Will u buy Diesel or Petrol Cars in SG

[inlinesix]

Yeah that is the hidden beauty of electic motor/hybrid.

 

Alot of times, the taxi lau at the traffic light, inching forwardand stepped hard on their pedal on green, gave up within 4-5 car lengths when they realized they cannot cut in front of me ..so guai guai had to slow down and cut behind me....  One of my rare few guilty pleasures on the road...

 

Electric motor will drop off after 40km/h.  Engine will start from thereon.

 

Next time, i see Prius.  I drag race it. 

 

[inlinesix]

Haha true

[Vratenza]

Prius you can try... but there are different application of petrol-electrical hybrid. Just dun get caught flat footed by some other models.

 

There are some petrol-electrical hybrid that are more performance skewed as opposed to the commonly held notion of fuel efficiency for hybrid cars.

 

As far as I understand one of these sample, if the accelerator pedal is depressed more rapidly (dun even need to floor it), BOTH the Electrical motor and Petrol engine will run at the same time to give a combined power to the drive-train.....and the delivery is instantaneous and way faster than any supercharged or turbocharged engine. this can happen from standing start or in gear acceleration during overtaking manouvres.

 

of course there are the usual less insane aspect where if you just throttle in lightly during takeoff, only the electrical motor runs for the instant pickup at low speed. Also while cruising, the petrol engine takes over fully to run the car and at the same time charge up the hybrid battery.

 

 

 

 

Electric motor will drop off after 40km/h.  Engine will start from thereon.

 

Next time, i see Prius.  I drag race it. 
 

 

[inlinesix]

Prius you can try... but there are different application of petrol-electrical hybrid. Just dun get caught flat footed by some other models.

 

There are some petrol-electrical hybrid that are more performance skewed as opposed to the commonly held notion of fuel efficiency for hybrid cars.

 

As far as I understand one of these sample, if the accelerator pedal is depressed more rapidly (dun even need to floor it), BOTH the Electrical motor and Petrol engine will run at the same time to give a combined power to the drive-train.....and the delivery is instantaneous and way faster than any supercharged or turbocharged engine. this can happen from standing start or in gear acceleration during overtaking manouvres.

 

of course there are the usual less insane aspect where if you just throttle in lightly during takeoff, only the electrical motor runs for the instant pickup at low speed. Also while cruising, the petrol engine takes over fully to run the car and at the same time charge up the hybrid battery.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reminder.

 

I only drag race Prius (& maybe CT200H) as it is designed as eco frenly car.

 

Prius plug-in hybrid going to be launched soon.

[Adrianli]

You can try a BMW i3 also if you want. Saw it accelerated off from standstill. Very very fast.

[inlinesix]

You can try a BMW i3 also if you want. Saw it accelerated off from standstill. Very very fast.

 

It will even faster if that i3 don't have that power generator.

 

[zerobim08]

You can try a BMW i3 also if you want. Saw it accelerated off from standstill. Very very fast.

 

If too fast off the block also has downside as it makes everyone thinks ..."that bloody show-off a**" instead of "ah..what a nice car" in our pretend egalitarian and politically correct society.

[Victor68]

I am no expert but I think petrol is the way to go if you are not a heavy user. Those below 20km a year type.

 

Electric is out but hybrid unless your battery is 10 years warranty by reliable agent. Carry that dead weight around and space plus maintenance, I dont think it is worth the trouble.

[Acemundo]

I recently did a calculation when I was considered a diesel 1.5T vs a 1.6T petrol.

There's about a $1800 difference in tax per year.

Now if we use a price of 1.96$ per litre of 95 Ron petrol from SPC as a calculation basis, I will have about 940l of petrol from the net difference in tax.

Which is about 23 trips to the pumps if I have a 40l tank. Considering that with my current ride, I pump every 10-14 days, I should have have a year's worth of petrol savings with the petrol car.

I also get a tad more power, a little less noise, and I avoid a 10k CEVS rebate, which is actually taken from my own pocket at the end of ten years.

 

Food for thought... cheers

a bit misleading, the way you illustrated it.

 

retail price for diesel is much cheaper than petrol even if we don't throw in the fuel efficiency difference into the consideration.  arithmetically incorrect to illustrate this way when the base price of either commodity are significantly different.  your 940litres advantage would have easily evaporated once we look at the $ saved in absolute terms.

 

i have read accounts of the arithmetical simulation comparing both option and it appears most of them came to conclusion that as long one's annual mileage is at least 16k, it saves $ to get the diesel unit.

[flashbang]

End of the day, for a driver who covers average mileage a year, not much difference.

 

Comparing hybrid car with normal petrol car, closest match is probably Toyota Prius C vs Hyundai Accent 5D based on bhp.

 

Prius C - 99bhp - 25.6km/L - 107k - road tax $818/year

Accent - 99bhp - 16.1km/L - 93k - road tax $608/year

 

Assuming average mileage of 20,000km/year, petrol is $1.56/L (1.95 less 20% discount SPC)

Prius C uses 781L of petrol

Accent uses 1242L of petrol

 

Price difference = (1242-781) * 1.56 + (608-818) = $509.16

Your savings over 10 years = 5.1k

 

Except the prius owner paid 14k more for his car at the start. Well, some people only think of the savings each time they visit petrol station!

[therock]

a bit misleading, the way you illustrated it.

 

retail price for diesel is much cheaper than petrol even if we don't throw in the fuel efficiency difference into the consideration.  arithmetically incorrect to illustrate this way when the base price of either commodity are significantly different.  your 940litres advantage would have easily evaporated once we look at the $ saved in absolute terms.

 

i have read accounts of the arithmetical simulation comparing both option and it appears most of them came to conclusion that as long one's annual mileage is at least 16k, it saves $ to get the diesel unit.

Thanks bro, so the break even is 16000km?

I used to do a lot, now, my mileage is a lot lower. Hence I chose a petrol engine. I also recall diesel engines have other issues like filters, maintenance etc.. 

I don't know if diesels have a lower resale value too. 

[merc280v6]

Diesel sales into the EU have been declining over the last 5 years, in favor of gasoline (petrol). This is mainly due to a market shift toward smaller turbo-charged petrol and hybrid-petrol engines.

 

Oil majors in European refineries have been sinking in capital to tweak FCC units to higher gasoline (vs gasoil) conversion yields.

[Motokia]

Diesel sales into the EU have been declining over the last 5 years, in favor of gasoline (petrol). This is mainly due to a market shift toward smaller turbo-charged petrol and hybrid-petrol engines.

 

Oil majors in European refineries have been sinking in capital to tweak FCC units to higher gasoline (vs gasoil) conversion yields.

 

Also partly Euro 6 & US emission hardly any diesel cars meet, after VW scandal Renault and Toyota might exit diesel, car makers rather invest into future electric car.

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/toyota-looking-kill-diesel-engine-it-ditches-option-latest-model-1584008

[fungyee77]

Diesel sales into the EU have been declining over the last 5 years, in favor of gasoline (petrol). This is mainly due to a market shift toward smaller turbo-charged petrol and hybrid-petrol engines.

 

Oil majors in European refineries have been sinking in capital to tweak FCC units to higher gasoline (vs gasoil) conversion yields.

Yeah. The new Audi A4 1.4L turbo is a case in point. Sufficiently powerful, super economical (19.2 km/L) and cost effective under our road tax rules.

 

At that level of fuel economy, certainly dilutes the primary seeking point of diesel.

[merc280v6]

Also partly Euro 6 & US emission hardly any diesel cars meet, after VW scandal Renault and Toyota might exit diesel, car makers rather invest into future electric car.

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/toyota-looking-kill-diesel-engine-it-ditches-option-latest-model-1584008

The US has never and will never shift to a diesel-based automobile market, unlike the mis-informed, and now-back-paddling Europeans in the last decade (particularly the German engine manufacturers, for whatever vested interest they had then).

 

The future of the diesel engine passenger cars in Europe is passé now, with the advent of highly efficient small-cc turbocharged petrol (think 1L and below, 3-pot) engines from the German and French engine makers and the bludgeoning hybrid technology being led by the Japanese auto industry.

[inlinesix]

The US has never and will never shift to a diesel-based automobile market, unlike the mis-informed, and now-back-paddling Europeans in the last decade (particularly the German engine manufacturers, for whatever vested interest they had then).

 

The future of the diesel engine passenger cars in Europe is passé now, with the advent of highly efficient small-cc turbocharged petrol (think 1L and below, 3-pot) engines from the German and French engine makers and the bludgeoning hybrid technology being led by the Japanese auto industry.

 

Diesel of similar CC is more efficient than petrol counterpart.

[fungyee77]

Diesel of similar CC is more efficient than petrol counterpart.

Yes, but frankly it's not just a cost consideration.

 

It's also noise-vibration (diesel louder), maintenance (diesel more expensive), torque (diesel better), reliability (diesel apparently better) etc.

 

In my mind, it depends on the type of car. If I'm driving a small sedan, then a small petrol engine (like the excellent 1.4L turbo in the A4) is perfect - good power, excellent efficiency, quiet.

 

If I'm driving a large heavy SUV, then I may prefer the fuel efficiency, low end torque and hardiness of a diesel. Because the main downside - that of noise-vibration - is mitigated by lots of sound proofing/damping material, which a small sedan may not have because such sound proofing/damping material is pretty heavy.

 

So there is no perfect answer - different engines are optimized for different types of vehicles, in my mind.

[merc280v6]

Hehe ... just saw a funny side of things ... imagine a diesel-engined Jazz, or Swift!