More frequent filter and engine oil change due to haze

[nazerath]

I use carlube also didn't fare too well.

[Kklee]

  On 12/11/2015 at 9:27 AM, Tuangf said:

Borneo Motor maybe using 0W-20 engine oil on your vehicle. Lower viscosity oil improve fuel economy but tends to loose lubrication properties sooner, thus the oil shear leading to premature component wear (another way for Toyota to sell you more parts sooner)

 

BM uses w40.  

 

You mention about oil shearing and you said to get Carlube?   Here is one resource on Carlube.

 

http://www.mycarforum.com/topic/732031-used-oil-analysis-results-carlube-triple-r-5w40/

[Tuangf]

  On 12/11/2015 at 11:01 AM, Kklee said:

BM uses w40.  

 

You mention about oil shearing and you said to get Carlube?   Here is one resource on Carlube.

 

http://www.mycarforum.com/topic/732031-used-oil-analysis-results-carlube-triple-r-5w40/

Its legalised scam, if goods are bulit to last forever like they used to, then manufacturing/consumption/jobs will be cut back. Its head they win, tail you still loose. 

 

Goods are designed to fail exactly on time to encourage consumption. 

 

All consumer/industrial products are designed to be disposed off at end of useful life, the idea that things can be repaired has been tossed out of the window long ago.

 

As the vehicle age & wear, its better to use higher viscosity oil.

[Kklee]

  On 12/11/2015 at 10:59 AM, nazerath said:

I use carlube also didn't fare too well.

 

You just have to find the right EO for your application.

 

Just w40 alone, some are thicker than others.   The Cst ranges from 12.50-16.29.  

 

E.g.

Carlube 5w40 is 14.3 CsT

Redline 5w40 is 15.1 CsT

[Kklee]

  On 12/11/2015 at 11:11 AM, Tuangf said:

Its legalised scam, if goods are bulit to last forever like they used to, then manufacturing/consumption/jobs will be cut back. Its head they win, tail you still loose. 

 

Goods are designed to fail exactly on time to encourage consumption. 

 

All consumer/industrial products are designed to be disposed off at end of useful life, the idea that things can be repaired has been tossed out of the window long ago.

 

As the vehicle age & wear, its better to use higher viscosity oil.

 

So Carlube good or not ? 

 

IIRC, someone used a much lower viscosity oil on an aged Honda with good results.  I will wait if that someone responds.

[Tuangf]

I call it the Singapore car owners' syndrome; cheap things not good, good things not cheap.

 

Since all of us already paid more than S$100K for eg a corolla without all the bells & whistles, what is $150 engine oil for every 5000 km in comparison? Miniscule, right?

 

That same car is going for around US$20K (approx S$28K) with all the bells & whistles (which will push up further the price if introduced to Singapore market). Would anyone still spend S$150 for oil change every 5K km on a S$28K car??

 

But these 2 corolla are built exactly alike, so why throw money away??

 

All car manufacturers make more money selling us parts & services than selling the completed car itself.  Its a long term money milking process.  Why are car manufacturers giving us 3-5 years warranty?  this is so they can keep us hooked up, because we are afraid to loose the warranty if we didn't return the car to them for servicing (aka skinning).

 

Why are there so many high priced aftermarket parts & components manufacturers claiming to be OEM, claiming to perform better than stock, etc, etc, because higher priced parts are generally perceived to be superior. 

 

Aftermarket parts manufacturers cannot push their products to car manufacturer's inhouse service centers, but they have your "specialised" autoshops to do the same skinning.

[Tuangf]

  On 12/11/2015 at 11:36 AM, Kklee said:

So Carlube good or not ? 

 

IIRC, someone used a much lower viscosity oil on an aged Honda with good results.  I will wait if that someone responds.

I had driven my 7.5 year old corolla clocking almost 300K km now with S$19 Carlube, S$19 Schnell, S$39 Shell Helix Ultra, S$59 Mobil 1 & S$108 Motul.  I drive non stop between Singapore & KL in just over 3 hours about 2x a month, average 150km in Singapore everyday on expressways at 95+ kmh & jammed up streets.

 

To me there are no differents regardless of the brand you pour into your engine as long as you drain & replace the engine oil, oil filter, oil drain plug gasket, air filter every 10K km. Change spark plugs, coolant, ATF & brake fluid every 40K km, change serpentine belt every 80K km.  For me, front  brake pads last about 100K km, rear pads almost 180K km.  I only used stock parts from a shop in Little India at a fraction of Borneo Motor price . I get 14 km/liter without any nano engine flush...fuel injector flush...or octane booster. I run it on Esso 92 because its the cheapest.

 

The wear out parts that I changed myself after 200K km were the 2 front shock absorber & stabiliser links.

 

I stopped going to Borneo Motor after the 3 years warranty expired & had been servicing my car myself on my front porch ever since,

 

Spend a little time to learn DIY car service, spend a little money to get the tools, you will feel the satisfaction and most importantly, save $$$ & not get skinned by unscrupulous service center.

[Kklee]

  On 12/11/2015 at 1:29 PM, Tuangf said:

I had driven my 7.5 year old corolla clocking almost 300K km now with S$19 Carlube, S$19 Schnell, S$39 Shell Helix Ultra, S$59 Mobil 1 & S$108 Motul.  I drive non stop between Singapore & KL in just over 3 hours about 2x a month, average 150km in Singapore everyday on expressways at 95+ kmh & jammed up streets.

 

To me there are no differents regardless of the brand you pour into your engine as long as you drain & replace the engine oil, oil filter, oil drain plug gasket, air filter every 10K km. Change spark plugs, coolant, ATF & brake fluid every 40K km, change serpentine belt every 80K km.  For me, front  brake pads last about 100K km, rear pads almost 180K km.  I only used stock parts from a shop in Little India at a fraction of Borneo Motor price . I get 14 km/liter without any nano engine flush...fuel injector flush...or octane booster. I run it on Esso 92 because its the cheapest.

 

The wear out parts that I changed myself after 200K km were the 2 front shock absorber & stabiliser links.

 

I stopped going to Borneo Motor after the 3 years warranty expired & had been servicing my car myself on my front porch ever since,

 

Spend a little time to learn DIY car service, spend a little money to get the tools, you will feel the satisfaction and most importantly, save $$$ & not get skinned by unscrupulous service center.

 

 

I would say your driving conditions is not severe - which is why you cannot apply your same idea of maintenance to most others.

I also would say that driving at higher speed is less harsh on the engine oil - which is why racing oil does not contain a lot of detergent.

 

Anyway, yours a Toyota. 

 

P.S.  You calculation on the mileage does not tally.   If average 150km everyday, for 7.5 years, it is already 409,500 km excluding the SG <-> KL Mileage of about 129,600 km.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Kklee

[Kklee]

  On 12/11/2015 at 12:42 PM, Tuangf said:

I call it the Singapore car owners' syndrome; cheap things not good, good things not cheap.

 

Since all of us already paid more than S$100K for eg a corolla without all the bells & whistles, what is $150 engine oil for every 5000 km in comparison? Miniscule, right?

 

That same car is going for around US$20K (approx S$28K) with all the bells & whistles (which will push up further the price if introduced to Singapore market). Would anyone still spend S$150 for oil change every 5K km on a S$28K car??

 

But these 2 corolla are built exactly alike, so why throw money away??

 

All car manufacturers make more money selling us parts & services than selling the completed car itself.  Its a long term money milking process.  Why are car manufacturers giving us 3-5 years warranty?  this is so they can keep us hooked up, because we are afraid to loose the warranty if we didn't return the car to them for servicing (aka skinning).

 

Why are there so many high priced aftermarket parts & components manufacturers claiming to be OEM, claiming to perform better than stock, etc, etc, because higher priced parts are generally perceived to be superior. 

 

Aftermarket parts manufacturers cannot push their products to car manufacturer's inhouse service centers, but they have your "specialised" autoshops to do the same skinning.

 

I hope every salaried worker's pay increase by at least a small percentage every year to perhaps - improve their standard of living or offset the standard of living.  Likewise, I hope that applies to me as well.  

Edited December 11, 2015 by Kklee

[Tuangf]

  On 12/11/2015 at 2:21 PM, Kklee said:

I would say your driving conditions is not severe - which is why you cannot apply your same idea of maintenance to most others.

I also would say that driving at higher speed is less harsh on the engine oil - which is why racing oil does not contain a lot of detergent.

 

Anyway, yours a Toyota. 

Guess you driving european car? they were maintenance intensive, with all the sensors monitoring every thing, small blips will shut down the ECU & you'll be stuck with a dead car.

 

My first car 30 years ago was a fiat, 2nd car Renault, after which i give up and go toyota ever since. Fiat & Renault for me were too finicky, completely unreliable, parts are difficult to get &  cost an arm or leg, hope they are better now.

[Tuangf]

  On 12/11/2015 at 2:21 PM, Kklee said:

I would say your driving conditions is not severe - which is why you cannot apply your same idea of maintenance to most others.

I also would say that driving at higher speed is less harsh on the engine oil - which is why racing oil does not contain a lot of detergent.

 

Anyway, yours a Toyota. 

 

P.S.  You calculation on the mileage does not tally.   If average 150km everyday, for 7.5 years, it is already 409,500 km excluding the SG <-> KL Mileage of about 129,600 km.

Yes, less than your calculated 410K km because 1st 3 years serviced at Borneo Motor was very expensive, was very caution about using the car, was not driving it like i described.

 

After I do my own servicing, I didnt care any more, anyway, the car is getting old, I intend to maximise its usage until scrap.

[Kklee]

  On 12/11/2015 at 2:42 PM, Tuangf said:

Guess you driving european car? they were maintenance intensive, with all the sensors monitoring every thing, small blips will shut down the ECU & you'll be stuck with a dead car.

 

My first car 30 years ago was a fiat, 2nd car Renault, after which i give up and go toyota ever since. Fiat & Renault for me were too finicky, completely unreliable, parts are difficult to get &  cost an arm or leg, hope they are better now.

 

Current Car - Toyota Altis

Previous Car - Chevrolet Optra.  The only thing European about it is the Lotus tuned suspension. 

 

And I am not a taxi driver. 

 

Like I said,  depends on engine design, usage and driving pattern. 

  On 12/11/2015 at 2:52 PM, Tuangf said:

Yes, less than your calculated 410K km because 1st 3 years serviced at Borneo Motor was very expensive, was very caution about using the car, was not driving it like i described.

 

After I do my own servicing, I didnt care any more, anyway, the car is getting old, I intend to maximise its usage until scrap.

 

 

Eh... car is for use. 

[Tuangf]

  On 12/11/2015 at 2:58 PM, Kklee said:

Current Car - Toyota Altis

Previous Car - Chevrolet Optra.  The only thing European about it is the Lotus tuned suspension. 

 

And I am not a taxi driver. 

 

Like I said,  depends on engine design, usage and driving pattern. 

 

 

Eh... car is for use. 

Yes, should get a taxi to drive,  nothing shameful, can make some money on the side.

[Tuangf]

On another note, we have a highly mechanised & intensively trained SAF where all able-body males serve full-time NS then continue to train as reservists after ROD well into mid-40.

 

The irony is that it is amazing to find many male car owners who are afraid to get their hands dirty to pump their own gas, check the tire pressure, or change out punctured tire or know how to jump start a vehicle with dead battery.

 

We are no longer the hardy or self-reliance nation. We have become a nation that rely on paying for someone else to do our dirty jobs but continuously complain about the high cost of living.  No wonder it continues to be a challenge to get foodies to clear their tables at food centers

[flashbang]

  On 12/13/2015 at 3:56 AM, Tuangf said:

On another note, we have a highly mechanised & intensively trained SAF where all able-body males serve full-time NS then continue to train as reservists after ROD well into mid-40.

 

The irony is that it is amazing to find many male car owners who are afraid to get their hands dirty to pump their own gas, check the tire pressure, or change out punctured tire or know how to jump start a vehicle with dead battery.

 

We are no longer the hardy or self-reliance nation. We have become a nation that rely on paying for someone else to do our dirty jobs but continuously complain about the high cost of living.  No wonder it continues to be a challenge to get foodies to clear their tables at food centers

 

In a way, I see it as I am contributing to creating jobs for Singaporeans (hopefully). If every car owner pumps his own petrol and every person clears their own plates, it will be a matter of time before all the pump attendants are laid off and the number of cleaners reduced. 

 

For example, air con maintenance. If I call the guy to come, he is going to charge me $100. Now I just learned from him and I can clean it myself every 6 months for free. If everybody does that, he will soon lose all his maintenance work.

[t0y0ta]

  On 12/13/2015 at 4:41 AM, flashbang said:

In a way, I see it as I am contributing to creating jobs for Singaporeans (hopefully). If every car owner pumps his own petrol and every person clears their own plates, it will be a matter of time before all the pump attendants are laid off and the number of cleaners reduced. 

 

For example, air con maintenance. If I call the guy to come, he is going to charge me $100. Now I just learned from him and I can clean it myself every 6 months for free. If everybody does that, he will soon lose all his maintenance work.

 

The other side of the argument is that if people can do more DIY and higher productivity - we need less foreign labour. This is what I observe in Australia/Japan.

 

Of course to each his own. Many want to spend $$ to outsource dirty work - fair and square since it is their own money.

[Tuangf]

  On 12/13/2015 at 4:41 AM, flashbang said:

In a way, I see it as I am contributing to creating jobs for Singaporeans (hopefully). If every car owner pumps his own petrol and every person clears their own plates, it will be a matter of time before all the pump attendants are laid off and the number of cleaners reduced. 

 

For example, air con maintenance. If I call the guy to come, he is going to charge me $100. Now I just learned from him and I can clean it myself every 6 months for free. If everybody does that, he will soon lose all his maintenance work.

Wonder how many of such jobs so created are actually benefitting Singaporean employees.  How often we come across Singaporean auto mechanics, gas pump attendants, gas pump cashiers, dish washers, air-con technicians, thrash collector etc etc?

 

Wish we can have less foreigners amongst us, then every Singaporean can have a wee bit more space in our tiny country.

[Earthboy]

agree with you 100% but I don't think your engine appreciate the different between Ron92/95 or 19$/109$ engine oil.

 

  On 12/11/2015 at 1:29 PM, Tuangf said:

I had driven my 7.5 year old corolla clocking almost 300K km now with S$19 Carlube, S$19 Schnell, S$39 Shell Helix Ultra, S$59 Mobil 1 & S$108 Motul.  I drive non stop between Singapore & KL in just over 3 hours about 2x a month, average 150km in Singapore everyday on expressways at 95+ kmh & jammed up streets.

 

To me there are no differents regardless of the brand you pour into your engine as long as you drain & replace the engine oil, oil filter, oil drain plug gasket, air filter every 10K km. Change spark plugs, coolant, ATF & brake fluid every 40K km, change serpentine belt every 80K km.  For me, front  brake pads last about 100K km, rear pads almost 180K km.  I only used stock parts from a shop in Little India at a fraction of Borneo Motor price . I get 14 km/liter without any nano engine flush...fuel injector flush...or octane booster. I run it on Esso 92 because its the cheapest.

 

The wear out parts that I changed myself after 200K km were the 2 front shock absorber & stabiliser links.

 

I stopped going to Borneo Motor after the 3 years warranty expired & had been servicing my car myself on my front porch ever since,

 

Spend a little time to learn DIY car service, spend a little money to get the tools, you will feel the satisfaction and most importantly, save $$$ & not get skinned by unscrupulous service center.

 

Edited December 13, 2015 by Earthboy