Roundabout rules: was NTUC right?

[Joseph22]

problem is you didnt keep a look out for the other car. there is no rule that say she cannot continue down that lane so she isnt in the wrong.

 

I believe NTUC is faulting you for failing to keep a look out for car in another lane (i know in round about no marking but you should get what i mean) and you turn without looking. so yes highway code you are not wrong. but failure to keep a look up for vehicle in another lane, you lose up.

 

defensive driving is always the best. lesser accident lesser trouble lesser headach. 3 sec loss is not a lot compare to many days loss.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Joseph22

[Toothiewabbit]

Doesn't make sense.

 

Red car intended to exit Jurong Town Hall but already moved off from West Coast Hwy's lane 1. Does that mean red car die die must somehow keep left while negotiating the roundabout before exiting??

 

Best is for red car to signal left while on other lane and exit when it is safe to do so...but this is difficult if traffic is heavy....

 

classic problematic roundable is at Newton during peak...shiok

Edited August 13, 2013 by Toothiewabbit

[Mkl22]

thats what happens when both are insured by NTUC. i was screwed by them before.

[Altivo]

okie. End of the day, did both car turn on their signals to indicate their intention? I think this is the most crucial aspect.

 

 

[Jman888]

when the red car enter into the round about, and see the blue car didn't make the first exit, it should slowly filter to the left behind the blue car. But if it is still on the inner lane, it should look out to ensure the traffic is clear before exit.

 

at least this is what i would do.

[Adrianli]

  On 8/13/2013 at 6:55 AM, Joseph22 said:

problem is you didnt keep a look out for the other car. there is no rule that say she cannot continue down that lane so she isnt in the wrong.

 

I believe NTUC is faulting you for failing to keep a look out for car in another lane (i know in round about no marking but you should get what i mean) and you turn without looking. so yes highway code you are not wrong. but failure to keep a look up for vehicle in another lane, you lose up.

 

defensive driving is always the best. lesser accident lesser trouble lesser headach. 3 sec loss is not a lot compare to many days loss.

 

Totally agree with Joseph.

 

 

Just like an illegal parked car on a double yellow line. Doesnt mean u can bang the car and say u have right of way.

 

Best is to keep a proper look out before lane change.

[Joseph22]

  On 8/13/2013 at 7:04 AM, Altivo said:

okie. End of the day, did both car turn on their signals to indicate their intention? I think this is the most crucial aspect.

My Reservist unit got one guy who work as a investigator for car accident.

 

he mention that the most important things in accident is how you report the incident that happen. if this MR Han Statement is he turn out of the round about without checking. any highway code is also useless.

[Iisterry]

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At the start of video, you will see his beige car sneaking into the left lane from the island-divider. Some cars have to brake to let him in.

 

My take too, is that it is a shared fault.

 

He has already noticed that the beige car was uncertain of his surroundings and he should have exercised greater caution when exiting the roundabout with the biege car next to him. Right of way (debatable) does not equate to an overbearing insistence to have it his way. Similarly, a clearly demarcated pedestrian crossing does not mean that a person can simply dash across at whim.

 

Point of impact occurred at the front portion of both vehicle. If the biege car hit his back instead, he might arguably contest that he has in fact checked his surrounding before exiting. There is a lane marking and he crossed it while exiting, vehicles changing lane have to exercise greater caution.

 

In theory, a vehicle filters to the left only when it is going to exit the roundabout. In practice, roundabouts in Singapore are nowhere near the size of roundabouts overseas. That, coupled with the driving habits of Singaporeans, mean that incidents happen frequently. Drivers can do their part by exhibiting a little bit of intelligence and graciousness.

 

If this guy feels so strongly about his case, he can always ask NTUC to reject liability and launch a civil suit against the other driver.

[Joseph22]

  On 8/13/2013 at 7:07 AM, Adrianli said:

Totally agree with Joseph.

 

 

Just like an illegal parked car on a double yellow line. Doesnt mean u can bang the car and say u have right of way.

 

Best is to keep a proper look out before lane change.

this is one very good example.

[Jq1988]

No signal and exit immediate sure cos the accident.

 

From the chart:

Red is wrong...Blue still on the main lane, Red cut into blue lane to exit without signal confirm wrong...If possible just slow down let the blue pass then exit, this will not happen...(Just my years of experience driving in sg...as long as we stick to our lane and people cut in, they are wrong!)...

Edited August 13, 2013 by Jq1988

[ORTo]

Actually that roundabout is very messy with half visible lines...

But in this case, the blue should be wrong according to highway codes, it is only allowed to exit at Jurong town hall.

Imagine the blue car keep turning ard he outer lane, then there will be chaos!!! But if he keep turning in the in we lane, traffics still flow... IMHO

[Nicholas]

  On 8/13/2013 at 7:09 AM, Joseph22 said:

My Reservist unit got one guy who work as a investigator for car accident.

 

he mention that the most important things in accident is how you report the incident that happen. if this MR Han Statement is he turn out of the round about without checking. any highway code is also useless.

 

Agreed that the statement is important. Maybe his wife when gave statement also thought she was in the wrong.

 

But Adrianli's parked car at dbl yellow lines example is not a good one, no offence Adrian, because in his example, it makes sense to avoid a stationary vehicle but in this case, they are moving and by right, according to traffic rules, the blue car have to exit 2nd exit if he's on the left lane.

 

It's like a car going straight at turn right/u-turn only lane. If other cars hit him because what he did was unexpected... he's still at fault.

[Ming99]

Anyway, just google map the pandan round about.

 

It just terrible, long history short - this junction mutated from various type of junctions from X junction, to round about (w/o traffic lights) and finally to its current form.

 

Day-in; Day out - JAM and JAM and JAM. And I have seen a lot of similar accidents to TS here. One side from Jalan Buroh - tons of heavy vehicles(Also got heavy vehicle who thinks they are F1 drivers - accident where heavy steel pipes fell onto the road with mere metres from making a bus into a pancake); other side is the road with the record breaking number of traffic lights with a school.

 

Recently; they re-draw the broken white lines but its still useless.

 

If want to add traffic lights; I say just scrap the whole stupid round about and change it back to the cross junction...then can also remove those overhead bridge too

Edited August 13, 2013 by Ming99

[Joseph22]

  On 8/13/2013 at 7:19 AM, Nicholas said:

Agreed that the statement is important. Maybe his wife when gave statement also thought she was in the wrong.

 

But Adrianli's parked car at dbl yellow lines example is not a good one, no offence Adrian, because in his example, it makes sense to avoid a stationary vehicle but in this case, they are moving and by right, according to traffic rules, the blue car have to exit 2nd exit if he's on the left lane.

 

It's like a car going straight at turn right/u-turn only lane. If other cars hit him because what he did was unexpected... he's still at fault.

Under Highway Code. There is a code to check blind spot before switching lane. Just because she is right on one code doesn't make her not totally at fault for not checking blind spot.

 

To add one. IMHO The Highway Code is simply showing u when there is two car switching going out of roundabout they should go to which lane. It's not saying left most lane must turn out.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Joseph22

[Mxer98]

Have just seen the video. Hate to admit it but NTUC was right:

 

1) The beige car was not signalling left to indicate he will exit the roundabout at that point. So the red car driver cannot assume the beige car is going to exit, so there is a probability of contact should the red car in the inner lane tries to exit.

 

2) The red car, being in the inner lane but intending to exit needs to exercise greater precaution for point no. 1. Thus, if it impossible at that point to exit, i.e. no clear or empty lane on the red vehicle's left, he should not attempt to exit but continue the roundabout and start filtering to the leftmost lane of the roundabout.

 

3) The red car, now on the second round will be able to exit easily at the next available opportunity from the outer lane (and it takes only about 2 mins or less)

 

Been in such situations many times and yes, I have avoided quite a number of notorious inner lane stunt drivers exiting the roundabout.

 

 

[Altivo]

  On 8/13/2013 at 7:09 AM, Joseph22 said:

My Reservist unit got one guy who work as a investigator for car accident.

 

he mention that the most important things in accident is how you report the incident that happen. if this MR Han Statement is he turn out of the round about without checking. any highway code is also useless.

 

Exactly.

 

The round about here is the same as the one at Suntec. The inner lane is NOT MEANT for the cars that want to exit. It is meant for you to reach your exit without being blocked cars which might have slowed down at the earlier exits before yours.

 

If you want to exit, you must signal to the left, change to the outer lane and then exit. I think this time, NTUC is right that car in blue is not at fault.

[Joseph22]

  On 8/13/2013 at 7:25 AM, Altivo said:

Exactly.

 

The round about here is the same as the one at Suntec. The inner lane is NOT MEANT for the cars that want to exit. It is meant for you to reach your exit without being blocked cars which might have slowed down at the earlier exits before yours.

 

If you want to exit, you must signal to the left, change to the outer lane and then exit. I think this time, NTUC is right that car in blue is not at fault.

Too bad this one go on Internet trying to blame Ntuc now whole world think sg driver all stupid Liao.

[Poohbor]

I always use Newton Rounabout.

 

Though there were lane markings on the ground, most, if not all, vehicles in the roundabout tend to cut left or right as they wish and expect you to be on the lookout.

 

And most times...car kept left without exiting. Same goes with cars on the right lane will suddenly cut in to do a sudden exit.

 

There is no highway code so to speak. Just be very very careful...drive slowly and always keep a lookout on the cars around and in front of you.

 

Give way if you must even though the driver may be an idiot or hogger...

 

Ddrive safely everyone