Vulcann 6th Gear September 20, 2012 Share September 20, 2012 How times have changed... Still remember their ordered F16s were denied to them years back because of human right issues or some accusations being levelled at the govt then. Just curious the choppers are sold brand new or COE Longbows. From CNA: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp...1227194/1/.html US selling eight Apache helicopters to Indonesia Posted: 21 September 2012 0442 hrs WASHINGTON: The United States is to sell eight Apache helicopters to Indonesia in a sign of strengthening ties aimed at boosting regional security, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Thursday. After talks with Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, Clinton said the US administration had "informed Congress of the potential sale of eight AH-64D Apache Longbow helicopters to the Indonesian government." "This agreement will strengthen our comprehensive partnership and help enhance security across the region," she told reporters, after they met for their third US-Indonesia joint commission. The administration of President Barack Obama is making a key policy pivot to boost ties in the Asia-Pacific region, as it seeks to try to fend off China's influence, and Clinton visited Jakarta earlier this month. The top US diplomat did not give a figure for how much the sale of the Boeing-made Apaches to the Indonesian military was worth, but the Jakarta Post has reported that the deal has been in the works for some time. Hailing their growing ties, Clinton said trade between the two nations topped $26 billion last year, while "investments in transportation, energy, and infrastructure are creating jobs and supporting economic growth." The United States was also spending some $600 million over the next five years to fund "clean energy development, child health and nutrition programmes, and efforts to help make Indonesia's government more transparent and open," Clinton said. Indonesia and the United States had built a "strong foundation," she said, and alluding to tensions in the South China Seas added: "One of our most important concerns is promoting peace and stability in the Asia Pacific." Jakarta and Washington had a "comprehensive partnership," Natalegawa agreed, adding he wanted "to reinforce and recall and reaffirm the fact that the importance of Indonesia-US relations extends beyond the bilateral. "Our two countries now have worked very closely in a very productive and very mutually beneficial way, not only bilaterally, but increasingly within the regional setting as well." - AFP/de ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear September 20, 2012 Author Share September 20, 2012 An earlier story on them getting FOC COE F16C/Ds: From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/25/...E8JOGMO20120825 US moves to arm Indonesia's growing F-16 fighter fleet Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:40pm EDT * Jakarta seeks air-to-surface missiles in deal worth $25 million * US is giving Indonesia 24 surplus F-16s * Arms deal is part of U.S. bid to shape security in Asia-Pacific By Jim Wolf WASHINGTON, Aug 24 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's administration has proposed to sell air-to-surface guided missiles and related gear to equip Indonesia's growing fleet of U.S.-built F-16 fighter aircraft. The sale, valued at $25 million, would be the latest U.S. move to boost security ties with friends and allies in a region stirred by China's growing military clout and territorial assertiveness. Indonesia has requested 18 AGM-65K2 "Maverick All-Up-Round" missiles, 36 "captive air training missiles" and three maintenance training missiles, plus spares, test equipment and personnel training, the administration told the U.S. Congress in a notice dated Wednesday. The AGM-65 Maverick, built by Raytheon Co, is designed to attack a wide range of tactical targets, including armor, air defenses, ships, ground transportation and fuel storage facilities. "The Indonesian Air Force needs these missiles to train its F-16 pilots in basic air-to-ground weapons employment," the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in the notice to lawmakers. The arms sale would contribute to making Indonesia "a more valuable regional partner in an important area of the world," the security agency added. Such notices of a proposed sale are required by law and do not mean the sale has been concluded. GIVING F-16s The United States is giving, not selling, Jakarta two dozen second-hand F-16C/D fighter planes to strengthen bilateral ties and foster what the Pentagon has called a "much-needed" capability to protect Indonesian air space. Obama and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono of Indonesia announced the F-16 transfer near the end of a nine-day Asia-Pacific tour that Obama used in November to re-emphasize U.S. interests in the region. The F-16s are decommissioned and no longer part of the U.S. Air Force inventory. Once retooled and upgraded, they will boost Indonesia's "interoperability" with the United States, the Defense Department said at the time. Interoperability is the extent to which military forces can work with each other to achieve a common goal. The refurbished aircraft add to Indonesia's existing fleet of 10 earlier-model F-16s. The quantities of missiles being sought by Indonesia would support both the existing fleet and the 24 being provided as U.S. surplus, the notice to Congress said. Jakarta is paying up to $750 million to upgrade the second-hand Lockheed Martin Corp fighters and overhaul their United Technologies Corp's Pratt & Whitney-built engines. Indonesia, the largest country in Southeast Asia and the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation, is only one part of the growing U.S. emphasis on the Asia-Pacific region for national-security planning. The United States also is building Guam as a strategic hub, deploying up to four shore-hugging littoral combat ships on a rotational basis to Singapore and preparing what is to be a 2,500-strong Marine Corps task force rotation as part of a tightening military partnership with Australia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasted 1st Gear September 20, 2012 Share September 20, 2012 with or without engines? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayspiderx 3rd Gear September 20, 2012 Share September 20, 2012 NOw tat US not fighting any war, all their war machines are left to rust...so best to sell to allies to help with county's debt instead May be mindef can check if got leh long sale for M1 tanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Clutched September 20, 2012 Share September 20, 2012 soon very ASEAN country buy apache? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trex101 3rd Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 M1 tank is rubbish, gas drinker using gas turbine engine. The current Leopard 2A4 is probably better than M1A1 in terms of range, armor and sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxus-MIFA9 Supersonic September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 NOw tat US not fighting any war, all their war machines are left to rust...so best to sell to allies to help with county's debt instead May be mindef can check if got leh long sale for M1 tanks why buy tanks, sg so small .. buy one or two aircraft carriers .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjkbeluga 5th Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 why buy tanks, sg so small .. buy one or two aircraft carriers .... If buy then taxpayer will complainvwaste of taxmonies... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichibawa 5th Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 8 only? Sounds like Indo is forced to buy them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear September 21, 2012 Author Share September 21, 2012 with or without engines? Actually selling them this one lah: Source: http://siam-trading.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=84 Batteries not included hor... [laugh] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mllcg 3rd Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 why buy tanks, sg so small .. buy one or two aircraft carriers .... one enough la. 2 is overkill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayspiderx 3rd Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 If buy then taxpayer will complainvwaste of taxmonies... no leh...i dun recall any complain abt the F15, apache, leopards and sub leh...pple prefer to see wat their money has been spent on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChong Clutched September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 sell them amx13 better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rncw 5th Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 republicans would probably never sell any to them.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxus-MIFA9 Supersonic September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 If buy then taxpayer will complainvwaste of taxmonies... we always kana complaint by 'north' thats our aircraft enter into their air space.... so with the aircraft carriers, we can stationed them in the international water off South China Sea. Our pilots can fly & train until they , no more complaint... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Twincharged September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 With the indon's standard of maintenance, selling them advanced weapon systems is just for "status symbol". No worries. Acquiring the weapon system is just one aspect; still need to maintain, modify / upgrade, operate, etc. Everything need to be tip-top in order to get maximum benefit. Else the aircraft will just be "hangar queen". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayspiderx 3rd Gear September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 we always kana complaint by 'north' thats our aircraft enter into their air space.... so with the aircraft carriers, we can stationed them in the international water off South China Sea. Our pilots can fly & train until they , no more complaint... All US carrier r nuclear powered, the north will still complain even when we park it within our water Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic September 21, 2012 Share September 21, 2012 (edited) The AH-64 is old tech liao. They are using the Comanche Stealth Helicopter and dunno maybe developing new type of helicopter in secret. Selling old tech to so called allies is to fund new prototypes of war machines....to fight war on terror, taliban, monkeys, themselves and what not. Edited September 21, 2012 by Watwheels ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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