CNA: Trials under way for next generation ERP system

[Galantspeedz]

  On 10/9/2012 at 9:47 AM, Darryn said:

So?

 

Wasn't COE and ERP supposed separate systems? One stopping when the other started?

 

nope... ERP increase, ARF reduce... road tax also reduce

 

usage based instead of flat tax based....

 

COE is not considered a tax

Edited October 29, 2012 by Galantspeedz

[Hi_torq]

  On 10/9/2012 at 9:31 AM, Dragonfly1 said:

The concept of distance based charging is fraud. The gov is already taxing us on the petrol consumption already, the more you drive, the more petrol you consumed. Isnt that distance based charging ?...

 

Just another way to milk you more!!!!!!!!

 

 

You are right. Why spend so much on testing high cost equipment. No need of satellite, tax on the fuel is distance based ERP. More you drive, more you pay.

 

Note only distance, but also quality based. Guzzlers pay more.

 

Quality + Quantity. []

[Sky61]

nobody look at the more pertinent issue of privacy? imagine gps tracking can tell where u (at least ur car) at given times. so eventually we will turn into a futuristic world where everyone drives within speed limit (since gps can track if u are speeding/beat red light), solve crimes (hit and run, evidence in court). wives will go down to LTA to get details if husband goes to geylang behind her back etc, Boss can tell if sales persons are twanging since can locate ur car at any point in time. All behave like lab rats in the rat race, following what the higher up says...what a predictable world...

[Hi_torq]

  On 10/29/2012 at 9:17 AM, Sky61 said:

nobody look at the more pertinent issue of privacy? imagine gps tracking can tell where u (at least ur car) at given times. so eventually we will turn into a futuristic world where everyone drives within speed limit (since gps can track if u are speeding/beat red light), solve crimes (hit and run, evidence in court). [b]wives will go down to LTA to get details if husband goes to geylang behind her back etc[/b], Boss can tell if sales persons are twanging since can locate ur car at any point in time. All behave like lab rats in the rat race, following what the higher up says...what a predictable world...

 

They will be more interested in this and will definitely vote for the goverment.

[Galantspeedz]

  On 10/29/2012 at 9:17 AM, Sky61 said:

nobody look at the more pertinent issue of privacy? imagine gps tracking can tell where u (at least ur car) at given times. so eventually we will turn into a futuristic world where everyone drives within speed limit (since gps can track if u are speeding/beat red light), solve crimes (hit and run, evidence in court). wives will go down to LTA to get details if husband goes to geylang behind her back etc, Boss can tell if sales persons are twanging since can locate ur car at any point in time. All behave like lab rats in the rat race, following what the higher up says...what a predictable world...

 

i agree with you on this.. however i think the IU already somewhat allow tracking liao and with video cam now so common... i think we have no privacy liao

[Sky61]

  On 10/29/2012 at 9:23 AM, Galantspeedz said:

i agree with you on this.. however i think the IU already somewhat allow tracking liao and with video cam now so common... i think we have no privacy liao

 

IU don't tell the speed, GPS can, so there will be a surge in speeding tixs once this is implemented, then after a while, no more (or very few) speeding tixs caz all are conditioned to it liao....then the robotic driving will begin....for fun, next time must go to NS highway liao

Edited October 29, 2012 by Sky61

[Darthrevan]

why did no one state the advantages? lesser traffic offences..lesser illegal parking..possibly lesser road tax (maybe lower COE) and smoother traffic flow and possibly lower rate of accidents? and it encourages most drivers to plan their route to optimize their trip and to save fuel during commuting

[Galantspeedz]

  On 10/29/2012 at 9:46 AM, Sky61 said:

IU don't tell the speed, GPS can, so there will be a surge in speeding tixs once this is implemented, then after a while, no more (or very few) speeding tixs caz all are conditioned to it liao....then the robotic driving will begin....for fun, next time must go to NS highway liao

 

I tot it has been discussed that one of the option they looking at is time taken from point A to point B, if you had a much faster time then given then you be fined for speeding

 

anyway the speeding in SG not as fast or frequent in NSH, much as I hate this technology, it does reduce speeding or increase hogging depending how 1 look at it

[Hjmsia]

  On 10/29/2012 at 9:58 AM, Darthrevan said:

why did no one state the advantages? lesser traffic offences..lesser illegal parking..possibly lesser road tax (maybe lower COE) and smoother traffic flow and possibly lower rate of accidents? and it encourages most drivers to plan their route to optimize their trip and to save fuel during commuting

 

Lesser Road Tax? By how much?

 

MAYBE lower COE?

Definitely not something I would put money on happening even with new ERP technologies.

 

I also don't see how it will ensure smoother traffic flow or lower rate of accidents. Speeding is a common factor for accidents, but more often than not it is because of slow-moving hoggers that induce people to tailgate and subsequently cause accidents.

 

Saving fuel is hardly on their agenda. Not everyone gives a damn about fuel consumption when it comes to driving.

[Jtb]

  On 10/9/2012 at 5:25 AM, Darthrevan said:

Trials which could yield the next generation of the Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) system are under way along Woodlands Avenue 12.

 

Last year, four consortia - Kapsch TrafficCom, MHI Engine System Asia and NCS, ST Electronics (Info-Comm Systems) and IBM Singapore, and Watchdata Technologies and Beijing Watchdata System - had won the tender to develop technologies to replace the current gantry system in a timeframe of 18 months.

 

The four consortia had also been allocated a seed fund of S$1 million each for the project and might include a satellite-tracking system.

 

In response to queries, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said that the System Evaluation Test (SET) had begun in May and "is a technological trial to help identify a technological solution most suited for Singapore".

 

"Woodlands Avenue 12 is a suitable site to conduct on-road testing as it is a relatively straight road with high traffic volumes and a good mix of different vehicle types," said the LTA spokesperson.

 

A visit to the site showed that four black-coloured cantilevers, which are about the height of lamp posts, have been erected along the road about 100m apart. A variety of surveillance cameras, reflectors and sensors were mounted on the vertical portions of the structures overhanging the road.

 

The LTA said that the tests, which are expected to be completed "around the end of the year", will not cause disruption to other motorists.

 

"At the end of the SET, LTA will assess the performance of the various solutions to determine whether an appropriate technological solution is available and can form the basis of a next generation ERP system," said the spokesperson.

 

However, he added that as the project is in "very early stages", "the next generation ERP systems, if technically feasible, is still some years away."

 

In Parliament earlier this year, Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo had said that it was too early to speculate when the next generation ERP system, or ERP 2, will be introduced, but added that the LTA would have to make sure that it can be reliably used for road pricing.

 

Source: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/sin...1230268/1/.html

 

If you are calculative, then this method of charging will deter you from driving. Driving down to the car wash area at the MSCP will be charged too. Why? Once the GPS is connected, you will be charged. Anyway a good technology, pay as you drive. Just like pay as you roam.

[Fazer]

The Public transport i.e. the MRT and buses got so much problem and defects that need to be rectified and its well known to the people but yet our leaders rather spent big $ on developing new technologies for this ERP instead of upgrading or rectifiy the defects....wat a Pay and Pay country man...

[TatteredTorn]

I hate to say this but I find many Singaporeans very childish and simple-minded when it comes to certain political decisions.

 

It is a fact that Singapore has very limited land. We do not have the luxury of other bigger countries whereby as long as the government throws in money, they can build lots and lots of new roads, carparks, etc. It is also very hard for us to have an extensive network of expressways and tunnels due to the fact that our country is congested with high rise buildings everywhere! Besides, tunnels and expressways are very costly to build.

 

Although increasing cost of car ownership makes everyone unhappy, you have to agree that it is one effective and easy way to deter people from buying personal cars. Who doesn't want to own a personal car? The convenience that it brings along with it is fantastic. But if the government makes car ownership affordable to everyone, then our roads will be super congested like some major cities in the world. And when that happens, everyone will be blaming the government for not having an effective policy to control traffic.

 

Singaporeans are well known for only knowing how to complain. Criticising someone's work or an existing policy is easy, but proposing a better idea that's practical and implementable is hard. To put it bluntly, talk is cheap. If the results of the next GE is affected by this issue, then I say it's a wrong move. No one or party should be given the power for creative criticism. I only believe in creative, practical and implementable solutions.

Edited October 30, 2012 by TatteredTorn

[Kubbit]

You do know that once this system is implentmented, it will drive a lot of living costs up. As whatever addition transportation cost will be transfer to the end user which of course is us....

[Gaolow]

For those OPC..will there be a good news or bad news?

Good news..maybe hourly base E day pass?

 

[Vooth]

  On 10/30/2012 at 4:05 AM, TatteredTorn said:

I hate to say this but I find many Singaporeans very childish and simple-minded when it comes to certain political decisions.

 

It is a fact that Singapore has very limited land. We do not have the luxury of other bigger countries whereby as long as the government throws in money, they can build lots and lots of new roads, carparks, etc. It is also very hard for us to have an extensive network of expressways and tunnels due to the fact that our country is congested with high rise buildings everywhere! Besides, tunnels and expressways are very costly to build.

 

Although increasing cost of car ownership makes everyone unhappy, you have to agree that it is one effective and easy way to deter people from buying personal cars. Who doesn't want to own a personal car? The convenience that it brings along with it is fantastic. But if the government makes car ownership affordable to everyone, then our roads will be super congested like some major cities in the world. And when that happens, everyone will be blaming the government for not having an effective policy to control traffic.

 

Singaporeans are well known for only knowing how to complain. Criticising someone's work or an existing policy is easy, but proposing a better idea that's practical and implementable is hard. To put it bluntly, talk is cheap. If the results of the next GE is affected by this issue, then I say it's a wrong move. No one or party should be given the power for creative criticism. I only believe in creative, practical and implementable solutions.

 

I believe in protecting what's left of my privacy. Between ERP gantries and the new proposed satellite-based tracking system, I will choose the lesser of two evils.

[Ichibawa]

Looks like those already used in China

[HP_Lee]

  On 10/9/2012 at 5:25 AM, Darthrevan said:

Trials which could yield the next generation of the Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) system are under way along Woodlands Avenue 12.

 

Last year, four consortia - Kapsch TrafficCom, MHI Engine System Asia and NCS, ST Electronics (Info-Comm Systems) and IBM Singapore, and Watchdata Technologies and Beijing Watchdata System - had won the tender to develop technologies to replace the current gantry system in a timeframe of 18 months.

 

The four consortia had also been allocated a seed fund of S$1 million each for the project and might include a satellite-tracking system.

 

In response to queries, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said that the System Evaluation Test (SET) had begun in May and "is a technological trial to help identify a technological solution most suited for Singapore".

 

"Woodlands Avenue 12 is a suitable site to conduct on-road testing as it is a relatively straight road with high traffic volumes and a good mix of different vehicle types," said the LTA spokesperson.

 

A visit to the site showed that four black-coloured cantilevers, which are about the height of lamp posts, have been erected along the road about 100m apart. A variety of surveillance cameras, reflectors and sensors were mounted on the vertical portions of the structures overhanging the road.

 

The LTA said that the tests, which are expected to be completed "around the end of the year", will not cause disruption to other motorists.

 

"At the end of the SET, LTA will assess the performance of the various solutions to determine whether an appropriate technological solution is available and can form the basis of a next generation ERP system," said the spokesperson.

 

However, he added that as the project is in "very early stages", "the next generation ERP systems, if technically feasible, is still some years away."

 

In Parliament earlier this year, Minister of State for Transport Josephine Teo had said that it was too early to speculate when the next generation ERP system, or ERP 2, will be introduced, but added that the LTA would have to make sure that it can be reliably used for road pricing.

 

Source: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/sin...1230268/1/.html

 

 

Great piece of news. This will help further improvements to traffics. Have tried a day of taking bus to work. To my surprised, I was earlier to work by 15 minutes than driving my car. Hopefully, LTA could speed up this new satellite systems to track cars.

[HP_Lee]

  On 10/30/2012 at 4:32 AM, Gaolow said:

For those OPC..will there be a good news or bad news?

Good news..maybe hourly base E day pass?

 

May end up paying more? Not forgetting off-peak driving also subjected to road usage on public roads. They may not change E day pass, since is still an OPC. The main idea, is to reduce number of car population to improve road traffic conditions, which all of us complaining of jams.

Edited October 30, 2012 by HP_Lee