parking in suburbs is almost always free.. that's how much land they have there..

 

Thats true, but it's about adapting to suit. I figure say charging say $5 for 12 hours or part thereof between 7am and 8pm at one carpark near to or adjacent to a MRT station would increase the number of people who would park there and take the train to work as it would be cheaper than driving in and parking.

[BlueOldMan]

I've learnt that the trick is to stick to their road speed limit or slower. It's less tiring (though you might want to crank up the radio if you get bored easily).

 

Huh then I wanna slp leh

[Voodooman]

Thats true, but it's about adapting to suit. I figure say charging say $5 for 12 hours or part thereof between 7am and 8pm at one carpark near to or adjacent to a MRT station would increase the number of people who would park there and take the train to work as it would be cheaper than driving in and parking.

 

They are already charging less than $2 per day for the parking. This scheme works quite well, I must say as pricing is attractive, $70 for parking and train rides (partial).

 

HOW MUCH DOES THE P&R SET COST?

 

First Purchase of P&R Set

 

Travel Deposit = $5 (Refundable)

Park & Ride card = $40 (Non-refundable travel value)

Season Parking Ticket = $30

Total cost = $75

Subsequent Purchase of P&R Set

(The Park & Ride card must be produced at the Ticket Office for subsequent purchase)

 

Park & Ride card = $40 (Non-refundable travel value)

Card Deposit Top-up (if required) = Top-up amount will vary depending on previous month's excess usage.

Season Parking Ticket = $30

Total cost = $70

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[Elfenstar]

They are already charging less than $2 per day for the parking. This scheme works quite well, I must say as pricing is attractive, $70 for parking and train rides (partial).

 

HOW MUCH DOES THE P&R SET COST?

 

First Purchase of P&R Set

 

Travel Deposit = $5 (Refundable)

Park & Ride card = $40 (Non-refundable travel value)

Season Parking Ticket = $30

Total cost = $75

Subsequent Purchase of P&R Set

(The Park & Ride card must be produced at the Ticket Office for subsequent purchase)

 

Park & Ride card = $40 (Non-refundable travel value)

Card Deposit Top-up (if required) = Top-up amount will vary depending on previous month's excess usage.

Season Parking Ticket = $30

Total cost = $70

Back to Top

 

Yup I know, but it's limited to some train stations only right?

[Voodooman]

Yup I know, but it's limited to some train stations only right?

 

More than 40 locations and growing, if you drive, there will be a station near you.

 

I might consider this option when CBD parking climbs to astronomical level.

[13177]

Actually Park & Ride quite a good alternative way to save money if you work in town area but drive to work. Usually sure to have one mrt station near the town area. Just take few stops away to reach your work place. But dont know whether is there any limit on the number of Park & Ride parking ticket issue? Or it is based on first-come-first serve basic?

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[Jman888]

also Jakarta hardly rain, but once it rain that's it! [laugh]

 

One only have to look at Jakarta to appreciate our traffic reduction measures.

 

The other day, i was stuck in a Jakarta jam for 2 hours, NOT MOVING, because a container truck overturned 10+km up the road, and all the surrounding roads become a gridlock. Only manage to got out from the jam when we paid some construction workers to open a gap in the temporary road divider and u-turned out of it.

 

Heard from the radio the next morning that the jam only cleared up 12 hours later.

 

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of ERP and COE system, but i feel that it's a necessary evil. Now, even in the worse kind of traffic, we still can get from one end of the island to the other end in under 2 hours. That kind of distance, needs around 3 hours in Jakarta, under NORMAL conditions. Even though i may make noise about paying ERP, but it somehow helps in moderating our traffic.

 

[Jman888]

something similar to HK CBD would be nice

 

More than 40 locations and growing, if you drive, there will be a station near you.

 

I might consider this option when CBD parking climbs to astronomical level.

 

 

 

[Voodooman]

Actually Park & Ride quite a good alternative way to save money if you work in town area but drive to work. Usually sure to have one mrt station near the town area. Just take few stops away to reach your work place. But dont know whether is there any limit on the number of Park & Ride parking ticket issue? Or it is based on first-come-first serve basic?

 

Credit must be given when due, it is definitely not priced at "market" and our scholars have taken positive externalities into consideration when pricing the scheme.

 

It is first come first serve, some location very difficult to get, I heard.

[Voodooman]

something similar to HK CBD would be nice

 

Don't have to HK's level but generally usage cost must be more than opportunity cost (depreciation, monthly instalment, insurance, fixed cost in a nutshell) for driving behavior to change significantly. $2 ERP versus $2k a month instalment, what a joke!

 

But I think CBD parking will get closer to HK or NY or London pricing with the new planning rule ie. less parking space per GFA of new building. So this is my plan B. LOL...