KIA K3 Owners check-in!

[BullsEye]

relax already.. even on highway i also get this figure.

 

First got the car my tank can last 580km, then it drop to ard 480km now. I sent the car back and they told me computer say no error, they just set the car computer to auto reset everytime I pump but it doesnt change anything lol. Gave up on C&C

 

The car computer not very accurate. plus minus 0.5.

Calculate manually more accurate.

 

my worst was 10-11 km/L

[Enzomatrix]

The car computer not very accurate. plus minus 0.5.

Calculate manually more accurate.

 

my worst was 10-11 km/L

its not calculated from computer, its my manual calculation, it wun be far apart when my full tank last until ard 480km and it blinks at 440km.

 

Jiak you la.. anyway old car already..

[Cactus72]

The car computer not very accurate. plus minus 0.5.

Calculate manually more accurate.

 

my worst was 10-11 km/L

Manual caln as below:

2nd pump to full tank after delivery : 42.37L for 615km driven = 14.51km/L @ 847km mark

3rd pump to full tank : 47.85L for 578km driven = 12.08km/L @ 1,425km mark

 

Ya..The mileage I mentioned was based on the car computed figures..I haven't gone for 4th pump(first pump after 1,000km servicing). I heard after 1,000km, the FC will improve...the third pump was in the middle of before and after 1,000km servicing...

[Kwoni]

The COE system is totally unfair to the buyers. We sign a conditional contract with the car dealers and it give them a loop hole to get out when COE prices go up but does not allow buyers to get out when COE prices fall.

 

The strangest and most ridiculous thing is that buyers need to put a substantial down payment. In the financial world, the buyers would be the ones holding the option finger out when things are unfavorable since we buy that option with the down payment. Buyers gets the shorter ending the stick.

The problem is that buyers are so used to the unfair system and desperate to buy and hence nothing will change.

When COE prices are rising, it will work against you not to top out because the next car you book is going to coercion even more!

The contract is between you and the dealer. Should there be any unfairness it should be the dealer's clause...I cant see anything related to the COE system...

[Forte3737]

COE system started in 1990. It is 26 years old. Car dealers are the beneficiary and off course it's revenue for our reserves. As long as buyers say "bo pian" then why change.

 

You go any other country to buy a car, buyers has the right to cancel the contract and forfeit the deposit. Here, car dealers can cancel the contract by bidding low COE price and don't need to compensate.

How come you still sign the sales contract to buy a car if it's so unfair?

[zwanson]

Unfortunately, there's a clause regarding the bidding that says something in the line of dealer reserves the right to not place any bids in the 6 rounds of bidding. If you signed the contract with the clause on it, then the dealer has the right to do it.

 

Highly likely the contract will not say that they are to hold a car for you during the bidding period too.

Thanks! I will go home and check on my contract. He still telling me it's my advantage to choose a new car if I manage to get my COE. Anyway, I'm a first time buyer and I'm no hurried to get a car. If can get coe for the upcoming bidding or the May 2nd bidding it's a bonus. If can't get also never mind will just take back my deposit.

[Jagash]

How come you still sign the sales contract to buy a car if it's so unfair?

What a question.

No choice if you need a car in Singapore at the moment. Hopefully, things will change when more buyers are educated.

 

BTW, from your comments, you must be a car dealer or car SE. Are you?

[Jagash]

The contract is between you and the dealer. Should there be any unfairness it should be the dealer's clause...I cant see anything related to the COE system...

Current COE system discourages.and disadvantage buyers from bidding for own COE. That's why dealers can insert unfair contract and buyers have to suck thumb.

 

No single buyer has the power to tell the dealer that they should remove such clause. However when an organization with a large order buys, do you think such clause will be accepted?

Not sure if it is possible or practical for individual buyers to group buy at present but if it happens, then things will be different.

[Forte3737]

What a question.

No choice if you need a car in Singapore at the moment. Hopefully, things will change when more buyers are educated.

 

BTW, from your comments, you must be a car dealer or car SE. Are you?

Nope

[Jjlimjohn]

Comparatively, parallel importers gives u guaranteed COE at a lower price. Of course PIs have their issues too.

[flashbang]

Manual caln as below:

2nd pump to full tank after delivery : 42.37L for 615km driven = 14.51km/L @ 847km mark

3rd pump to full tank : 47.85L for 578km driven = 12.08km/L @ 1,425km mark

 

Ya..The mileage I mentioned was based on the car computed figures..I haven't gone for 4th pump(first pump after 1,000km servicing). I heard after 1,000km, the FC will improve...the third pump was in the middle of before and after 1,000km servicing...

 

It will get a bit better but it won't be magic, maybe 1km/L extra on average. Also as you get used to the car you will find the best way to drive it, which will also improve the FC.

[MarcusM]

It will get a bit better but it won't be magic, maybe 1km/L extra on average. Also as you get used to the car you will find the best way to drive it, which will also improve the FC.

I am doing 11km/L for a travelling pattern of 30% highway 70% city.

[thechoseone]

I am doing 11km/L for a travelling pattern of 30% highway 70% city.

Same Bro, i am doing between 10.7-11.4km/l.

I reckon K3 FC will not be fantastic as our driving pattern involve huge amount of city traffic.

[MarcusM]

Same Bro, i am doing between 10.7-11.4km/l.

I reckon K3 FC will not be fantastic as our driving pattern involve huge amount of city traffic.

I should think so, am about reaching the 2k mark and it seems the FC has stabilised around this level. When I do travel a little more on Highway, the FC improves a little but gradually it would fall back to the 11km/L level. Given our travelling pattern, I find it acceptable lah. Not forgetting, sometimes traffic will be heavy on Highway too.

[coolbluepica]

Hi all, FC for me is ard 15km/l...depends on whether how often I use expressways...the best I ever get was 16.39km/l or 6.1L/100km after heavy usage of expressways..I am pretty light footed I believe...still monitoring..

Wah your FC is very good leh. But the FC gauge computer only shows at that point of time. Should take total distance travelled divided by liters of petrol re-filled.

[teomingern]

If at $98k I think Elantra maybe a better buy actually. I chose K3 becos its 7k cheaper than the Elantra. If I don't get it maybe I will switch to an Elantra or jus sit and wait for the new K3 facelift. Or maybe jus do without a car as its not cost efficient hahaha(basically lazy and over reliant on a car) 

 

Hmmm... the thing is that C&C keeps the price low to attract people into buy, kind of a psychological trick. With such a low and unrealistic non-guaranteed COE car price, people would just try, take a punt and hope the COE slides, or that C&C would bid high enough. After 2-3 bids, I think it's quite clear to all these people who booked the very low priced non-guaranteed COE Forte SX package that C&C is just toying with you. It's not a serious intention to sell the car at that price, cos the COE rebate and the current COE premium is about $10,000 apart. What this then means is that for C&C, the guaranteed COE package car prices are the real car prices. And this puts the Forte SX on par in terms of price with the Elantra Elite.

 

So basically to all those who are eyeing the Forte SX, be realistic. Go for the guaranteed package and pay that price. So when you shop around and compare with other makes, use that guaranteed COE package price. This puts the Forte SX & Elantra Elite head-to-head. And it is now a comparison of which feature set you prefer, which SE is better at his or her service provided. And how comfortable you feel with either C&C or Komoco's sales tactics.

 

Honestly, I liked the Optima K5 very much. I test drove it the moment it came in. I was waiting for the new model since Dec 2015. I didn't pay much attention to the Sonata then cos it was priced much higher. At least $10,000 more for the sunroof trim. The Optima K5 only had one trim and it was the equivalent to the sunroof trim. Even with the new model, there is only one trim level for the Optima and it still goes head to head with the sunroof model. But when I talked to my SE at Komoco, I realised that Komoco didn't mess around with guaranteed packages and COE rebate nonsense. They gave pretty high COE rebates, and was willing to bid higher than the current COE price at the point that I booked the car in late Mar 2016. In fact, they were willing to disclose how much they would bid and was fairly confident that they would get the COE. And that convinced me to go with them whereas at C&C side, there was a lot of uncertainty and I felt like they were gaming the customer. Of course my SE at C&C hinted strongly that I should get the guaranteed COE package. But the way they had non-guaranteed and guaranteed COE packages left a rather bad taste in my mouth. While Komoco also has a 6-bid non-guaranteed package, they didn't have a guaranteed one. So far in the Hyundai threads, most get their cars within 2 bid, barring any COE upsets.

 

This is my experience and opinion after shopping around monitoring car prices and COE premiums for about 4 months. My dad was also buying a car then in Nov/Dec 2015. Now my sister is also looking to get another car. So together, we visited many dealerships, and almost all the mainstream car brands. Basically, all the Continental car brands don't play around with this COE rebate nonsense. They set car prices high enough and with sufficient margins to get their COEs without too much fuss. Some Jap dealerships do the same like Borneo Motors and Tan Chong. The two Korean car brands you know from above. Not sure about Mazda and Subaru cos didn't really discuss terms.

Wah your FC is very good leh. But the FC gauge computer only shows at that point of time. Should take total distance travelled divided by liters of petrol re-filled.

 

The first screen after the digital speedometer shows the average FC for that tank of petrol you pump. You can set the trip computer to reset the mileage and fuel consumption every time you pump fuel. Then the average FC you see would be for that tank of petrol. It's pretty accurate.

[ljeffrey]

Got my SX early April and is now reaching the 1000KM distance travelled. My FC according to the computer has stablised at 7.5 to 7.8 L/100KM. Is this considered good?

 

Booked the 1K servicing and see how the FC will go.

[youpapalite]

Advise needed. I had book a kia k3 SX model 6 non-guarantee bid after the Feb 2nd bidding. Currently, I'm left with 2 more bidding. Before the April 2nd bid my SE actually ask me to top up a 6k to switch to guarantee bid which I forgo this top up.

This morning I receive a msg from my SE asking me to top up a 7k to switch to 2 guarantee bid as I had only left with 2 bid if I don't want to top up I can choose to cancel my coe bidding immediately. So I told my SE that I still stick with the non guarantee bid as I had left with 2 more bidding only and I won't top up. But he message me telling me that he will release the car I reserved for sales. In the event of I manage to secure a COE in this 2 bids I will have to choose a new car. Can the SE just release the car which had been reserved and sign in the contract?

To be honest, what's the point in waiting another 2 more bids? You consider yourself lucky you can quickly take back your deposit even before the 6th bid. Your SE is letting you know, there is no way you will be able to get your COE in a nice way.

 

Top up if your current car has major repairs, COE expiring soon or u think COE will continue trending up or u prefer this k3 design to the facelifted version

 

Take back your deposit if you can wait but the new k3 may be launched by then..

 

I can assure you, your 39,999 bid will not happen in the coming 2 bids.