Cyclist Problem

[Tonyng]

Should we get rid of motorcycles too? Afterall a small lapse on the part of a driver can result in the same. Perhaps we should ban cars too. Remember the results of the small lapse of the lorry driver at Pasir Ris as well as the dump truck driver on the police car at Changi? I mean afterall most motorcycles and cars are for transporting people rather than lorry drivers who are providing a service. There's always public transport for car and motorcycle owners.

 

Motorcycles and cars paid road tax. I think it is named this way because tax is being paid to use the road.

 

If you still don't get it, it's ok.

 

I will get it when cyclists pay road tax.

 

 

[Tonyng]

Accidents happen. That is why there is the 1.5m that many cyclists are asking for. So there is more margin for error. Chances of an accident will be much lower as compared to when people overtaking just centimeters from your handlebars.

 

Singapore roads are not cyclist friendly because all drivers have the mindset that the cyclists shouldn't be on the road. You don't see cars trying to overtake other cars with a small gap between them only right? They always move out to the next lane before overtaking isn't it? Drivers just need to adapt to sharing the road.

 

Based on your statements all small cars and light goods vehicles should be banned from the road. As a lapse of concentration on the driver of a much larger heavy vehicle can be life changing to other drivers.

 

Road tax. Road tax. Road tax.

 

If enough cyclists come together and offer to pay road tax, it should be right that their tax collected be used for the extra 1.5m of road that can be carved out for them. So little space - it should be cheap.

 

Why aren't anybody lobbying in that direction?

 

This is safety at its best.

 

You see, I want cyclists to be safe. Or stay home. Funny bit is no road cyclists seem to agree with me.

 

Conclusion: if a recreational cyclist gets into accident, he is asking for it. Even if it is the driver's fault.

 

 

 

[Elfenstar]

Motorcycles and cars paid road tax. I think it is named this way because tax is being paid to use the road.

 

If you still don't get it, it's ok.

 

I will get it when cyclists pay road tax.

 

Ha! Does this mean I get to hit other cars with lower CC than mine and think they deserve it since I pay higher road tax? If you want to bring up that regardless of how much we all pay road tax, based on your argument it doesn't negate the fact that I should have more privileges as I pay more.

 

Think of it this way. Road tax is for the damage to the paved surface as well as the pollution caused. Bicycles have a minimal (if any) effect on both.

[Dymatize]

If you look at the RTR for cars it says more or less the same (i.e. left lane, left side of lane, no to obstruct faster moving vehicles, orderly manner, due regard for the safety of others, etc) Just FYI obstruction refers to taking over the entire road. Which is why on single lane roads, cyclists are not allowed to cycle abreast of each other.

 

hmmm... On single lane roads with oncoming traffic. How is a driver stuck behind a cyclist supposed to overtake? Especially with the 1.5m rule?

[Elfenstar]

Road tax. Road tax. Road tax.

 

If enough cyclists come together and offer to pay road tax, it should be right that their tax collected be used for the extra 1.5m of road that can be carved out for them. So little space - it should be cheap.

 

Why aren't anybody lobbying in that direction?

 

This is safety at its best.

 

You see, I want cyclists to be safe. Or stay home. Funny bit is no road cyclists seem to agree with me.

 

Conclusion: if a recreational cyclist gets into accident, he is asking for it. Even if it is the driver's fault.

 

Again, I can presume to pay more road tax than most by nature of having a car that has 3l of displacement. So since I pay more, I should be able to use more without due regard for those driving cars with smaller displacement right?

 

[Elfenstar]

hmmm... On single lane roads with oncoming traffic. How is a driver stuck behind a cyclist supposed to overtake? Especially with the 1.5m rule?

 

Errm don't you know you can use the oncoming lane when clear for roads where it's divided by dotted white lines?

[Nzy]

hmmm... On single lane roads with oncoming traffic. How is a driver stuck behind a cyclist supposed to overtake? Especially with the 1.5m rule?

 

What would you do if now you were stuck behind a SBS bus travelling slowly on a single lane road? Just wait till the road on the other side is clear before overtaking la. What is the difference?

[Nzy]

Road tax. Road tax. Road tax.

 

If enough cyclists come together and offer to pay road tax, it should be right that their tax collected be used for the extra 1.5m of road that can be carved out for them. So little space - it should be cheap.

 

Why aren't anybody lobbying in that direction?

 

This is safety at its best.

 

You see, I want cyclists to be safe. Or stay home. Funny bit is no road cyclists seem to agree with me.

 

Conclusion: if a recreational cyclist gets into accident, he is asking for it. Even if it is the driver's fault.

 

If my car is bigger than yours and I pay more road tax and I crash into you. You are asking for it right? Cuz you pay less road tax than me. I just want those who pay less road tax than me to stay home and don't jam up the road. Is that what you are saying?

 

If you really hate paying road tax that much then just don't drive and take public transport or cycle? I do have a car also. I don't see any problem with getting stuck behind cyclists. How long will it take to overtake them even if they are slow? 10 seconds?

 

Road tax is based on engine size. How do you calculate the size of the engine on the bicycle? Who should pay road tax for bicycles? Those that cycle on the roads only? How do you determine who are the cyclists who cycle on the roads and who are those who go to the parks only? Or do you have to pay road tax every year as long as you have a bicycle? That'll be practically the whole Singapore. Quite rare to see a household that doesn't even have a single bicycle at home. Then there'll be people complaining that they do not cycle on the roads.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Nzy

[Raymondism]

Hi do anyone of you fell that the "Share the road 1.5m" is b-------t? Sick and tired of seeing cyclist cycling on the road and even expressway on nicholl highway before kpe entrance when they can use the pavement

 

They simply cycle in the left lane forcing cars to drift out of the left lane to siam them, some even more funny in the middle of the freaking lane, and some simply cycle left to right without even checking safety, endangering themself and the cars that siam them.

 

Why ah, why LTA approve these cyclist with no number plate, no road tax, no regard of safety? sometimes at night other places i can see cyclist in a group of maybe 10 occupying lane 2 and 3, forcing vehicle to drive on lane 1, their ah gong owns the road? TP bike ride past also bo chup maybe because they have helmets and cycling gears on... like that means can endanger themself and us???

 

Must really wait till someone get killed then take action? i can understand cycling as a hobby but can do it in a safe place so u can go home safely to your loved ones and we can also??

 

i dun think they are allowed to cycle on expressway

nichol highway is not an expressway

[Storeroom]

Actually I personally feel that 1.5m is not really necessary, maybe about 1m is alright. When I ride, I also don't expect others to give way to me and get into accident with others. But some cars(especially taxis) just simply like to drive very near to a cyclist and if happens that he slips or fall, the consequences will disastrous. I have seen before some cyclists riding together in 2 or 3 files and occupied the whole lane. This behavior is not right, first you never pay road tax and really it is not necessary to ride like that. Unless you are overtaking your friend, single file should be the way. It takes 2 hands to clap. Drivers just give way and keep a safe distance from that bike and bikers just obey the rules on the road and be considerate to the drivers too. I always appreciate and say thanks to drivers who give way to me when I ride.

[Mahjong74]

Hi do anyone of you fell that the "Share the road 1.5m" is b-------t? Sick and tired of seeing cyclist cycling on the road and even expressway on nicholl highway before kpe entrance when they can use the pavement

 

They simply cycle in the left lane forcing cars to drift out of the left lane to siam them, some even more funny in the middle of the freaking lane, and some simply cycle left to right without even checking safety, endangering themself and the cars that siam them.

 

Why ah, why LTA approve these cyclist with no number plate, no road tax, no regard of safety? sometimes at night other places i can see cyclist in a group of maybe 10 occupying lane 2 and 3, forcing vehicle to drive on lane 1, their ah gong owns the road? TP bike ride past also bo chup maybe because they have helmets and cycling gears on... like that means can endanger themself and us???

 

Must really wait till someone get killed then take action? i can understand cycling as a hobby but can do it in a safe place so u can go home safely to your loved ones and we can also??

 

Your topic come just in time.

 

I just got into a accident with a cyclist last week.

 

On a 2 lane road at traffic light. Left lane turn left only. Right lane can turn left also can go straight.

 

I am on the extreme left lane which is TURN LEFT only. While turning left, a cyclist cycling VERY

FAST on my left hand side GOING STRAIGHT (which is my blind spot, did not see him as looking out for pedestrian crossing the road). I start turning and he BANG on my rear and fell down.

 

I heard a loud "thud" and quickly stopped the car and got out to take a look.

 

A young man in his 20s fell down and his legs and arms are bleeding. He got up and F me

upside down with many pedestrians looking.

 

I let him F for a good 3 minutes and I told him:

 

Me: "Are you ok? I think you are ok as you still can F me so loud"

 

Young man: " You think you drive big car big F? Don't know how to give way to cyclist?

What are you going to do now?"

 

Me: " Firstly, I am NOT going to give you any $$$ or bring you to a clinic. Either I call 999 or 995

for you or you can claim my insurance or you can also punch me now."

 

Young man: " You @#$%^. F off lah"

 

Then he just cycle off. I really don't know how to handle this kind of situation.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Mahjong74

[Yhm]

Bottom line is everyone is responsible for their own safety. By the way I do encounter cyclists along my drive to work. I will try to maintain a safe distance between cyclists. However if they choose to disregard their own safety and cycle into my car, I WILL NOT SWERVE TO AVOID THEM. After all, I am protected by a hunk of steel so why should I bother when I have already taken the necessary precautions. So no point performing an evasive stunt to avoid them and cause another accident. At most go to shell to hose off the blood.

 

One more thing, copious amounts of windscreen washer fluid is very effective in getting rid of cyclists or motorcyclists who love to ride in your blindspot.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Yhm

[Haironmylegs]

I am ok to share the roads with cyclists, but those who do not obey traffic rules do not deserve any respect.

 

 

[Nzy]

Your topic come just in time.

 

I just got into a accident with a cyclist last week.

 

On a 2 lane road at traffic light. Left lane turn left only. Right lane can turn left also can go straight.

 

I am on the extreme left lane which is TURN LEFT only. While turning left, a cyclist cycling VERY

FAST on my left hand side GOING STRAIGHT (which is my blind spot, did not see him as looking out for pedestrian crossing the road). I start turning and he BANG on my rear and fell down.

 

I heard a loud "thud" and quickly stopped the car and got out to take a look.

 

A young man in his 20s fell down and his legs and arms are bleeding. He got up and F me

upside down with many pedestrians looking.

 

I let him F for a good 3 minutes and I told him:

 

Me: "Are you ok? I think you are ok as you still can F me so loud"

 

Young man: " You think you drive big car big F? Don't know how to give way to cyclist?

What are you going to do now?"

 

Me: " Firstly, I am NOT going to give you any $$$ or bring you to a clinic. Either I call 999 or 995

for you or you can claim my insurance or you can also punch me now."

 

Young man: " You @#$%^. F off lah"

 

Then he just cycle off. I really don't know how to handle this kind of situation.

 

You were lucky this man don't know how to handle this kind of situation also. If call police I think you'll get some sort of fine already. There's a reason why during driving test you'll get demerit points if you don't check your blindspot before turning.

 

Anyway I also not sure for this kind of roads how to cycle. For me I'll just cycle on the lane that is straight and left, if I am going straight. But someone will always horn at me and expect me to keep all the way to the left even though the leftmost lane is for left turn only. Wonder which is the correct way.

[Raymondism]

Your topic come just in time.

 

I just got into a accident with a cyclist last week.

 

On a 2 lane road at traffic light. Left lane turn left only. Right lane can turn left also can go straight.

 

I am on the extreme left lane which is TURN LEFT only. While turning left, a cyclist cycling VERY

FAST on my left hand side GOING STRAIGHT (which is my blind spot, did not see him as looking out for pedestrian crossing the road). I start turning and he BANG on my rear and fell down.

 

I heard a loud "thud" and quickly stopped the car and got out to take a look.

 

A young man in his 20s fell down and his legs and arms are bleeding. He got up and F me

upside down with many pedestrians looking.

 

I let him F for a good 3 minutes and I told him:

 

Me: "Are you ok? I think you are ok as you still can F me so loud"

 

Young man: " You think you drive big car big F? Don't know how to give way to cyclist?

What are you going to do now?"

 

Me: " Firstly, I am NOT going to give you any $$$ or bring you to a clinic. Either I call 999 or 995

for you or you can claim my insurance or you can also punch me now."

 

Young man: " You @#$%^. F off lah"

 

Then he just cycle off. I really don't know how to handle this kind of situation.

Got pple injure n u did not report police?

 

[Royho1979]

I am amuse how the cyclists becomes super defensive when such topics comes up, insisting there are provisions in the law to ensure their safety must be protected. Sure there are such laws, but are they enforced? Bitching about your rights in a forum does not make u less susceptible to death. The roads here are just not very welcoming to cyclists. Everyone knows it. Make a choice and test your luck. It is the same as swimming in shark infested water. If you feel lucky then go ahead. Also, antagonizing drivers in forums will not help your cause.

[inlinesix]

You were lucky this man don't know how to handle this kind of situation also. If call police I think you'll get some sort of fine already. There's a reason why during driving test you'll get demerit points if you don't check your blindspot before turning.

 

Anyway I also not sure for this kind of roads how to cycle. For me I'll just cycle on the lane that is straight and left, if I am going straight. But someone will always horn at me and expect me to keep all the way to the left even though the leftmost lane is for left turn only. Wonder which is the correct way.

For me, i will think like a driver. I will move to the next lane to go straight. If drivers can't understand, they should re-take Basic Theory.

[Mahjong74]

Got pple injure n u did not report police?

 

 

Hello, he just cycle off while I did offer to call the Police or Ambulance for him.

 

Can I report a hit and run? He hit my car and run away?