Roundabout rules: was NTUC right?

[Joseph22]

I am stupid and I do not understand what are you trying to say.

 

Based on your post ... stop, kena hit backside has nothing to do with switching lane.

 

Maybe I was not clear .... I am saying if both cars, switch lanes .... they will never have the chance to hit each other.

 

- The car on the right, switch to the left and turn left ... the car on the left, switch to the right and keep right... car on left lane turn left, car on right lane keep right .... how to bang each other ?

 

Think don't need to argue so hard. look from the other side of the road. near the traffic light. its pretty obvious although its a circle, the red car should not be turning to the other left.

 

from the traffic light shooting back

Edited August 13, 2013 by Joseph22

[Joseph22]

Think don't need to argue so hard. look from the other side of the road. near the traffic light. its pretty obvious although its a circle, the red car should not be turning to the other side.

 

from the traffic light shooting back

this is from the other entrance.

 

 

[Joseph22]

I don't know how are you going to classify this as a circle when there is traffic light involve. the distant from the turning point to the traffic light is so short and ppl are saying that right most lane can turn left???

 

[Mustank]

Look at the picture. I believe this is the area?

 

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The complainant's car involves a lane change before exiting. Lines are clearly drawn on the road. Now what do we know about lane changes?

 

Up for Bro Listerry!!!

[Elfenstar]

Hi, I'm afraid that I'm not well versed in this topic like you think I am, I'm simply agreeing to the highway code and disagreeing that Mrs Han is 100% liable.

 

The scenario that you said, should seldom happen if blue car gives way to traffic in roundabout, that is also in highway code. This means that you should wait until roundabout traffic is clear before the cars from your side move off.

 

Like some said, it should probably be 50/50 because cars on left should know there is a possibility that car on right side may turn left and keep a lookout for each other.

 

I made this topic because I'm not so sure myself and want to hear the views of others. My conclusion so far is the same as what some have said. Both failed to lookout for one another so they should be at 50/50 fault. And if we are at a roundabout and want to exit, always try to keep left which is fail safe.

 

 

Technically that is two half roundabouts, not one large one. The section below the Jln Buroh right turn into West Coast Highway is one partial roundabout, the section above another roundabout. This means that the turn Mr Han wanted to make is technically the first turn off from the roundabout. So the driver in the left lane can go straight, and the driver in the right lane MUST go straight.

 

See the attached google map and street view image from the left turn and straight lanes of Jln Buroh entering the half roundabout on top just before the turn Mr Han wanted to make. It pretty much sums up what I said.

 

LTA is partially at fault here. They should have placed arrows on the top half-roundabout, at the section just before the left turn and go straight lanes of Jln Buroh merges in.

 

[Chucky2007]

- article start -

 

 

 

"I found out that NTUC Income don't understand certain Highway Code rules during our exchange of emails regarding a disputed accident claim.

 

NTUC Income then put 100% liability on my side when infact the other driver was in the wrong.

 

This matter was then referred to Fidrec for adjudication which, to my surprise, also favoured NTUC Income's decision 100%

 

I checked with LTA regarding the Highway code rules and confirmed NTUC Income's interpretation was different.

 

NTUC Income said they will still stand firm on their assessment and had already compensated the other party and closed the case as it was already adjudicated by Fidrec.

 

 

 

This is what happened:

 

Last year, 7th Aug 2012, my wife was involved in a minor side-collision accident in Pandan Circle.

 

Ref to above diagram 3.18 as an illustration of the roundabout.

My car (shown in red) wanted to exit from the right-lane to the 2nd exit (Jurong Town Hall road). The other car (shown in blue) should also exit base on the general rule, but he (blue car) wanted to continue to the 3rd exit (West Coast road). Therefore this accident happened.

 

The other driver blames her for the accident and does not believe there are roundabout rules. Saying all vehicles must exit from the left lane, vehicles on the left lane can proceed all the way in the roundabout. I told him he needed to keep-right lane when approaching roundabout in order to turn right (3rd exit) base on general rules of roundabout.

 

As we could not agree, we decided to report to insurer for 3rd party claim. Both are insured with NTUC INCOME.

The whole incident was captured in my car's camera system. The dispute mainly boils down to the rules of the road. I submitted the footage to NTUC Income.

 

To my surprise, NTUC Income informed me liability at my side.

I then requested for their detail report as a claim was made into my policy. They rejected my request as I know they are wrong in their assessment.

I wrote to MAS and was told they cannot do anything as it was NTUC Income's commercial decision and Fidrec already gone through it.

 

This story is quite lengthy but I have uploaded more photos, letters and the video to my blog at: http://jkhan999.blogspot.sg/

 

My experience tells me this : "Never go to Fidrec for motor accident dispute. NTUC Income will tell them not to listen". Ntuc Income have changed some of our traffic rules.

 

 

 

Mr. Han JK"

 

Source: http://therealsingapore.com/content/ntuc-i...asic-road-rules

Blog with more explanations: http://jkhan999.blogspot.sg/

 

 

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Keeping left to go 3rd or 4th exit is just wrong isn't it? That means if NTUC is right, cars on the right lanes must filter left in round about to exit?

If we expand the diagrams to have a bigger roundabout. And also 3 lanes instead of the 2 lanes. . The Mr Han's wife if not winning the case at all...

 

 

[Mcf777]

Draw Double line will be easier for all motorist to see and understand the suituation.

Arrow something is quite mis=leading.

 

In Hongkong, lanes in the tunnel are mosting double line.

I believe is the same rule for no overtaking.

[Fibo]

Technically that is two half roundabouts, not one large one. The section below the Jln Buroh right turn into West Coast Highway is one partial roundabout, the section above another roundabout. This means that the turn Mr Han wanted to make is technically the first turn off from the roundabout. So the driver in the left lane can go straight, and the driver in the right lane MUST go straight.

 

See the attached google map and street view image from the left turn and straight lanes of Jln Buroh entering the half roundabout on top just before the turn Mr Han wanted to make. It pretty much sums up what I said.

 

LTA is partially at fault here. They should have placed arrows on the top half-roundabout, at the section just before the left turn and go straight lanes of Jln Buroh merges in.

 

base on what I see on google map, Jln Buroh has a traffic light controlling its traffic into the roundabout. if the traffic light is controlled in such a way when it's green, there is absolutely no car coming from the right side of the roundabout, the arrows marked on the ground is appropriate.

 

 

[Elfenstar]

base on what I see on google map, Jln Buroh has a traffic light controlling its traffic into the roundabout. if the traffic light is controlled in such a way when it's green, there is absolutely no car coming from the right side of the roundabout, the arrows marked on the ground is appropriate.

 

They need one for the people already in the roundabout which is what this entire thread is about. A good example is Newton Circus. They have directional arrows before each turn-off.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Elfenstar

[Joseph22]

They need one for the people already in the roundabout which is what this entire thread is about. A good example is Newton Circus. They have directional arrows before each turn-off.

Agree, with the installation if traffic light, this place is no longer following the rule of a roundabout hence it's only appropriate that proper arrows are drawn.

[BlueOldMan]

Saw the title tot NTUC is selling some kind of roundabout items now.. Lol!

 

I even worse! I tot ntuc planning Rd about for trolley pushing

[Jamomatt]

When there's lane marking, it is clear you must follow it. Apply roundabout rule when no marking.

[Kangadrool]

Too many people are fooled by this "roundabout". This was not a true roundabout to begin with, and it was completely converted to traffic light controlled junction about a year ago. Yes, it resembles a roundabout, but with the signalized implementation, it is not. It has to be assumed as normal road - i.e. left lane = can left turn or go straight, right lane = only straight (and cannot turn left) but can bear right.

[Yeshe]

- article start -

 

 

 

"I found out that NTUC Income don't understand certain Highway Code rules during our exchange of emails regarding a disputed accident claim.

 

NTUC Income then put 100% liability on my side when infact the other driver was in the wrong.

 

This matter was then referred to Fidrec for adjudication which, to my surprise, also favoured NTUC Income's decision 100%

 

I checked with LTA regarding the Highway code rules and confirmed NTUC Income's interpretation was different.

 

NTUC Income said they will still stand firm on their assessment and had already compensated the other party and closed the case as it was already adjudicated by Fidrec.

 

 

 

This is what happened:

 

Last year, 7th Aug 2012, my wife was involved in a minor side-collision accident in Pandan Circle.

 

Ref to above diagram 3.18 as an illustration of the roundabout.

My car (shown in red) wanted to exit from the right-lane to the 2nd exit (Jurong Town Hall road). The other car (shown in blue) should also exit base on the general rule, but he (blue car) wanted to continue to the 3rd exit (West Coast road). Therefore this accident happened.

 

The other driver blames her for the accident and does not believe there are roundabout rules. Saying all vehicles must exit from the left lane, vehicles on the left lane can proceed all the way in the roundabout. I told him he needed to keep-right lane when approaching roundabout in order to turn right (3rd exit) base on general rules of roundabout.

 

As we could not agree, we decided to report to insurer for 3rd party claim. Both are insured with NTUC INCOME.

The whole incident was captured in my car's camera system. The dispute mainly boils down to the rules of the road. I submitted the footage to NTUC Income.

 

To my surprise, NTUC Income informed me liability at my side.

I then requested for their detail report as a claim was made into my policy. They rejected my request as I know they are wrong in their assessment.

I wrote to MAS and was told they cannot do anything as it was NTUC Income's commercial decision and Fidrec already gone through it.

 

This story is quite lengthy but I have uploaded more photos, letters and the video to my blog at: http://jkhan999.blogspot.sg/

 

My experience tells me this : "Never go to Fidrec for motor accident dispute. NTUC Income will tell them not to listen". Ntuc Income have changed some of our traffic rules.

 

 

 

Mr. Han JK"

 

Source: http://therealsingapore.com/content/ntuc-i...asic-road-rules

Blog with more explanations: http://jkhan999.blogspot.sg/

 

 

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Keeping left to go 3rd or 4th exit is just wrong isn't it? That means if NTUC is right, cars on the right lanes must filter left in round about to exit?

 

your wife is wrong. no matter what, when u intend to exit a roundabout, u make sure u move to the left most lane before the exit. if that is not possible, then u have to ensure the vehicle on your left is definitely making the same exit.

[BlueOldMan]

Not only about rules

They will also see which part kana hit

If car A the one on left hit car B which is writers car on the front

Should be B wrong

If car A hits B's rear

Should be A wrong

 

IMO

[BlueOldMan]

This no lane marking?

Same as marine parade that one

[Elfenstar]

your wife is wrong. no matter what, when u intend to exit a roundabout, u make sure u move to the left most lane before the exit. if that is not possible, then u have to ensure the vehicle on your left is definitely making the same exit.

 

Not his wife lah. He just copied and pasted everything to discuss here

[Ender]

This no lane marking?

Same as marine parade that one

Have lane marking, that's why lane discipline has to be observed. Cannot just cross lane and exit without checking for clearance. It's quite obvious now it's the wife fault..