PE By election Results and Analysis

[XenonWhite]

Absolutely rubbish

A good leader need not to be talented, but must have a talented team to help him run

 

From what i see, the current govt, with a few exception of its ministers, is nothing near the word 'talented'

 

Btw scholars good at academics don't necessary equate to talents

 

 

i fully agree.. A good leader does not equate being talented in the things he's doing.. A talented person does not equate being a good leader.

[Mllcg]

Serious question here: How many of us here are ready for the eventual day when PAP no longer forms the majority government?

 

Personally, I am all for it. It might take a few years of stumbling as the new incumbent finds its feet, but for me, anything but the current situation is worth a try.

 

WP also has plenty of work to do from now till the next election IMO. It has to prepare for the ultimate scenario, where it topples the PAP and gets a say in Government. Therefore it has to start assembling its team for such a scenario, and plan ahead should that day come.

 

Many other countries with two party system, the opposition has what it calls a Shadow Cabinet, whereby they have a full complement of shadow 'Ministers' ready to take over should they find themselves in charge of Government. WP should start forming its Shadow Cabinet. If anything, this will at least sooth the worriers that they are not ready to take charge.

 

for a start, i would want the opposition to for the 1/3 minority so policies cannot be just blindly pushed around.

 

after that, then we see a 50/50.

 

after 50/50 then talk about majority

 

1 election isnt enough for a "new" govt

Edited January 27, 2013 by Mllcg

[Lethalstrike]

I am ready and all for it as well. I am sure they are already considering the possibilities. From my impression of them, i believe they would find it irresponsible to not plan for such contingencies. If the day does ever come, i also believe they they will not immediately turn everything upside down, but would seek a tempered and gradual shift in governance and policies.

 

I also don't believe that foreign investors and MNCs are going to run away from Singapore screaming like the fearmongers are predicting. They might be cautious but it would be ridiculous to just pull out without studying the changed situation first and establishing communications with the new leadership. The fact at WP are non-abrasive and even-tempered (i really respect LTK for his composure and tact) will stand them in good stead.

 

Of course i don't envy the task, there will probably be a lot of skeletons discovered in the closet and a lot of convoluted webs to untangle. But like i said before, it's not like the civil service is going to disappear overnight.

 

Well, if you looked at the situation in Thailand, it is the very example in which the government changes hands a few times within the last decade.

 

But, observe closely and it is clear that no matter Party A or Party B is power, they are all pro-business and FDIs because without appeasing and finding jobs for the people, it is politically suicidal. That's the reason why the influx of FDIs had made them the Detroit of South East Asia. Simple as that.

 

My take is that as long as the inherent stability within the society is not in turmoil, and a peaceful transition of power between different governments is possible, MNCs and FDIs will continue to be attracted to Singapore. This remains true so long the government in power does not come out with funny proposals like China, where a certain percentage of any foreign capital investments had to be owned by the government.

 

 

[Silver_blade]

I would not worry too much as of now. Unless the opp has some really crazy leaders with weird idea. Many forgot this is what civil servant are for...to keep the country going and to inform whoever take over as gov how the country is being run. Unless new leaders wants a drastic change, I don't see a sudden decline in a country. But having said that, there must a be a core group of people who are good with foreign policy and dealings, etc.

[Alim]

for a start, i would want the opposition to for the 1/3 minority so policies cannot be just blindly pushed around.

 

after that, then we see a 50/50.

 

after 50/50 then talk about majority

 

1 election isnt enough for a "new" govt

 

Still a long way unless there are freak results.

 

Based on last GE, probably East Coast GRC, Joo Chiat, Potong Pasir , SMC, may be Mountbatten smcare potential for opposition to take. Altogether, 8. Together with current 7. It will be 15 out of 87 seats.

 

Need at least 3 more GRCs before we can get 1/3. It will be a tall task.

Edited January 27, 2013 by Alim

[Duckduck]

Well, if you looked at the situation in Thailand, it is the very example in which the government changes hands a few times within the last decade.

 

But, observe closely and it is clear that no matter Party A or Party B is power, they are all pro-business and FDIs because without appeasing and finding jobs for the people, it is politically suicidal. That's the reason why the influx of FDIs had made them the Detroit of South East Asia. Simple as that.

 

My take is that as long as the inherent stability within the society is not in turmoil, and a peaceful transition of power between different governments is possible, MNCs and FDIs will continue to be attracted to Singapore. This remains true so long the government in power does not come out with funny proposals like China, where a certain percentage of any foreign capital investments had to be owned by the government.

 

thats your idealistic POV. reality is nobody can guarantee such things to happen. Thats y india is such a mess, USA cant even agree on their budget, australia has hung parliament & UK parliament is like a fish mkt shouting everywhere.

 

Ed Miliband vs David Cameron

 

in other words, politics suck & the day WP becomes the majority, they will also get attacked & roles reversed.

Edited January 27, 2013 by Duckduck

[Assaxefour]

The feeling i felt last night is similar to what i felt when singapore won the malaysia cup, when ang peng sing won silver medal at the olympic, when i sang the national anthem when i participated in the NDP during my NS days. Sigh! haven't had this feeling for a long time.. guess i still love my country

[Alim]

The feeling i felt last night is similar to what i felt when singapore won the malaysia cup, when ang peng sing won silver medal at the olympic, when i sang the national anthem when i participated in the NDP during my NS days. Sigh! haven't had this feeling for a long time.. guess i still love my country

 

Funny that you should say this. I heard loud cheers echoing around my estate similar when we won the M'sia Cup.

[Yeshe]

Funny that you should say this. I heard loud cheers echoing around my estate similar when we won the M'sia Cup.

 

last night when the result was announced, my estate here in the west got people using the air horn to celebrate, also got people singing LOL [laugh]

[Silver_blade]

thats your idealistic POV. reality is nobody can guarantee such things to happen. Thats y india is such a mess, USA cant even agree on their budget, australia has hung parliament & UK parliament is like a fish mkt shouting everywhere.

 

Ed Miliband vs David Cameron

 

in other words, politics suck & the day WP becomes the majority, they will also get attacked & roles reversed.

I don't think life will necessary be bad under WP or any other party. I think the problem will be if we have a hung parliament, a lousy coalition gov, 2 major party fight for the sake of fighting.

[Lethalstrike]

thats your idealistic POV. reality is nobody can guarantee such things to happen. Thats y india is such a mess, USA cant even agree on their budget, australia has hung parliament & UK parliament is like a fish mkt shouting everywhere.

 

Ed Miliband vs David Cameron

 

I don't think why mine POV was idealistic in any sense. If you read my post, i was only addressing to Myxilplix's point in which he mentioned that foreign investments and MNCs would pack their bags immediately if WP comes into power. Nothing about the bickering between 2 sides in a Parliament.

 

I felt that so long the alternative government realises that Singapore is still very much dependant on foreign investments for sustainability and growth, and advocates a peaceful transition, then it will set the stage for better things to come.

 

If my POV is idealistic, then what do you suggest then? Go back to a 1 dominant party, in which its 90% WP or 90% PAP? This is back to square one.

 

 

 

 

[TheRationalVoice]

I guessed somebody will say comments like yours and I was right.

 

I think many ppl do not listen to what questions were being asked. Many of the questions were asked in relation to the party as a whole, that's why the Chiarman SL do the answering coz she would have a better idea. I thought they were pretty well coordinated as in they were not fighting for the mic to answer. LLL only answered when called upon by name or questions regarding PE.

 

Why not watch the interview again before you comment? This time pay attention to what was asked or what the questions were.

 

 

 

Being a MP involves a role of leadership. It's not like being a lowly soldier in the army. Leadership requires the ability to lead. The ability to lead hinges on knowledge. LLL represents the WP. As a leader she should know what her party is doing. She is not much of a leader if she does not know what her party is doing.

 

If, as you claim, she does not know what her party is up to, then, by your own assertion, she is a soldier, and, therefore, not fit to be a leader.

 

In fact, would you have voted for her if she had ran alone? I am sure votes went in her favour because she was representing WP. Hence, a victory for WP, not her.

[Albeniz]

The feeling i felt last night is similar to what i felt when singapore won the malaysia cup, when ang peng sing won silver medal at the olympic, when i sang the national anthem when i participated in the NDP during my NS days. Sigh! haven't had this feeling for a long time.. guess i still love my country

 

What about the day when the ping pong aunties bring back the trophy? Did you have that same feeling also?

Edited January 27, 2013 by Albeniz

[Duckduck]

I don't think why mine POV was idealistic in any sense. If you read my post, i was only addressing to Myxilplix's point in which he mentioned that foreign investments and MNCs would pack their bags immediately if WP comes into power. Nothing about the bickering between 2 sides in a Parliament.

 

I felt that so long the alternative government realises that Singapore is still very much dependant on foreign investments for sustainability and growth, and advocates a peaceful transition, then it will set the stage for better things to come.

 

If my POV is idealistic, then what do you suggest then? Go back to a 1 dominant party, in which its 90% WP or 90% PAP? This is back to square one.

 

 

I also dun have solution, just take it as it comes. That's Wat I meant by idealistic coz that's a good outcome, but nobody can confirm itll b so smooth.

[Yeshe]

What about the day when the ping pong aunties bring back the trophy? Did you have that same feeling also?

 

mmm.. liddat i suggest the gahmen to buy over barcalona and send the whole team to world cup, same feeling [laugh]

[Silver_blade]

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In fact, would you have voted for her if she had ran alone? I am sure votes went in her favour because she was representing WP. Hence, a victory for WP, not her.

Agree with you on this. I find all the candidates are fairly equal (except for Desmond Lim). In fact, I find KJ should be very slightly better (if I have to chose). The only diff was the banner they were contesting under.

[TheRationalVoice]

The feeling i felt last night is similar to what i felt when singapore won the malaysia cup, when ang peng sing won silver medal at the olympic, when i sang the national anthem when i participated in the NDP during my NS days. Sigh! haven't had this feeling for a long time.. guess i still love my country

 

If I get you right, you are saying that WP's win is a win for Singapore as a whole. I do not think this is a victory for Singapore. 46% did not vote for WP.

[Yewheng]

Being a MP involves a role of leadership. It's not like being a lowly soldier in the army. Leadership requires the ability to lead. The ability to lead hinges on knowledge. LLL represents the WP. As a leader she should know what her party is doing. She is not much of a leader if she does not know what her party is doing.

 

If, as you claim, she does not know what her party is up to, then, by your own assertion, she is a soldier, and, therefore, not fit to be a leader.

 

In fact, would you have voted for her if she had ran alone? I am sure votes went in her favour because she was representing WP. Hence, a victory for WP, not her.

 

How do one know she is not a good leader where she does not have chance to be seated as a mp till just started today? Also how would one know surgeon is a good leader where he just step into elections just 2 wks plus ago? Both do not have any record to show they are leader don't they? So sometimes it's just about faith and trust given to the party that the party will do their best to fit best candidates for the residents.

Edited January 27, 2013 by Yewheng