Discussion: The Aftermath of Repeal of Section 377A.

[Asher]

Discussion: The Aftermath of Repeal of Section 377A

 

We should have a proper discussion on the implications of the repeal of Section 377A, a law which arguable discriminates homosexual males. Recently we see that the gay couple has a lot of support from the community (gay community, i presume), as evidenced by the funds they've received in such a short time, which enables them to file their case of repealing S377A with the higher Courts.

 

New Zealand recently allowed gay marriages and the liberals will be using that to argue their case. Personally I do not agree that Singapore should follow what the liberals and western system advocates. Whatever it works for western countries may not work in Singapore. The westerners think their system is superior and they tend to encourage other nations to adopt their system. One good example is the recent "liberation" of Myanmar, the liberation of Myanmar follows only the U.S standard. I always asked myself why can't the westerners follow the China system or Japanese system instead?

 

What if 377A is repealed? What difference is it going to make to Singaporean's lives? Probably not much. If you want to have sex, you will still have sex in the privacy of your own room. But I think we will be seeing more public display of affection between gay men. I think I am okay with that. My nephew in primary school has asked me why the male bangladeshi workers holding their hands in public. He told me only girls hold hands when they go to the toilet. I told my nephew that that bangldeshis are very brotherly and that is their culture. I don't know what I am going to say to him if he saw 2 guys holding hands or kissing.

 

Naturally, after the successfull repeal of 377A, I think the liberals will lobby for gay marriages. It is going to be a big overhaul of our laws: Woman's charter, Muslim Marriage Act and Inheritance Act as I remember these laws specifically use the word "woman". I am sure the word "spouse" has to be re-defined. Male-gay couples have no problems with adopting children as there is a loophole in the adoption system in Singapore which allows a single male to adopt children as long as the adopter passes the minimum age requirement.

 

How is the gay-couple going to enroll their children in public schools? MOE will have to overhaul their forms to remove the terms "father" and "mother". In other words, the terms "father" and "mother" may even be seen as discriminatory.

 

What about TV drama and media? Is there going to be an overhaul and reflect 2 guys holding hands, "paktor-ing"? I meant, if you only show male-and-female couple, it is discriminatory to the gay couples!

 

Am I thinking too much? Maybe I shouldn't drink so much at night.

 

Gdnite. I'm off to beD.

 

 

[Felipe]

u can simply tell yr nephew some guys like guys. Most guys will like girls though. If he's too young to understand, then what if he ask u how he came about? Show him a sex video?

 

Now will yr nephew suddenly start liking guys if he knows guys can like guys? i doubt it.

 

As for the repeal, i believe there's no law that say gay men can't show their affection in public. As for sex in public, it applies to all, gay or not, it's illegal.

 

So what's the point of having a law that criminalises what gays do in private anyway? Furthermore, no one implements this law. tbh, if we think this way, then the correct way would be to criminalise being gay altogether, sex or not.

 

It's not a western issue. It's a human rights issue. They can choose the life they want cos fact is, some gays do lead meaningful rships. In fact, i think some gays lead more meaningful rships than heterosexual marriages!

[Gitanic]

and forums too.

[Hamburger]

Bottom line....

 

Gays had no place in Singapore. At least not yet....

 

Move to NZ if really buay tahan...

[Toothiewabbit]

You think we are ready to let our children to grow up thinking that gay relationships are normal, if gay sex/marriage is legalised in Singapore?

[Jman888]

Bottom line....

 

Gays had no place in Singapore. At least not yet....

 

Move to NZ if really buay tahan...

 

 

buay tahan can go hotel 81 or do it at home, but not in public

[Gitanic]

 

 

 

 

 

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[Vid]

If gays want to do it in the privacy of their own room or hotels, go ahead. I seriously don't think why they have to do it publicly. What purpose does it serve? That they love each other so much they have to hold hands and hug in public? Sorry, I don't buy that.

[Darthrevan]

Bottom line....

 

Gays had no place in Singapore. At least not yet....

 

Move to NZ if really buay tahan...

 

not true..more than just NZ..the following countries allows same-sex marriage..Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Brazil, Mexico, USA

 

these countries are pending the passing of the bill..Andorra, Colombia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg, Nepal, Taiwan,U.K, Uruguay

[Dfx16]

Visit sentosa at night u can see men holding hands sometimes with affection in the public

That really put me off when I'm with my kids

 

[Earthboy]

if they can find a male dog than will shoot another male dog than go ahead and legalize it.

[Damienic]

You think we are ready to let our children to grow up thinking that gay relationships are normal, if gay sex/marriage is legalised in Singapore?

 

Repealing rule 377A doesn't equate to endorsing that gay relationships are normal. Why do people still continue to link the two together? As for legalizing gay/marriage, we are not even talking bout that. Rule 377a has nothing to do with legalizing gay marriage.

[Damienic]

buay tahan can go hotel 81 or do it at home, but not in public

 

Of course not in public. Even heterosexual sex done in public is against the law.

[Asher]

Human rights issues is a western concept. I am not against western ideals. But simply dismayed by the perception that western ideals are always better and individual countries must embrace western concepts when most have failed to understand individual countries have cultural context and western values may not be suitable.

 

What's the point of having a law that bans possession of pornography anyway (please correct me if i am wrong)? Police don't raid your house to check your harddisk for Jap AV. :)

 

u can simply tell yr nephew some guys like guys. Most guys will like girls though. If he's too young to understand, then what if he ask u how he came about? Show him a sex video?

 

Now will yr nephew suddenly start liking guys if he knows guys can like guys? i doubt it.

 

As for the repeal, i believe there's no law that say gay men can't show their affection in public. As for sex in public, it applies to all, gay or not, it's illegal.

 

So what's the point of having a law that criminalises what gays do in private anyway? Furthermore, no one implements this law. tbh, if we think this way, then the correct way would be to criminalise being gay altogether, sex or not.

 

It's not a western issue. It's a human rights issue. They can choose the life they want cos fact is, some gays do lead meaningful rships. In fact, i think some gays lead more meaningful rships than heterosexual marriages!

 

[Asher]

It's more of a religious question than cultural. Therefore, don't think I'd like to discuss it in a car forum.

 

I hope the discussion can refrain from touching religion issues. I was a little drunk last night. I am just approaching the issue from the angle that there is going to be many problems that may arise from the successful repeal of 377A, especially the many laws that is going to be amended and word redefined; many institutions are going to amend their forms, HR processes as well.

 

On a broader angle, the whole society and system is going to be affected.

[Philipkee]

I will vote NOT to repeal section 377A as it is against what i believe in. Yes i am a Christian but that is irrelevant here. I vote according to what i believe in and not vote because of this abstract concept called human rights.

[Felipe]

You think we are ready to let our children to grow up thinking that gay relationships are normal, if gay sex/marriage is legalised in Singapore?

Its not the norm, but it exists. Thats the point of legalising it. Like smoking, its legal but is it normal?

[Nlatio]

Just leave the law as it is.... then go and do whatever one is happy...... stick pop stick... hole rub hole... in privacy of own home... no one know, no one care....