Another COE REQUEST! will it never end?

[Watwheels]

  On 2/7/2013 at 2:37 AM, RadX said:

Offer COE rebates to families with special-needs members

Published on Feb 07, 2013

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I APPLAUD the Government's efforts in restricting car ownership ("COE categories for cars could be reviewed"; yesterday).

 

But while car ownership is generally perceived as a luxury, it is a necessity for some families.

 

As a mother of an autistic child, taking my son for long rides on MRT trains or public buses is a challenge due to his heightened sensory sensitivity to noise and crowds. On long rides, he will often fuss or, worse, suffer a full meltdown to the annoyance of other commuters.

 

Taking taxis for routine trips is very costly and hard to sustain for an average-income family. Many families with elderly members or those with mental and physical disabilities face the same problem.

 

Improving Singapore's public transport network and accessibility is of little or no help to us.

 

At the same time, there is a growing number of households with more than one car, often because they can afford them and not because they need them. To help those who really need a car, some changes could be made to the current system:

 

Give priority and certificate of entitlement (COE) rebates to families with members who have special needs, for first-car ownership per household;

Impose a flat COE rate on first-car ownership per household, with subsequent cars per household subjected to the bidding system; and

Have a separate COE category for luxury cars.

 

 

Chia Su-Yee (Ms)

I think she never do her sums. Owning and maintaining a car is even more costly dan taking a cab.

 

I wonder how much the COE rebate she has in mind?? 100% is it?

 

Why she take her autistic son on long rides? If she owns a car it's even more dangerous. Her son will distract and annoy her as she drives.

 

If everyone give their lame ass reason to get priority, there will be no end.

[Atonchia]

Wouldn't taking taxi is cheaper?

[Yeshe]

  On 2/7/2013 at 12:36 PM, Watwheels said:

I think she never do her sums. Owning and maintaining a car is even more costly dan taking a cab.

 

I wonder how much the COE rebate she has in mind?? 100% is it?

 

Why she take her autistic son on long rides? If she owns a car it's even more dangerous. Her son will distract and annoy her as she drives.

 

If everyone give their lame ass reason to get priority, there will be no end.

 

because she never own one, so she thinks that car no need do servicing, no need change tires [laugh]

[Ladykillerz]

sorry but i think it makes no sense.

it is like saying, there are many poor people, govt should give them money.

 

a rich person can owned many cars but he/she will only drive one car at a time unless he/she is an octopus.

if we restrict rich people (investors/employers) owning one person per car rule, the rich person will either use his/her workers' names or migrate to other country.

suck thumb.

 

a salesperson need a car, an insurance agent need a car, a marketer need a car, and so on.

this is endless to compare which needs are higher than the others' needs.

 

let's be fair. we know owning a car in Singapore is a luxury. you got $$$, you buy. you don't, you take public.

this is more logical.

 

if everything is put it as balance as possible, the rich will not want to declare his/her wealth and the poor become lazy.

 

this topic is indeed endless and everyone will feel that they need a car more than anyone else.

 

let's go back to basic.

why COE is a big problem now?

 

simple. the massive influx of population and also, the lack of infrastructure that causing not just COE, but many many other problems.

Majulah Singapura! Majulah PAP!

[Gendut]

Lets hope that idiot woman with a Phd brings this up in Paliament.

[Benarsenal]

  On 2/7/2013 at 12:08 PM, Kiadaw said:

You are not wrong bro, but one have to think in context of Singapore. By this logic, than almost all household must have at least a car in Singapore. That is simply not possible. Also if one have a family member with sickness, it will be costly for them. having a car only add to the burden, even without high COE price. Also even if you family have a car, unless the car is sitting near the doorstep, & not someone used it & is parked somewhere else, have a car is no better than taking a cab, that one can flag in 5-10 mins.

 

There are possible solutions to the roblem you mention about emergency, but nope of them involve buying a car. If people are honest, they are just finding a mean they can get a car cheap, or/and not looking for a realistic solution to their problem (if thie problem isn't die die must have car). We can have taxi design to take poriority to emerergy call, or have emerergy centers within 10 mins of any household to catred to emergency. I am sure many can think of better solutions, if people do not keep thinking that they MUST have a car.

 

The part in bold, I beg to differ. Even with booking I've waited damn near 45 mins before.

 

I gather that a lot of people have these thoughts about the convenience of driving is because our public transport system and infrastructure is still woefully inadequate. Until the day comes whereby majority of trips are far more efficient with public transport (meaning easy accessibility, short wait, short journey times), there will still be many people like these who think driving is faster/easier/more convenient than public transport.

[Roadie]

Balloting for COEs will reduce winning chances

 

SINGAPORE: Balloting for Certificates of Entitlement (COEs) will generate additional demand and reduce the winning chances for those who really want to buy a car, said Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo. Mrs Teo made the point in Parliament on Friday in response to MP Denise Phua, who asked if the system can be modified to allow for balloting. Mrs Teo said with balloting, even those who have no real intention to buy a car would try their luck. "This is especially because the 'prize' of the ballot, in this case a COE, will be much sought after, and a person who wins the ballot can quite easily decide to cash out," she added.

 

Mrs Teo said there could also be a black market where balloted COEs are resold to genuine car buyers at a much higher price.She said there will also be a need to fix "some arbitrary price for COEs" given out under a balloting system. Mrs Teo said the price has to be high enough to deter speculators and yet not too high for people who would like to own cars. She added: "The member will agree that this is next to impossible as any price that is lower than what people are willing to pay will attract speculators."

 

- CNA/al

 

Agree with above. Balloting is not a solution. Will only open up the process to abuse with speculators buying COEs and then selling to real buyers at inflated price. If ban resale of COE, then genuine buyers who need to sell car for real financial crisis or going overseas issue will get impacted.

 

Basically the current COE system can be tweaked a little, but nothing can be done to make cars affordable for everyone unless we reclaim another 100sq km of land and dont increase population...

Edited February 8, 2013 by Roadie

[13177]

No need to troublesome, just release more COE quota like back in 2006-2009 period, the high COE problem will be solved.

[Ungtiong]

maintenance, taxes, insurance, carpark, repair & petrol cost alone more than taking taxi. I know it but i still want to drive a car.simply because i like it. i know its a luxury as i feel better driving a car than taking a taxi (like wearing a branded watch or branded shoes).

 

as for traffic, CBD can only hold so many ppl, even in a land as big as the US, their cities are jammed packed and traffic jams are very bad. even if cars are reduced by 1/2 and our land increased by 2x, Orchard Rd will STILL be jammed. I remember 20 years ago, waiting almost 2 hrs in the taxi queue at Centerpoint. The roads were just as jammed. The planner never design the roads properly (Newton Circus was a death trap, and still is)

Edited February 8, 2013 by Ungtiong

[Roadie]

  On 2/8/2013 at 8:51 AM, 13177 said:

No need to troublesome, just release more COE quota like back in 2006-2009 period, the high COE problem will be solved.

 

 

Right now tightening the COE supply and before next GE just open it up.

Sure got COE coming down and all people drive in their car to vote for PAP.

[Givechance]

Just release more motorcycle COE.

There are many three wheels motorcycle that is just as stable as a car. Very good for solo transportation to work and run errands.

Else just buy/rent/stay in a place with MRT. And look for a job/shopping/Childcare/etc that is also near a MRT.

This is the future of Singapore CITY.......think CITY......

In many cities around the world.....people travels around using tubes and bicycles and walk.

 

[Yeshe]

  On 2/8/2013 at 8:48 AM, Roadie said:

Balloting for COEs will reduce winning chances

 

SINGAPORE: Balloting for Certificates of Entitlement (COEs) will generate additional demand and reduce the winning chances for those who really want to buy a car, said Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo. Mrs Teo made the point in Parliament on Friday in response to MP Denise Phua, who asked if the system can be modified to allow for balloting. Mrs Teo said with balloting, even those who have no real intention to buy a car would try their luck. "This is especially because the 'prize' of the ballot, in this case a COE, will be much sought after, and a person who wins the ballot can quite easily decide to cash out," she added.

 

Mrs Teo said there could also be a black market where balloted COEs are resold to genuine car buyers at a much higher price.She said there will also be a need to fix "some arbitrary price for COEs" given out under a balloting system. Mrs Teo said the price has to be high enough to deter speculators and yet not too high for people who would like to own cars. She added: "The member will agree that this is next to impossible as any price that is lower than what people are willing to pay will attract speculators."

 

- CNA/al

 

Agree with above. Balloting is not a solution. Will only open up the process to abuse with speculators buying COEs and then selling to real buyers at inflated price. If ban resale of COE, then genuine buyers who need to sell car for real financial crisis or going overseas issue will get impacted.

 

Basically the current COE system can be tweaked a little, but nothing can be done to make cars affordable for everyone unless we reclaim another 100sq km of land and dont increase population...

 

 

why all these MPs no brains one? so many voices in the public already given some workable suggestions like

 

1) disallow AD from bidding COE on behalf of buyer

2) pay as you bid instead of the lowest accepted bid

3) no loan for COE

 

i got a feeling, sometime down the road, 1 MP will suggest this and they push through the policy and applaud it as the most successful policy on vehicle population control when everyone else already know donkey years ago

[Thaiyotakamli]

Who dont want car?

Either u have the money or shuddap!

If u think u cant afford a car, go and take mrt/cab, wads wrong with it? Millions riding it daily

[Maseratigood]

  On 2/8/2013 at 10:26 AM, Thaiyotakamli said:

Who dont want car?

Either u have the money or shuddap!

If u think u cant afford a car, go and take mrt/cab, wads wrong with it? Millions riding it daily

Hold you're horse.... There are special needs citizens eg wheelchair bound etc who, based on current state of facilities/services for such persons, can't rely on public transport on a regular basis when they need to move from A to B to make a basic level of living for them and their dependents.

 

Is our society going to deprive them to move around in a partially subsidized small car?

 

My fren is on wheel chair but drives around, he is fortunate to earn enough to own a basic car but not all similarly challenge guys have the means without some forms of help eg discount on COE.

 

 

Can spare a thought for these fellow citizens?

[Thaiyotakamli]

  On 2/8/2013 at 11:33 AM, Maseratigood said:

Hold you're horse.... There are special needs citizens eg wheelchair bound etc who, based on current state of facilities/services for such persons, can't rely on public transport on a regular basis when they need to move from A to B to make a basic level of living for them and their dependents.

 

Is our society going to deprive them to move around in a partially subsidized small car?

 

My fren is on wheel chair but drives around, he is fortunate to earn enough to own a basic car but not all similarly challenge guys have the means without some forms of help eg discount on COE.

 

 

Can spare a thought for these fellow citizens?

Yes exception only to that special needs. But those with babies or wadsoever have no right to have special coe cos simply majority have babies and they are middle class as well, how?

 

Fyi i have car and also cater the purpose for my grandma who in wheelchair. Every weekend its not convenient to take public transport thats y we see a need to have car. But i think for parent with babies, dont think they need car more than the wheelchair

[Maseratigood]

  On 2/8/2013 at 11:56 AM, Thaiyotakamli said:

Yes exception only to that special needs. But those with babies or wadsoever have no right to have special coe cos simply majority have babies and they are middle class as well, how?

 

Fyi i have car and also cater the purpose for my grandma who in wheelchair. Every weekend its not convenient to take public transport thats y we see a need to have car. But i think for parent with babies, dont think they need car more than the wheelchair

we are on the same page then....

[Hosaybo]

suggestions of balloting, priority for certain people etc has been mentioned many times by the people. Maybe the reason they have those stupid suggestions up is to enable them to make official rebutt and to drive the point that dispite its flaw, the current coe way is better.

[Beng2]

  On 2/7/2013 at 3:18 AM, Mockngbrd said:

all these farkers cannot buy used car ar?

Nooo... used car are time bombs which will break down every day..

 

 

When it's time to scrap my current car, I will be buying a 2005/6 car coz I'm not willing to pay so much for the COE. No money or not willing to pay for sky-high COE? Don't buy new car. It's not the Government's job to make cars affordable to everyone.

 

One thing I must admit though, is when new cars are cheaper, so will be my 2005/2006 car. So, while I hope COE will be cheaper, I will only buy a B&B 2005 car instead of KPKB to government.