Jam at jb customs at woodlands checkpoint

[Penknife]

Why people don't realize, the one and only reason the Jam is perpetual, is only because Singapore government purposely wants it to happen. It's a political and economic reason. Go figure out. Just think of, what if there is no jam and traveling from Singapore to Malaysia is a breeze like from yishun to woodland , what will happen to Singapore? Everyone will start spending their money there and see their disposable income tripled. What happens next?

Not sure what you're talking about. Just last night I came out from the Woodlands customs and it took me more than 1 hour to clear JB customs, and perhaps 15 mins to clear SG customs.

 

For SG coming back, at least I went through the lorry customs and also the magic zone 5. JB no such things.

[Evillusion]

A not very smart move don't u think? Total time travelled still same... sgp no jam.. go there jam..

 

When public train in service... will hv more ppl choosing to take train.. lowering usage..

 

Mai la... punggol jam enough as it is.. cannot imagine east siders entering Malaysia try punggol..

Where there is a will there is a way! Just dont allow heavy and good vehicles from using the causeway during peak period from 0500-0900 and  1700-2100. Only public bus should be allowed.  If this heavy vehicles insist on going through the border at those times ask them use Tuas instead.  

[Philipkee]

Why people don't realize, the one and only reason the Jam is perpetual, is only because Singapore government purposely wants it to happen. It's a political and economic reason. Go figure out. Just think of, what if there is no jam and traveling from Singapore to Malaysia is a breeze like from yishun to woodland , what will happen to Singapore? Everyone will start spending their money there and see their disposable income tripled. What happens next?

Disagree. Cos there is a bottleneck. Meaning so what if you clear customs fast? Ever notice during peak hours even if you have cleared customs you cannot leave the booth because there are cars in front?

 

There is a bottleneck all the way to the bridge. So yeah. I don't think it is a deliberate act by customs to slow down traffic. Of cos I refer to causeway and not tuas and Singapore side. No comments in malaysian side though.

 

By the way during off peak hours I do feel crossing customs is a breeze even at causeway side. I avoid peak periods though. I have to also state since I work shift I can go in during weekday timing so maybe it might not be opinion of everyone here who might be going in during weekends.

[DC1977]

Not sure what you're talking about. Just last night I came out from the Woodlands customs and it took me more than 1 hour to clear JB customs, and perhaps 15 mins to clear SG customs.

 

For SG coming back, at least I went through the lorry customs and also the magic zone 5. JB no such things.

very common during the weekends..chao chao 1+ hr....to n fro becomes 3h min..haiz...

 

not only SG customs...the Msia customs also chut pattern lo....all jam up n burn petrol...

[Ingenius]

Disagree. Cos there is a bottleneck. Meaning so what if you clear customs fast? Ever notice during peak hours even if you have cleared customs you cannot leave the booth because there are cars in front?

 

There is a bottleneck all the way to the bridge. So yeah. I don't think it is a deliberate act by customs to slow down traffic. Of cos I refer to causeway and not tuas and Singapore side. No comments in malaysian side though.

 

By the way during off peak hours I do feel crossing customs is a breeze even at causeway side. I avoid peak periods though. I have to also state since I work shift I can go in during weekday timing so maybe it might not be opinion of everyone here who might be going in during weekends.

Ask yourself, if you are the government, will you make crossing the custom to Malaysia a breeze? If your answer is yes, then what is the consequences? You, me and everyone else will not patronize the ntuc, petrol kiosk, restaurants, retail here anymore. What happens to the economy? In the short term everyone live like a king very happy. In the long term, businesses fail and economy collapse, people lose jobs. So is your answer to creating a smooth crossing to Malaysia still yes? Edited April 3, 2017 by Ingenius

[Thaiyotakamli]

i always go by Tuas i find it much more smooth compared to woodland

[Philipkee]

Ask yourself, if you are the government, will you make crossing the custom to Malaysia a breeze? If your answer is yes, then what is the consequences? You, me and everyone else will not patronize the ntuc, petrol kiosk, restaurants, retail here anymore. What happens to the economy? In the short term everyone live like a king very happy. In the long term, businesses fail and economy collapse, people lose jobs. So is your answer to creating a smooth crossing to Malaysia still yes?

Disagree. While I do note your points that a smooth traffic flow to jb might end up with people not spending in Singapore and hence dampening the economy, as yourself what can the Singapore govt logically do to make things smooth?

 

Open more counters? From what I see many counters are already open resulting in a bottle neck are causeway towards the bridge. More counters will worsen the bottleneck.

 

Speed up security checks? Well for people leaving Singapore I don't see much of checks other than petrol checks for 3/4 rule.

 

During off peak timings travel to jb either by tuas or causeway is reasonably OK. Short of opening a third link, which will require both countries to agree, I don't see what more can the Singapore govt do to speed up travel time from Singapore to jb.

 

Some will say stop trucks from going in during peak hours but it is precisely because we need the goods to sustain the economy that's why trucks are going back and forth. Opening the bus Lane for cars to speed through might seem faster except that we have a lot of buses going back and forth between Malaysia and Singapore and not obstructing them actually makes transportation and travel easier, just not from driver point of view but absolute number of travellers.

 

So bottom line. I agree with you. It is not in the interest of Singapore govt to make travel to jb easy. BUT realistically there is no way to make it more efficient.

 

Of course there is room to make the clearing of checkpoint at tuas faster as there is no bottleneck. But it is not exactly slow over there and during peak hours even if you get through the customs fast you still get stuck at the JB side.

 

And in case you forget the causeway and the second link are not merely bridges over water linking two land masses but the border between to sovereign countries and hence travel that is not smooth is actually expected unless there is no border control. Like kedah to penang the bridge is crowded but traffic is smooth but there are no border checks.

 

Peace.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Philipkee

[DC1977]

i always go by Tuas i find it much more smooth compared to woodland

u try weekends bo? the jam like sardine lo...only thing is the roads r wider but more cars will flood in n cut lanes esp on Msia customs side....can be stuck in jam for 1++ hr easily lo..coming bk also power lo...jam starts immed after the toll....

 

oh well we have to live wif it if we wan to visit Msia...but really pity those who transit in n out for work or school every single day....

[Jman888]

i always go by Tuas i find it much more smooth compared to woodland

last Thursday I went in, instead of the usual leaving at 7am, I left around 8am+ to avoid the morning rush, clear both custom within 1 min each, practically they wait for me to come

[yokechye]

During peak hours, half of the car lanes are converted to clear motorcycles. As a result car clearance counter are significantly reduced causing some choking point. Sometimes the lorry lane counters are opened to private cars but there's only that few numbers. 8 or 10 counters if I remember correctly.

The expansion is welcomed. But if Malaysia side can't clear the cars as fast and many as SG counters, there's no use cos end up after you clear SG, JB side jam up. It goes both ways i feel

[Axela72]

During peak hours, half of the car lanes are converted to clear motorcycles. As a result car clearance counter are significantly reduced causing some choking point. Sometimes the lorry lane counters are opened to private cars but there's only that few numbers. 8 or 10 counters if I remember correctly.

The expansion is welcomed. But if Malaysia side can't clear the cars as fast and many as SG counters, there's no use cos end up after you clear SG, JB side jam up. It goes both ways i feel

Not all ppls are so greedy. At least 1 sides jam is still better than 2

[DC1977]

Not all ppls are so greedy. At least 1 sides jam is still better than 2

anything faster than being stuck in a jam is a bonus lo...lets be thankful lo.....

 

anw cant really predict unless go in during ungodly hours...but then all shops will be closed left the night shops...keke

[Karoon]

Why people don't realize, the one and only reason the Jam is perpetual, is only because Singapore government purposely wants it to happen. It's a political and economic reason. Go figure out. Just think of, what if there is no jam and traveling from Singapore to Malaysia is a breeze like from yishun to woodland , what will happen to Singapore? Everyone will start spending their money there and see their disposable income tripled. What happens next?

Even punish those coming home.

Eg Tuas side sometimes one section totally closed even when cars stretch back to the bridge summit.

 

So sinkees are encouraged to stay home. Pls spend here. Take family of 5 to zoo. That'll be $100 thanks.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Karoon

[Matrix0405]

Even punish those coming home.

Eg Tuas side sometimes one section totally closed even when cars stretch back to the bridge summit.

 

So sinkees are encouraged to stay home. Pls spend here. Take family of 5 to zoo. That'll be $100 thanks.

 

 

Quite true, they are regulating the traffic to make it slower. So the new expansion is really puzzling; Open another 20 counters, but same 10 lanes manned; all 50 counters merge into one lane for home coming check will be the winner.

[Kusje]

Even punish those coming home.

Eg Tuas side sometimes one section totally closed even when cars stretch back to the bridge summit.

 

So sinkees are encouraged to stay home. Pls spend here. Take family of 5 to zoo. That'll be $100 thanks.

 

FYI to all.

 

Lots of civil servants have free zoo/bird park tickets.

[Beng2]

Why people don't realize, the one and only reason the Jam is perpetual, is only because Singapore government purposely wants it to happen. It's a political and economic reason. Go figure out. Just think of, what if there is no jam and traveling from Singapore to Malaysia is a breeze like from yishun to woodland , what will happen to Singapore? Everyone will start spending their money there and see their disposable income tripled. What happens next?

I have encountered a situation at Woodlands Singapore side check point where the ICA officer actually came out of their booths to collect passports from queuing cars. Reason: the jam stretched all the way from JB side. So, who created this backlog? 

 

Also, would you rather have a lax immigration procedure where all the overstayers can easily sneak out of Singapore?

 

I find this kind of unsubstantiated remark useless and only serves to stir sh|t. 

[Kusje]

I have encountered a situation at Woodlands Singapore side check point where the ICA officer actually came out of their booths to collect passports from queuing cars. Reason: the jam stretched all the way from JB side. So, who created this backlog? 

 

Also, would you rather have a lax immigration procedure where all the overstayers can easily sneak out of Singapore?

 

I find this kind of unsubstantiated remark useless and only serves to stir sh|t. 

 

How is it unsubstantiated?

 

He already substantiated it so it is whether or not you think his opinion is valid. I personally think it is - his logic is the same as the 3/4 rule but just a different way of enforcing.

[SuPerBoRed]

I have encountered a situation at Woodlands Singapore side check point where the ICA officer actually came out of their booths to collect passports from queuing cars. Reason: the jam stretched all the way from JB side. So, who created this backlog? 

 

Also, would you rather have a lax immigration procedure where all the overstayers can easily sneak out of Singapore?

 

I find this kind of unsubstantiated remark useless and only serves to stir sh|t. 

 

so explain the 3/4 tank rule in your words...  the purpose?