Cyclist Problem

[Lsflsf]

Personally...i dun cycle at that time along those busy roads la....

Weekdays nite i will do Changi Coastal Road...Sat early morning will depends on my kakis (we start as early as 430am)...

 

i didnt say right of way...i m just saying that we should take it in our stride that bicycle is also a vehicle on the road... :)

 

Not much cars at that time right, not causing much of a disruption to traffice right, unless you travel in the middle of road, that is actually the correct way a real cyclist should do, and not try some stunt riding on a expressay...

 

Dirtbike i think u belongs to those more considerate and safe rider but this thread is pointing at those more inconsiderate and unsafe cyclist u know... this thread dont point towards those that try as much as possible to enjoy their hobby at the minimal inconvinience of others

Edited July 20, 2012 by Lsflsf

[Taipan49]

So much angst over really nothing. So a cyclist inconveniences you for all of 10secs. Get over it, they are legally allowed to be on the road. You will be inconvenienced more by the next red traffic light by a bigger time than this, like 30-60secs. You will be inconvenienced by the guy in the fast lane doing 5km under the speed limit and refusing to move over. You will inconvenienced by the guy who speeds up to not let you into your lane when you indicate to change. Geez, why can't we all be more considerate with our general actions.

 

I cycle each day from work, and a fair trip too. Bedok to Tanjong Pagar. Reason, it takes the same time as the car/bus. I save a lot of money as petrol/erp/parking/bus fares etc all add up and in these times I prefer more money in my pocket than handing it out unnecessarily. But I do choose an appropriate route that avoids heavy traffic areas. In fact, out of the 20km for each trip, really only 2km is on roads that have congestion.

[Nzy]

70km for commercial vehicle. and always keep left. they usually go way past 70 if most of you notice lol :) so technically speaking they are in the flow of traffic. not really disrupting. :)

 

Not all can go at 70km/h. Those tonner only 50km/h and some heavy vehicles is 40km/h. They are still allowed on these 80km/h roads right?

[Elfenstar]

nicholl still not considered xpressway? 80km/hr speed limit lei... bicycle can hit 80 or not? if no then will be retarding the flow of traffice lei. 1.5m clearance? the if he cycle 500m away from the side kerb then i give him 1.5m then 2m away my car 2 wheels on next lane le

 

so lets assume that the driver slow down and drive slowly behind the bicycle and try to get a chance to change lane to siam the rider when the next line is full of cars speeding at 80km/hr, a que definately will form behind his car then ppl will start to recklessly force their way into another lane just to siam this car that is trying to change out of the left lane, isnt this creating more opportunities for a accident to happen??

 

Now what i am trying to say that these cyclist put their lives and others lives in danger when they can simply cycle on a proper track and be safe enough to go back to their loved ones.

 

Cycling on pavement hit children and old grannies at 30km/hr, bro, if you are really going to travel that fast why dont go to a proper cycling track so u wont endanger anyone life at all... thats no excuse at all to not cycle at pavement :)

 

Nicoll Highway is not considered to be an expressway so cyclists are allowed. The trick when driving is always be aware and alert. Rare is the occasion where I need to follow behind a bicycle slowly (usually its when I'm being the safety car). You need to improve on your driving skills. Know whats going on as far ahead, behind, and to the sides as possible.

 

Although more the exception that the norm, here are a couple of youtube videos for your viewing pleasure. Just as a reference, I've hit 70kmh now before chickening out, and my average cruise speed on changi coast road is 35kmh. I'm not fit yet either

Edited July 20, 2012 by Elfenstar

[Elfenstar]

Erm bro i dont think that on a busy high speed road u cycling a bike should have the right of way.

 

Even if ur wife or gf know will also worry for you, u just need 1, just one driver that is not skilled enough, or maybe drunk, or maybe simple blur to kill u instantly. No joke le, 70-80km/hr can kill u instantly even before your life can flash in front of you. All these risk just because you want to enjoy cycling 30km/hr? That driver the most go to jail but u go to heaven, so in the end who suffer? EVERYONE... just because something totally avoidable? why not cycle on roads late night where there is ample lanes for cars to use the 2nd and 1st lance so u can ride ur bicycle on the 3rd lane? or at least to the point that it is safe? Just my friendly advise to those cyclist.

 

Therein lies the problem. There should not be a right of way mindset. Our driving mindset should be simply "How can I get to my destination while keep everyone else around me and myself safe".

 

If you want to use a legal argument, then your grouse against cyclists on Nicoll Highway holds no weight at all, because cyclist are legally allowed there (also the same with the other highway, West Coast Highway), they're legally allowed to cycle two abreast on any road where there is more than one lane, they're allowed to filter to the other lanes to make a right turn, etc.

[Taipan49]

Therein lies the problem. There should not be a right of way mindset. Our driving mindset should be simply "How can I get to my destination while keep everyone else around me and myself safe".

 

If you want to use a legal argument, then your grouse against cyclists on Nicoll Highway holds no weight at all, because cyclist are legally allowed there (also the same with the other highway, West Coast Highway), they're legally allowed to cycle two abreast on any road where there is more than one lane, they're allowed to filter to the other lanes to make a right turn, etc.

 

Also goes back to your driver's license is a privilege, not a right. You have been granted control of a vehicle that has the potential to maim and hurt other people so you should act appropriately.

[Taipan49]

Also goes back to your driver's license is a privilege, not a right. You have been granted control of a vehicle that has the potential to maim and hurt other people so you should act appropriately.

 

Also not directing my response at Elfenstar, but tagging on the back of his comment.

[Lsflsf]

Well this is actually not say who have more right and who have more wrong as simply said i just hope that there could be more safety and less unnecessary accidents. Which ever highway i will say is pure danger to cycle there,

 

If u said they are allowed to as it is legal as the garhmen says ok, not very surprising also, this is the time that actual common sense should come in like will i be safe riding at that speed at that place at that time. This is basic evaluation that a good cyclist should have, instead of aiya just cycle on the highway lo dont need to worry as cars behind me sure will siam me and i will be ok

 

usually our garhmen policy is like that not enough blood shed means not enough reason for a new or adjustment of law. U see them crumpling for new laws when s--t happens mutiple times, so far my 1 years plus using that road i have already seen 4 accidents along that stretch, dunno why or what happen also.

[Elfenstar]

Well this is actually not say who have more right and who have more wrong as simply said i just hope that there could be more safety and less unnecessary accidents. Which ever highway i will say is pure danger to cycle there,

 

If u said they are allowed to as it is legal as the garhmen says ok, not very surprising also, this is the time that actual common sense should come in like will i be safe riding at that speed at that place at that time. This is basic evaluation that a good cyclist should have, instead of aiya just cycle on the highway lo dont need to worry as cars behind me sure will siam me and i will be ok

 

usually our garhmen policy is like that not enough blood shed means not enough reason for a new or adjustment of law. U see them crumpling for new laws when s--t happens mutiple times, so far my 1 years plus using that road i have already seen 4 accidents along that stretch, dunno why or what happen also.

 

Think about it this way. If a driver hits something while driving its the drivers fault. He/she needs to improve on their habits, mindset, and/or skills instead of blaming the other party.

[Leijasper]

Most cyclist are driving to cycle by the expensive COE.

You think anyone don't want to own a car and travel in comfort meh?

Those that risk their life on bicycle traveling to work are quite pitiful. Risking their life daily, while bluffing themself they are exercising and helalthy and saving the earth. I don't deny the ambition is correct.

But it's just does not not work in Singapore where the weather is hot and the road are narrow and dangerous.

 

 

Bro, I think dis tread is not on those cycling to work but rather on the rich guys who can afford 4-5k bicycle and cycle in big groups on weekend morning

[Lsflsf]

Think about it this way. If a driver hits something while driving its the drivers fault. He/she needs to improve on their habits, mindset, and/or skills instead of blaming the other party.

 

Blaming is not the key point of this thread. Safety is. End of the day when s--t happens, who blame who also pointless le

[Tonyng]

Bro, I think dis tread is not on those cycling to work but rather on the rich guys who can afford 4-5k bicycle and cycle in big groups on weekend morning

 

Fact: Nobody wants to hit anybody.

 

Fact: But accidents happen. A lapse of concentration on the driver can be life changing for a cyclist.

 

Fact: Singapore roads are not cyclist friendly.

 

Fact: There are alternatives - MRT/bus/taxi/car/walk. But yet people just love to cycle.

 

Conclusion: Recreational cyclist who gets run down are just asking for it. Even if it is a driver's fault.

[Lsflsf]

http://www.ntu.edu.sg/ohs/safetyforeveryon...n%20Cycling.pdf

 

ROAD TRAFFIC ACT

(CHAPTER 276, SECTION 140)

ROAD TRAFFIC (BICYCLES) RULES

 

Bicycle to be ridden on left side of road

 

8.

Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and

in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed. Load

on bicycle not to exceed 18 kg.

 

10.

No bicycle shall be ridden or propelled otherwise than in an orderly manner and with due regard for the safety of others. Lights to be carried by bicycles during darkness.

 

Erm singapore cycling laws... :) Still legal?

Edited July 20, 2012 by Lsflsf

[Lsflsf]

Bro, I think dis tread is not on those cycling to work but rather on the rich guys who can afford 4-5k bicycle and cycle in big groups on weekend morning

 

erm actually not only weekend morning, weekdays night also, basically anytime they like regardless of traffice condition

[Elfenstar]

Fact: Nobody wants to hit anybody.

 

Fact: But accidents happen. A lapse of concentration on the driver can be life changing for a cyclist.

 

Fact: Singapore roads are not cyclist friendly.

 

Fact: There are alternatives - MRT/bus/taxi/car/walk. But yet people just love to cycle.

 

Conclusion: Recreational cyclist who gets run down are just asking for it. Even if it is a driver's fault.

 

Should we get rid of motorcycles too? Afterall a small lapse on the part of a driver can result in the same. Perhaps we should ban cars too. Remember the results of the small lapse of the lorry driver at Pasir Ris as well as the dump truck driver on the police car at Changi? I mean afterall most motorcycles and cars are for transporting people rather than lorry drivers who are providing a service. There's always public transport for car and motorcycle owners.

[Elfenstar]

Blaming is not the key point of this thread. Safety is. End of the day when s--t happens, who blame who also pointless le

 

Well perhaps more drivers should learn to share the road properly. Afterall if bus drivers can go all out to look after cyclists on the road, don't you think people who are supposedly higher in society due to a larger income should be capable of more conscientious driving?

 

Drivers should stop making noise and adapt. The statistics show that there are more and more cyclists both recreational and those who use them for transport on the road.

[Nzy]

Fact: Nobody wants to hit anybody.

 

Fact: But accidents happen. A lapse of concentration on the driver can be life changing for a cyclist.

 

Fact: Singapore roads are not cyclist friendly.

 

Fact: There are alternatives - MRT/bus/taxi/car/walk. But yet people just love to cycle.

 

Conclusion: Recreational cyclist who gets run down are just asking for it. Even if it is a driver's fault.

 

Accidents happen. That is why there is the 1.5m that many cyclists are asking for. So there is more margin for error. Chances of an accident will be much lower as compared to when people overtaking just centimeters from your handlebars.

 

Singapore roads are not cyclist friendly because all drivers have the mindset that the cyclists shouldn't be on the road. You don't see cars trying to overtake other cars with a small gap between them only right? They always move out to the next lane before overtaking isn't it? Drivers just need to adapt to sharing the road.

 

Based on your statements all small cars and light goods vehicles should be banned from the road. As a lapse of concentration on the driver of a much larger heavy vehicle can be life changing to other drivers.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Nzy

[Elfenstar]

http://www.ntu.edu.sg/ohs/safetyforeveryon...n%20Cycling.pdf

 

ROAD TRAFFIC ACT

(CHAPTER 276, SECTION 140)

ROAD TRAFFIC (BICYCLES) RULES

 

Bicycle to be ridden on left side of road

 

8.

Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and

in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed. Load

on bicycle not to exceed 18 kg.

 

10.

No bicycle shall be ridden or propelled otherwise than in an orderly manner and with due regard for the safety of others. Lights to be carried by bicycles during darkness.

 

Erm singapore cycling laws... :) Still legal?

 

If you look at the RTR for cars it says more or less the same (i.e. left lane, left side of lane, no to obstruct faster moving vehicles, orderly manner, due regard for the safety of others, etc) Just FYI obstruction refers to taking over the entire road. Which is why on single lane roads, cyclists are not allowed to cycle abreast of each other.