Eight badminton players disqualified from London 2012

[Shibadog]

isn't strategy part of a game? [confused] the system is at fault...they just beat the system...

 

 

i tend to agree with u. A case of strategy vs sportsmanship/entertainment.

How is this different from "team orders" in WRC and F1?

 

edit - i think there needs to be a distinction between throwing a match for strategy vs for bookmakers...

Edited August 2, 2012 by JohnSHL

[Othello]

erh, if you are insinuating me as one of them, i categorically deny i ever support the players.

 

no lah, just overall feel .... 'categorically' always used by footballers/politicians/celebrities to deny things that they KNOW they are guilty off

 

[Acemundo]

no lah, just overall feel .... 'categorically' always used by footballers/politicians/celebrities to deny things that they KNOW they are guilty off

 

haha ok.....does that mean by using this word you don't trust my denial ? haha

 

anyway my view is always that players will have competing priorities to fulfill and if the system doesn't take care of these competing priorities, there will always be certain degree of player not playing to their best. again, no meritfor badminto federation to CATEGORICALLY deny they have overlooked such issues in their design of the tournament format.

[Zakkwylde]

The scandal.

 

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a64_1343860929

[Expertz]

Chinese player quits badminton after Olympic match-fixing disqualification

 

Yu Yang, one of eight competitors who deliberately played to lose, makes announcement as Beijing orders public apology

 

The Chinese Olympic badminton doubles champion Yu Yang has announced she is quitting the sport, hours after being disqualified from the Olympics for deliberately throwing a match. Beijing, meanwhile, has ordered its badminton team to apologise for the fiasco.

 

"This is my last competition. Goodbye Badminton World Federation, goodbye my beloved badminton," the 26-year-old wrote on the country's Weibo microblogging service.

 

Her message came shortly after state news agency Xinhua announced that Chinese officials had ordered Yu, her partner Wang Xiaoli and the head of their Olympic badminton team to publicly apologise.

 

Yu and her teammate Wang Xiaoli were disqualified by badminton's governing body on Wednesday along with two South Korean pairs and an Indonesian duo for "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport".

 

The round-robin arrangements gave players an interest in losing so that they could face easier contests at the elimination stage. But spectators booed them off the court, enraged by the farcical matches in which players deliberately served into the net, hit shots wide or missed easy returns.

 

Such a pity quiting only at age of 26

 

what are you talking about?

she's quitting in shame and she deserves to be shamed!

what she did is an insult to the spirit of the olympics! she is a real disgrace! good on the olympics team for disqualifying her. they should have stopped the match and sent her home!

[Cephas]

what are you talking about?

she's quitting in shame and she deserves to be shamed!

what she did is an insult to the spirit of the olympics! she is a real disgrace! good on the olympics team for disqualifying her. they should have stopped the match and sent her home!

 

Possible her coach can be the culprit on how he wanted them to play?

[1fast1]

I don't know if the Koreans deserved to be DQed. The Chinese were much more blatant, and kept hitting nets even after having been warned with the black card. The Koreans put up a show after that, at least.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Turboflat4

[Blackyv]

Possible her coach can be the culprit on how he wanted them to play?

 

 

Possible??.. have you been in any sport before?..I'm 100% sure they were asked to lose by their coach..

[Tayspiderx]

maybe tony tan spoke to her and offer something??..... maybe we'll see her soon......

Actually if possible prefer to still have certain sports that are FT free...Singapore would be more proud if we truly field a local team, not matter the medal.

[Blackyv]

Actually if possible prefer to still have certain sports that are FT free...Singapore would be more proud if we truly field a local team, not matter the medal.

 

U and I know it's not possible... go read about the Malaysia open news and lion12 got in same group as johor and t hey happy because it's easier for ns boy to cross over. When I read that, I was like wtf... in sport, tat also a consideration is pathetic. How far Can they go with that constrain? ..

[Kb27]

Possible??.. have you been in any sport before?..I'm 100% sure they were asked to lose by their coach..

 

It seemed the main problem is caused by Olympics system.

 

If that situation is not made such that a lose means a easier final, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[Jman888]

Possible??.. have you been in any sport before?..I'm 100% sure they were asked to lose by their coach..

 

 

it could be team manager, coach job is more on the technical part while team manager on the strategy part. But some with budget constraint, coach also double up

[Tayspiderx]

Current proportion of FT and Locals mixture is fine...just dun wish to see the day whereby 50% or more Foreigners representing SIngapore.

[Adrianli]

i think the issue with it is not abt them resting or reserving their energy, is the way they purposedly throw the game away. if they play to their 60% capabilities, i dun think they is any issues with tt, but to purposedly lose it is another thing. u dun see soccer player go and score own goals to lose game, f1 driver after 1st lap go back pit park car off work, or anythin similar.

 

Reminds me of kimi licking his ice cream while the rest of the drivers were still drenched in the rain waiting to re-start the race.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkkyik_ic...-ice-cream_auto

 

 

[Darryn]

It seemed the main problem is caused by Olympics system.

 

If that situation is not made such that a lose means a easier final, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

It seemed the main problem is caused by Olympics system.

 

If that situation is not made such that a lose means a easier final, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

It seems also that the Badminton governing body has played a major role in the fiasco.

 

For the last two years (according to an article in MyPaper) teams have been throwing matches to game the rankings system. If I remember the article correctly it mentioned as much as 20% of "same team finals" ended in a withdrawal or similar. And nothing was done about it. Until now.

 

I say again, throwing a match, any match, in anti-thetical to the ideals of sportsmanship. And this goes double for the Olympics.

 

One thing that springs to mind is the derision that Denis Lillee received for the underarmed incident. Although within the rules, his actions have been derided for decades. There are many other examples. In sport, you simply should not lose on purpose.

 

And I don't care if the system "allowed" it, or even encouraged it - if as a sportsman you don't have the integrity to try your best, you don't deserve the title and you don't deserve to be at the Olympics.

 

I would give my left testicle to have their sort of skill, and they are insulting all the amateurs and weekend players by not doing the best they can.

 

[Darryn]

How would you define a "local team" ? Born in Singapore ? Lived in Singapore for more than 20 years ? Parents were born in Singapore ? Grandparents were born in Singapore ? Tan Howe Liang was born and grew up in China, should we return his Olympic silver medal to China please ? Seems its still wrongfully displayed at the sports museum.

 

I don't know how you would test for it, or how you would enforce it - but my measure would be simple.

 

It should be such that the first priority is that the person (team-member) wants to live here first, and that they happen to be good at sport is secondary.

 

If it seems / appears that they are genuinely emigrating to a country they really desire to live in - then fine.

 

On the other hand, if they are actively recruited and paid for the specific purpose of "winning a medal" I don't think it is right.

 

Where it gets somewhat murky, is when someone is recruited with the purpose of strengthening the local competition, or as a coach / mentor for the local players.

 

I have seen A LOT of debate about whether a national team should use local coaches or whether the best interantional should be recruited. This is particularly relevant when a country is already a world powerhouse in the sport.

 

If the country is dangling money, and essentially buying a medal - I don't think that is correct, or in the interests of any sport.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Darryn

[Taipan49]

It seems also that the Badminton governing body has played a major role in the fiasco.

 

For the last two years (according to an article in MyPaper) teams have been throwing matches to game the rankings system. If I remember the article correctly it mentioned as much as 20% of "same team finals" ended in a withdrawal or similar. And nothing was done about it. Until now.

 

I say again, throwing a match, any match, in anti-thetical to the ideals of sportsmanship. And this goes double for the Olympics.

 

One thing that springs to mind is the derision that Denis Lillee received for the underarmed incident. Although within the rules, his actions have been derided for decades. There are many other examples. In sport, you simply should not lose on purpose.

 

And I don't care if the system "allowed" it, or even encouraged it - if as a sportsman you don't have the integrity to try your best, you don't deserve the title and you don't deserve to be at the Olympics.

 

I would give my left testicle to have their sort of skill, and they are insulting all the amateurs and weekend players by not doing the best they can.

 

It wasn't Dennis Lillee that did the underarm, it was the captain's brother Trevor Chappell. Greg Chappell didn't manage his bowlers properly so rather than having the best bowler for the last over of the game, had to go with Trevor who was less talented. Trevor never played much again after that incident.

[Darryn]

It wasn't Dennis Lillee that did the underarm, it was the captain's brother Trevor Chappell. Greg Chappell didn't manage his bowlers properly so rather than having the best bowler for the last over of the game, had to go with Trevor who was less talented. Trevor never played much again after that incident.

 

s--t - My apologies - I knew I should have looked it up before posting. See, be lazy and make a dumb-arse mistake.