Ultra High Performance vs High Performance

[inlinesix]

Wah, can argue until cow come home. Anyway just to highlight there is still another level above Michelin PSS which is the Cup Sport.

 

Anyway i believe for any brand (especially the major brands), there is more than one UHP. UHP is not reserved for only their top tier tyre. In other words, among the UHPs there is higher UHPs as well. Example is michelin, from PS3 is already consider UHP, just that PSS and PSC is even "higher" or soem may say have different characteristics (for eg, some say PS3 is *slightly* better than PSS in the wet whereas PSS is sginificantly better in the dry hence overall PSS still better cos the gain in dry is more than the loss in wet). So i guess it comes down to application - what the driver is using and looking for.

Cup sport is semi-slick which is not supposed to be street use hor.

 

Both PS3 & PSS are UHP. The only diff is diff compound technically.

[Help1]

The diff is how deep is ur pocket n ur willingness to pay for the difference and experience

[Roberttan]

uhp not track tyres lah.

re050 re001 is uhp , but they r not grip above all, they do well in wet n dry & hv nice mileage. 40k km no problem.

 

the highest range for street legal tyres r extreme performace tyres

re11

ad08

z1 star

ku 36

rs3

federal rsr

correct me if i am wrong

all above are road legal, but these tyres are NOT as good as (wet weather)other UHP tyre like ps3 / re001 / 002/ pirelli P zero / etc.

my understanding tyre like re11 / ad08 is made for road and track use (thus road legal)

[Elmo]

correct me if i am wrong

all above are road legal, but these tyres are NOT as good as (wet weather)other UHP tyre like ps3 / re001 / 002/ pirelli P zero / etc.

my understanding tyre like re11 / ad08 is made for road and track use (thus road legal)

 

I agree with you.

I was on PS3 then to KU36. Wet grip is definitely better with PS3.

Dry grip is same on street but on track it is a world of difference. KU36 also wear off quite fast since only 180 wear-rate. But if driven on street think KU36 still can last.

Now on ASY2. Feel it is even better than PS3. Quieter and grips better. The sidewall doesn't flex as much too at same PSI.

[Kar_lover]

Cup sport is semi-slick which is not supposed to be street use hor.

 

Both PS3 & PSS are UHP. The only diff is diff compound technically.

 

Totally agree with you. The point i was trying to make is that each brand of tyres can have more than 1 UHP model cos earlier they were arguing this model is UHP so that model is HP when in fact both are UHP.

[Roberttan]

I agree with you.

I was on PS3 then to KU36. Wet grip is definitely better with PS3.

Dry grip is same on street but on track it is a world of difference. KU36 also wear off quite fast since only 180 wear-rate. But if driven on street think KU36 still can last.

Now on ASY2. Feel it is even better than PS3. Quieter and grips better. The sidewall doesn't flex as much too at same PSI.

just MHO , if you are driving on DRY and within 80km/h in Singapore all tyres feels the same.

BUT if you try the BRAKING distance (dry)(most important thing i want) and LONG distance high speed you will know the different.

WET weather its demand more from braking distance.

A good Quality tyre deteriorate much slower than lower quailty tyre , it meants Good quaility tyre can maintain the Performance longer.

I strongly recon paying more upfront for Quality is still value for money.

Getting Good Quality tyre the premium is like buying Insurance Policy.

after see the oversea website especially the popular Angmo tyrerack, is quite infomative ,but i will say is for very general info only.

IS no point you found 1 highly rated tyre (tested there in their market and weather also road condition /left hand drive)

which is not made for our market.

 

Edited September 13, 2012 by Roberttan

[Bigbadguy]

What is there to argue abt,

 

Just follow this link

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/

[AlanZ]

correct me if i am wrong

all above are road legal, but these tyres are NOT as good as (wet weather)other UHP tyre like ps3 / re001 / 002/ pirelli P zero / etc.

my understanding tyre like re11 / ad08 is made for road and track use (thus road legal)

 

Re001/002, ps3, rs2, t1r, sdrive, 595 etc are considered ultra high performance street tyres.

Good dry grip while not neglecting wet grip. Threadwear normally ard 220

Ok for occasional tracking.

 

Ad08, re11, r1r, rs3, z1 star spec, ku36 such extreme performance tyres are decent for wet streets.

Generally thread wear ard 180 n provide excellent dry grip. Good for both street n weekend tracking

 

R888, ad050, re11s and other semi slicks are more for track and have very aggressive thread design. Easily recognizable by the limited threads on the tyre design. Be careful when using on wet roads. But they offer the best grip on dry Tarmac.

Thread wear normally 140 or even 100

 

Full slicks r race/track use only.

[Locknload]

What is there to argue abt,

 

Just follow this link

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/

 

Thanks for the link, pretty well sums up with the comparo on the GT HPY vs KU31.

[Jchuacl]

Just note that tyres classified in the same category across brands may not give you the same type of grip.

The more well known tyres will wear more progressively as the mileage is clocked up,whereas the others which may give you good grip initially, but have sub par performance later on.

Personally I downgraded from the re11/ad08 class to 1 class lower (s001) and can immediately feel the degraded impact of braking and steering response. So definitely there'll be difference in experience between 2 categories of tyres. It all boils down to choosing the one that suit your driving style.

 

general questions.

 

What's the difference between the 2 types?

 

UHP wears off faster, less comfortable, nosier BUT better grip of the road and accelerate faster?

 

thanks

 

[Roberttan]

Just note that tyres classified in the same category across brands may not give you the same type of grip.

The more well known tyres will wear more progressively as the mileage is clocked up,whereas the others which may give you good grip initially, but have sub par performance later on.

Personally I downgraded from the re11/ad08 class to 1 class lower (s001) and can immediately feel the degraded impact of braking and steering response. So definitely there'll be difference in experience between 2 categories of tyres. It all boils down to choosing the one that suit your driving style.

Brother s001 is not 1 clss lower than re11 /ad08

they are in diff class at all so is Apple and Orange.

Re002 is 1 class lower than s001 but on most car you will find re002 delivery balance performance

[Jchuacl]

I don't agree on the point that they are of different class as both are passenger tyres.

Perhaps you need to elaborate on why you classify them as different classes.

 

Brother s001 is not 1 clss lower than re11 /ad08

they are in diff class at all so is Apple and Orange.

Re002 is 1 class lower than s001 but on most car you will find re002 delivery balance performance

 

[AlanZ]

I don't agree on the point that they are of different class as both are passenger tyres.

Perhaps you need to elaborate on why you classify them as different classes.

 

I agree with you.

I feel RE11 and Ad08 same class

 

S001 and RE001 and Re002 same class but different grade.

S001 is better overall.

[Beregond]

I agree with you.

I feel RE11 and Ad08 same class

 

S001 and RE001 and Re002 same class but different grade.

S001 is better overall.

 

yep same thinking also.

 

re11, ado8. z1star spec etc is legal for road use. but they got very poor wet weather performance.

more for driver who go track but do not have a set of rim/tyre purely for track use.

 

s001 re002, advan sport. aysm2, sport max tt/gt etc more for normal road use with higher performance then pure comfort tyres and at the same time it performance well during raining days.

 

chose a tyres that suit your needs. rather then chosing 1 that is under what 'cat' etc.

high performance/ ultra high / extreme high /extreme summer etc etc are just 'cat' that ppl give to tyres. it might not suit your needed at all.

[Roberttan]

both re11 and yoko ad08 are same class is designed for track(dry) and road use (street legal).

s001 and re002 bot are bridgstone products , in the brochure stated s001 is a premium tyre that maximises the performance in HIGH end sports car

Re002 : this tyre delivers phenomenal all round dry and wet performance .surprisingly read the bs book , re002 dry performance is 1 bar higher than s001.

from the bs book says if you are not High end sports car re002 is best for you.

for me i will choose re002 NOT s001

[Jchuacl]

The reason is because s001 can take higher loads as compared to a similar tyre profile for re002.

 

both re11 and yoko ad08 are same class is designed for track(dry) and road use (street legal).

s001 and re002 bot are bridgstone products , in the brochure stated s001 is a premium tyre that maximises the performance in HIGH end sports car

Re002 : this tyre delivers phenomenal all round dry and wet performance .surprisingly read the bs book , re002 dry performance is 1 bar higher than s001.

from the bs book says if you are not High end sports car re002 is best for you.

for me i will choose re002 NOT s001

 

[Popok]

yeah tyres , just use what is within budget and your needs..

just changed out my re001 to re002 for my sss.

overall re002 feels better than re001..and since im not high end sports car, s001 would be overkill, hahaha

[Roberttan]

yeah tyres , just use what is within budget and your needs..

just changed out my re001 to re002 for my sss.

overall re002 feels better than re001..and since im not high end sports car, s001 would be overkill, hahaha

ask for what you need , not what you want .

BUT SAFETY is still Priority.

Brother JC , where got such thing s001 can carry higgher load than re002

tyre load can carry is determine by the SIZE and Load index marked after size.