Will u buy Diesel or Petrol Cars in SG

[Spidey10]

My family's diesel SUV is still going strong after close to 3 years. Servicing wise, all covered by agent thus no issue.

 

My views on diesel/petrol vehicles: diesel SUV/MPV = ; petrol sedan/sports = . In fact, my views are slowly being swayed even for sports car as I test drove the diesel Panamera and the torque was just wonderful for a car of that size even though the century sprint on paper doesn't qualify it as a 4-second car. Sound wise from the diesel was not as bad compared to some other makes.

Soory bro to bring this up, would u mind to list down what was replaced during yr diesel servicing...pple says it's much more expensive to service diesel cars, but how much more?

[therock]

I recently did a calculation when I was considered a diesel 1.5T vs a 1.6T petrol.

There's about a $1800 difference in tax per year.

Now if we use a price of 1.96$ per litre of 95 Ron petrol from SPC as a calculation basis, I will have about 940l of petrol from the net difference in tax.

Which is about 23 trips to the pumps if I have a 40l tank. Considering that with my current ride, I pump every 10-14 days, I should have have a year's worth of petrol savings with the petrol car.

I also get a tad more power, a little less noise, and I avoid a 10k CEVS rebate, which is actually taken from my own pocket at the end of ten years.

 

Food for thought... cheers

[Carbon82]

Diesel is mostly for those that travel alot (>20,000 Km/yr as a guage), so as to offset the additional diesel tax (@ $0.40/cc). Also, if you are driving a heavier car (especially large MPV / SUV) or that the car is fully loaded most of the time, you will appreciate the torquey engine of a diesel.

[Google]

Used to drive diesel with turbo overseas, my verdict is that go for higher cc engine without the Turbo if possible. Injector and turbo replacement cost is pretty steep, unless you have deep wallet. If you plan for diesel engine anyway. Another issue is the noise.

I ever asked my Japanese cousin once why Jap car always majority petrol less delivery vehicle. He only mention 'NOISE'. They value tranquility 

[Spring]

I recently did a calculation when I was considered a diesel 1.5T vs a 1.6T petrol.

There's about a $1800 difference in tax per year.

Now if we use a price of 1.96$ per litre of 95 Ron petrol from SPC as a calculation basis, I will have about 940l of petrol from the net difference in tax.

Which is about 23 trips to the pumps if I have a 40l tank. Considering that with my current ride, I pump every 10-14 days, I should have have a year's worth of petrol savings with the petrol car.

I also get a tad more power, a little less noise, and I avoid a 10k CEVS rebate, which is actually taken from my own pocket at the end of ten years.

 

Food for thought... cheers

Not sure if your figures are right. I think additional diesel road tax in your example is only $600 per year extra and not $1800. Roughly 40cents x 1500.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Spring

[therock]

Not sure if your figures are right. I think additional diesel road tax in your example is only $600 per year extra and not $1800. Roughly 40cents x 1500.

 

The diesel has a $682 road tax, plus a annual special tax of 1870. The 1.6T petrol has a tax of $740. So there's about a 1.8k difference..

[Spring]

The diesel has a $682 road tax, plus a annual special tax of 1870. The 1.6T petrol has a tax of $740. So there's about a 1.8k difference..

I'm not sure how you get this figure cos I'm paying around $1200+ annually for my 1.5 diesel car.

[therock]

I'm not sure how you get this figure cos I'm paying around $1200+ annually for my 1.5 diesel car.

I took the numbers off one shift for a BMW 216d, cheers 

Is that the model you are driving bro? 

Edited September 29, 2016 by therock

[Spring]

I took the numbers off one shift for a BMW 216d, cheers 

Is that the model you are driving bro? 

 Yes I am driving that bro, u make me worried for 1 minute haha

[therock]

 Yes I am driving that bro, u make me worried for 1 minute haha

Nice ride bro, good engine, ingenious cabin and a great driving experience .. was seriously considering that. A bit too much above my budget. So you pay a total of 1200 nett, road tax and special tax a year?

[Lycanthrope]

S$1286.00 per year inclusive both taxes  .. 

 

https://www.onemotoring.com.sg/content/onemotoring/en/lta_e_services/online_enquiries/road_tax_calculator.html

[Spring]

S$1286.00 per year inclusive both taxes ..

 

https://www.onemotoring.com.sg/content/onemotoring/en/lta_e_services/online_enquiries/road_tax_calculator.html

Tks for the link bro!

Nice ride bro, good engine, ingenious cabin and a great driving experience .. was seriously considering that. A bit too much above my budget. So you pay a total of 1200 nett, road tax and special tax a year?

Yes all in $1200+ annual. The torque of this car is great. Beats most petrol cars from standstill at traffic lights n enough to change lanes, overtake etc most times. Of course, past say 80-100m, the bigger cc cars will win but I'm not racing so it's fine. Lose to Hybrids though from standstill. That Prius has an instant rocket torque I think haha, smell its butt!!

 

Diesel clatter only audible on the outside n barely heard on the inside n only if u observant, cheers!

[fungyee77]

Below is a good article on key considerations.

 

Interestingly, in Europe and Australia, diesel is more expensive than petrol, and has better resale value. In addition, the top spec of luxury cars are often the diesel version.

 

In Singapore, not so much. Whereas in Europe/Australia dealers can mark up the margins for diesel due to demand, Singapore dealers have to cut margins for diesel to move the cars.

 

Which is surprising because the price delta between petrol and diesel is much higher in Singapore than in Europe or Australia.

 

So in a sense, there is a cultural arbitrage to be explored here for diesel cars.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice/which-should-i-buy-petrol-or-diesel/

 

Case in point - the entry level Mercedes E class in Australia is the petrol E200 @ $89.9k, stepping up to the E220d @ $92.9k then to the E350d @ $134.9k.

 

http://www.caradvice.com.au/481514/2017-mercedes-benz-e200-review/

Edited September 29, 2016 by Fungyee77

[therock]

Thanks bro

Odd that the one shift site gives a different figure.

Any special maintainence for diesels?

[Vratenza]

Technically nothing to smell...using electrical motor from low down acceleration (machiam golf cart)...later the petrol engine kicks in then maybe can smell something...

 

 

Tks for the link bro!

Yes all in $1200+ annual. The torque of this car is great. Beats most petrol cars from standstill at traffic lights n enough to change lanes, overtake etc most times. Of course, past say 80-100m, the bigger cc cars will win but I'm not racing so it's fine. Lose to Hybrids though from standstill. That Prius has an instant rocket torque I think haha, smell its butt!!

Diesel clatter only audible on the outside n barely heard on the inside n only if u observant, cheers!

 

[Spring]

Technically nothing to smell...using electrical motor from low down acceleration (machiam golf cart)...later the petrol engine kicks in then maybe can smell something...

Haha true

[Vratenza]

Yeah that is the hidden beauty of electic motor/hybrid.

 

Alot of times, the taxi lau at the traffic light, inching forwardand stepped hard on their pedal on green, gave up within 4-5 car lengths when they realized they cannot cut in front of me ..so guai guai had to slow down and cut behind me....  One of my rare few guilty pleasures on the road...

 

 

Haha true

[zerobim08]

I recently did a calculation when I was considered a diesel 1.5T vs a 1.6T petrol.

There's about a $1800 difference in tax per year.

Now if we use a price of 1.96$ per litre of 95 Ron petrol from SPC as a calculation basis, I will have about 940l of petrol from the net difference in tax.

Which is about 23 trips to the pumps if I have a 40l tank. Considering that with my current ride, I pump every 10-14 days, I should have have a year's worth of petrol savings with the petrol car.

I also get a tad more power, a little less noise, and I avoid a 10k CEVS rebate, which is actually taken from my own pocket at the end of ten years.

 

Food for thought... cheers

 

Cars already so expensive in Singapore.  Don't be penny-wise pound-foolish by letting the few hundred savings a year deter you from getting a car that you like/want.  If the one you like turn out to be a diesel, so be it.

 

Personally, I don't think there is any advantage of both types of engine over each other.  Unless you are a taxi/uber/commercial car owner.