CNA: US Selling Eight Apache Helicopters to Indonesia

[Tireburner]

How many Apache does SAF have?

 

Indonesia and Malaysia have dispute over some islands between Sabah n NE Kalimantan. These weapon purchases would undoubtedly strengthen the Indonesian capability.

[Watwheels]

Sell hardware is one thing, dan there are the software options which comes at a premium. Just like buying new car, they make you pay for the options. Sometimes they chao kwuan dun even give options to sell. So dun think that every Apache is the same. The exterior might be the same, it may not have all the features.

[Chevycavy]

All US carrier r nuclear powered, the north will still complain even when we park it within our water

 

Go to Google Maps, zoom in to Changi Bay in satelite view and see what's parked there.

 

Photos probably not realtime but at least it shows what was parked there recently.

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Go to Google Maps, zoom in to Changi Bay in satelite view and see what's parked there.

 

Photos probably not realtime but at least it shows what was parked there recently.

 

like this one..

 

https://maps.google.com.sg/maps?hl=en&q...ved=0CB0Q8gEwAA

[Wasted]

Actually selling them this one lah:

 

 

 

Source: http://siam-trading.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=84

 

Batteries not included hor... [laugh]

 

 

 

Seller is US, builder is China!!! Conflict of interest?

[Cantina]

Wow...power!

 

First Indon getting Leopard Tanks from Germany..

Now Getting Apaches from US..

 

Looks like SAF's edge is gone...

[I-LOVE-CARS]

An earlier story on them getting FOC COE F16C/Ds:

 

From Reuters:

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/25/...E8JOGMO20120825

 

US moves to arm Indonesia's growing F-16 fighter fleet

Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:40pm EDT

 

* Jakarta seeks air-to-surface missiles in deal worth $25 million

 

* US is giving Indonesia 24 surplus F-16s

 

* Arms deal is part of U.S. bid to shape security in Asia-Pacific

 

By Jim Wolf

 

WASHINGTON, Aug 24 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's administration has proposed to sell air-to-surface guided missiles and related gear to equip Indonesia's growing fleet of U.S.-built F-16 fighter aircraft.

 

The sale, valued at $25 million, would be the latest U.S. move to boost security ties with friends and allies in a region stirred by China's growing military clout and territorial assertiveness.

 

Indonesia has requested 18 AGM-65K2 "Maverick All-Up-Round" missiles, 36 "captive air training missiles" and three maintenance training missiles, plus spares, test equipment and personnel training, the administration told the U.S. Congress in a notice dated Wednesday.

 

The AGM-65 Maverick, built by Raytheon Co, is designed to attack a wide range of tactical targets, including armor, air defenses, ships, ground transportation and fuel storage facilities.

 

"The Indonesian Air Force needs these missiles to train its F-16 pilots in basic air-to-ground weapons employment," the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in the notice to lawmakers.

 

The arms sale would contribute to making Indonesia "a more valuable regional partner in an important area of the world," the security agency added.

 

Such notices of a proposed sale are required by law and do not mean the sale has been concluded.

 

GIVING F-16s

 

The United States is giving, not selling, Jakarta two dozen second-hand F-16C/D fighter planes to strengthen bilateral ties and foster what the Pentagon has called a "much-needed" capability to protect Indonesian air space.

 

Obama and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono of Indonesia announced the F-16 transfer near the end of a nine-day Asia-Pacific tour that Obama used in November to re-emphasize U.S. interests in the region.

 

The F-16s are decommissioned and no longer part of the U.S. Air Force inventory. Once retooled and upgraded, they will boost Indonesia's "interoperability" with the United States, the Defense Department said at the time.

 

Interoperability is the extent to which military forces can work with each other to achieve a common goal. The refurbished aircraft add to Indonesia's existing fleet of 10 earlier-model F-16s.

 

The quantities of missiles being sought by Indonesia would support both the existing fleet and the 24 being provided as U.S. surplus, the notice to Congress said.

 

Jakarta is paying up to $750 million to upgrade the second-hand Lockheed Martin Corp fighters and overhaul their United Technologies Corp's Pratt & Whitney-built engines.

 

Indonesia, the largest country in Southeast Asia and the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation, is only one part of the growing U.S. emphasis on the Asia-Pacific region for national-security planning.

 

The United States also is building Guam as a strategic hub, deploying up to four shore-hugging littoral combat ships on a rotational basis to Singapore and preparing what is to be a 2,500-strong Marine Corps task force rotation as part of a tightening military partnership with Australia.

 

The F16C/D that US will be giving to the Indonesian Air Force are Block 25, which IAF will spent 750million to upgrade to Block 32+, our F-16s are either Block 52/Block 52+, the difference

 

<Block 30/32+>

Major differences include the carriage of the AGM-45 Shrike, AGM-88 HARM, and the AIM-120 missiles. From Block 30D, aircraft were fitted with larger engine air intakes (called a Modular Common Inlet Duct) for the increased-thrust GE engine. Since the Block 32 retained the Pratt and Whitney F-100 engine, the smaller (normal shock inlet) was retained for those aircraft. A total of 733 aircraft were produced and delivered to six countries. The Block 32H/J aircraft assigned to the USAF Thunderbird flight demonstration squadron were built in 1986 and 1987 and are some of the oldest operational F-16s in the Air Force. The Air National Guard procured many upgrades for their fleet of aging block 30/32s including the addition of improved inertial guidance systems, improved electronic warfare suite (AN/ALQ-213), and upgrades to carry the Northrop Grumman LITENING targeting pod. The standard Inertial Navigation Unit (INU) was first changed to a ring laser gyro, and later upgraded again to an Embedded GPS/INS (EGI) system which combines a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver with an Inertial Navigation System (INS). The EGI provided the capability to use Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) and other GPS-aided munitions (see Block 50 list below). This capability, in combination with the LITENING targeting pod, greatly enhanced the capabilities of this aircraft. The sum of these modifications to the baseline Block 30 is commonly known as the F-16C++ (pronounced "plus plus") version.

 

<Block 50/52+>

This variant, which is also known as the Block 50/52+. Its main differences are the addition of support for conformal fuel tanks (CFTs), a dorsal spine compartment, the APG-68(V9) radar, an On-Board Oxygen Generation (OBOGS) system and a JHMCS helmet.[5]

The CFTs are mounted above the wing, on both sides of the fuselage and are easily removable. They provide an additional 440 US gallon or approximately 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) of additional fuel, allowing increased range or time on station and frees up hardpoints for weapons instead of underwing fuel tanks.[6] All two-seat "Plus" aircraft have the enlarged avionics dorsal spine compartment which is located behind the cockpit and extends to the tail. It adds 30 cu ft (850 L) to the airframe for more avionics with only small increases in weight and drag

 

Major difference bro and looks like the ones the US are giving to the IAF are 1980s era F-16C Block 25 while RSAF's F-16 are either delivered after 2006 or upgraded to the 2006 standards

Edited September 21, 2012 by I-LOVE-CARS

[Rezorn86]

Actually selling them this one lah:

 

 

 

Source: http://siam-trading.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=84

 

Batteries not included hor... [laugh]

 

if they sell separately, it is good for them. so they can earn more n lower their debt.

[Happily1986]

How times have changed...

 

Still remember their ordered F16s were denied to them years back because of human right issues or some accusations being levelled at the govt then.

 

Just curious the choppers are sold brand new or COE Longbows.

 

From CNA:

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp...1227194/1/.html

 

US selling eight Apache helicopters to Indonesia

Posted: 21 September 2012 0442 hrs

 

WASHINGTON: The United States is to sell eight Apache helicopters to Indonesia in a sign of strengthening ties aimed at boosting regional security, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Thursday.

 

After talks with Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, Clinton said the US administration had "informed Congress of the potential sale of eight AH-64D Apache Longbow helicopters to the Indonesian government."

 

"This agreement will strengthen our comprehensive partnership and help enhance security across the region," she told reporters, after they met for their third US-Indonesia joint commission.

 

The administration of President Barack Obama is making a key policy pivot to boost ties in the Asia-Pacific region, as it seeks to try to fend off China's influence, and Clinton visited Jakarta earlier this month.

 

The top US diplomat did not give a figure for how much the sale of the Boeing-made Apaches to the Indonesian military was worth, but the Jakarta Post has reported that the deal has been in the works for some time.

 

Hailing their growing ties, Clinton said trade between the two nations topped $26 billion last year, while "investments in transportation, energy, and infrastructure are creating jobs and supporting economic growth."

 

The United States was also spending some $600 million over the next five years to fund "clean energy development, child health and nutrition programmes, and efforts to help make Indonesia's government more transparent and open," Clinton said.

 

Indonesia and the United States had built a "strong foundation," she said, and alluding to tensions in the South China Seas added: "One of our most important concerns is promoting peace and stability in the Asia Pacific."

 

Jakarta and Washington had a "comprehensive partnership," Natalegawa agreed, adding he wanted "to reinforce and recall and reaffirm the fact that the importance of Indonesia-US relations extends beyond the bilateral.

 

"Our two countries now have worked very closely in a very productive and very mutually beneficial way, not only bilaterally, but increasingly within the regional setting as well."

 

- AFP/de

 

The Long Bow radar is the star of the deal. hmmm, usually Indonesia source most of its armament from Russia.