SG Navy accident

[Hamburger]

you by far wrote a most sensible post...

 

quite many imo are too carried away by the incident.

 

it's a heart wrenching accident but to be branded as hero is overboard. if that's the case, those who die in construction building are also to be given state funeral as they are also contributing to nation building.

 

just citing a senario and not being disrespectful.

[Hamburger]

my heart goes out to the victim of this unfortunate accident.

 

God bless and is always with him.

[Cerano]

imho a soldier is a soldier regardless of his intents. The very fact that he is in uniform already speaks volumes of his sacrifices.

[Icebrush79]

imho a soldier is a soldier regardless of his intents. The very fact that he is in uniform already speaks volumes of his sacrifices.

 

Sacrifices of what kind??

 

Every son of singapore go thru army, that is the sacrifices we make for the country. A regular chooses to sign on, that is a job at large, thus sacrifices??

[Hamburger]

regulars are working for a living just as the workers working on the rig during peace time.

 

unless there's a war going on, then its a different issue altogether.

[Sosaria]

IMHO, I think serving the military is not just any regular run-of-the-mill job. Certainly, some sacrifices are required, without question. This is a job where it's odd, for example, to complain about doing extra or working overtime (perhaps some do, but kind of strange when you look at the bigger picture about what the job ultimately concerns). Jobs in the police force and teaching service, etc. are also of the same nature. Such jobs require a certain 'calling' and conviction to serve properly. If a person considers these as "normal" jobs just to earn monthly wages, then it is really the wrong place for him or her.

[Cerano]

regulars are working for a living just as the workers working on the rig during peace time.

 

unless there's a war going on, then its a different issue altogether.

 

There's no clause saying that if there's a war anyone of them can pull out. All of their training is done in preparation of the eventuality of war.

 

For the hours they work (duty and otherwise) and the roughness of their work, they are definitely underpaid for the most part. It's far from an ordinary job.

[IDrago]

IMHO, I think serving the military is not just any regular run-of-the-mill job. Certainly, some sacrifices are required, without question. This is a job where it's odd, for example, to complain about doing extra or working overtime (perhaps some do, but kind of strange when you look at the bigger picture about what the job ultimately concerns). Jobs in the police force and teaching service, etc. are also of the same nature. Such jobs require a certain 'calling' and conviction to serve properly. If a person considers these as "normal" jobs just to earn monthly wages, then it is really the wrong place for him or her.

 

Unfortunately, this is true for majority of them (at least officers and below) ... Just observe during your ICT [dizzy]

 

[Cerano]

Sacrifices of what kind??

 

Every son of singapore go thru army, that is the sacrifices we make for the country. A regular chooses to sign on, that is a job at large, thus sacrifices??

 

For one the risks in the service of the nation are far beyond anything in the civilian life.

 

The experiences of this Navy regular are one to start one. We had have regulars who have been drowned (CDO 1SG), who died during IPPT (RSAF MAJ).

 

Also specifically to the Navy, anyone who has had family in the RSN or has been in the RSN will know how much time they spend away from family when out at sea.

 

That in itself is a sacrifice that few would give.

[Baphomet]

 

I din know that regulars in Singapore are that respected. What I hear from ppl about us was always frog in the well, brainless, etc wor.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Baphomet

[Hamburger]

Also specifically to the Navy, anyone who has had family in the RSN or has been in the RSN will know how much time they spend away from family when out at sea.

 

That in itself is a sacrifice that few would give.

i truly agree with you on that.

 

I know i cant.

[Cerano]

I din know that regulars in Singapore are that respected. What I hear from ppl about us was always frog in the well, brainless, etc wor.

 

People will always tend to think this way due to their negative experiences with NS and all but at the end of the day they realise that there is an absolute need for our country to stand ready and protected. There is simply no other way.

 

Look at Rome which depend on foreign auxiliaries. It fell to the Ostro and Vistro goths.

 

No one will clean your ass as clean as you do.

[Baphomet]

People will always tend to think this way due to their negative experiences with NS and all but at the end of the day they realise that there is an absolute need for our country to stand ready and protected. There is simply no other way.

 

Look at Rome which depend on foreign auxiliaries. It fell to the Ostro and Vistro goths.

 

No one will clean your ass as clean as you do.

 

 

good analogy

 

We can have alot of friends.. but in the end, its our land our fight.

 

 

Haiz...just because the regulars are paid .. ppl say they are just doing a job like any civilian.. nobody knows about the sacrifice they put in..

Edited December 18, 2012 by Baphomet

[Cerano]

good analogy

 

We can have alot of friends.. but in the end, its our land our fight.

 

 

Haiz...just because the regulars are paid .. ppl say they are just doing a job like any civilian.. nobody knows about the sacrifice they put in..

 

Just dont let the fact that there are alot of bad regulars who are morally flawed and there just to collect paycheck cloud your judgement.

 

The mere idea of them being there is deterring any hungry vultures in the region and that is whats giving us the freedom of doing whatever we want

[Galantspeedz]

Just dont let the fact that there are alot of bad regulars who are morally flawed and there just to collect paycheck cloud your judgement.

 

The mere idea of them being there is deterring any hungry vultures in the region and that is whats giving us the freedom of doing whatever we want

 

is not only the regulars that are deterring the hungry vultures.. is the whole army.. including NSFs and NS men

[Cerano]

is not only the regulars that are deterring the hungry vultures.. is the whole army.. including NSFs and NS men

 

Exactly. Thats why I believe the Army and SAF is intrinsically a good organisation. Just often mis-managed

[Maz0608]

Interesting, your post.

 

But first off, let's not get too clouded with sympathy to delude our minds to think compassion = respect. It is not.

 

My heart goes all the way to ME2 Jason, and his family, who will have to deal with the physical and emotional challenges posed by his hew found disabilities.

 

There're a few posts that hails Jason as a Hero?? Errr.... A hero sacrifices himself/herself for the sake/safety of others, I don't recall MINDEF has released the full details of this mishap.

But heroic antics?? I don't see any. Am I missing out something?

 

Let's not get emotional people. Having an accident for doing a job that you're paid to do doesn't automatically make you a hero when a catastrophe occours.

What are the qualities of a hero?

 

Valiant -> Uh uh.. don't see any.... till the full report is out.

 

We all perform duties to our employees, if he willingly gave his life as you mentioned, to the country, then yes, pls hang me!! he's a hero!! It's not clear enough at this point to ascertain if there was an heroic deeds indeed... So pls hold your "award" till further notice.

 

While we all hope all the best for him and his family, we need to understand that we need a discerning perspective to differentiate a hero and a victim. Else, why not hail all the other accident victims, whether in RTAs or other situations, as heros? - Just a food for thought.

 

You've shown us an inspirational video, we all thank you for it. But you have to realise, its a different story country to country. The soldiers in your clip, whether commercial or real, depict soldiers who fight REAL wars.. not stimulated ones...

 

Let's compare apples to apples shall we, afterall, they don't pay COE in countries where the soldiers in your clip comes from.

 

cheers

 

A very well written post though I guess it will not go down well with a lot of folks here...

 

No doubt he is a victim in this very unfortunate accident but hailing him as a hero is a bit too far..too much!

A hero in defintion is one who sacrifice himself so that others could live...

 

Think of the case of the foreman who sacrifice his life to ensure all his men were out of the collapsing structure in the Nicoll highway incident when he could choose not to.

That guy is a hero in my opinion!

[Icebrush79]

For one the risks in the service of the nation are far beyond anything in the civilian life.

 

The experiences of this Navy regular are one to start one. We had have regulars who have been drowned (CDO 1SG), who died during IPPT (RSAF MAJ).

 

Also specifically to the Navy, anyone who has had family in the RSN or has been in the RSN will know how much time they spend away from family when out at sea.

 

That in itself is a sacrifice that few would give.

 

I beg to differ.

 

Humans have choices. How would you accurately attribute their signing-on to being sacrificial? It may jolly well be a case that the army, navy or airforce pay them more than what they would have got outside due to their (possibly) lack of skills, education, abilities.

 

And you call that a sacrifice ?

 

I call it a fair exchange if you may....

 

eg Ah beng that works as a delivery driver vs Ah seng that joins RSN (having to spend eons away from their families as you've kindly pointed out)

both have the same qualifications (actually lack of it) and ah seng probably draws more pay....

 

So in this case, he sacrificed his family time for more wages (and i'm sure he's well aware of the risk he is facing... ) - Its a fair exchange.

 

My heart goes all out to all those servicemen who have faced death or disabilities due to work mishaps... we all can sympathise with them, but to respect them?? Ooh come on, let's not let our emotions rule our judgement.

 

Also, how many of these mishaps are real sacrifices and not caused my their own negligence? May well be a case of "ooh, I went to a thai bar last night, and I lack sleep, and so, I felt drowsy at work, and I miscalculated and snap, something happened, and I ended up in hospital".... just saying, but you got the drift....

 

If you know of a case of any folk doing well in public sector, then taking a pay cut to join the dangerous but scarifying job of protecting the nation.... Pls holler. I would love to interview this person.

Else, there is no such thing as being self-scarifying just because you don a SAF uniform.