AFV_V200 3rd Gear July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 (edited) Got my dream home and miss out a huge huge column. (size 120cm x 25cm) I am 2 floors below the highest floor and why still need such huge a big column? I need expert on. 1. can the column be removed since I am almost at the top floor level. if the loading of above 2 floors does not require such. 2. if not. can it be reduce in size? 3. any other method. I do not want to illegally remove any structural member within the house. I need to do something as I just created a new guest room and the column is right in the center!!!!! Thank you for the advice in advance! Edited July 13, 2012 by AFV_V200 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 I think this kind of advice needs to be paid for? And the blueprints and details looked at before they can even give any cursory comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFV_V200 3rd Gear July 13, 2012 Author Share July 13, 2012 oops! column is 120cm x 25cm. not 250cm me bad! sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mightymito 1st Gear July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 How could you have missed out? should have been in the brouchure. If not you need a lawyer not an engineer. Can get some $$ back one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 maybe you show the floorplan and the actual photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFV_V200 3rd Gear July 13, 2012 Author Share July 13, 2012 How could you have missed out? should have been in the brouchure. If not you need a lawyer not an engineer. Can get some $$ back one. its a resale apartment. c--k eye to miss that column. :( Went to management office and checked. on top my unit penthouse has no column on where my house column is standing. top of column rest at the junction of T-beam. T shape beam lah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardo Clutched July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 you probably need to engage a PE to assess it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liping24cn Clutched July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 (edited) Wow...most vertical columns surely cannot be removed. As its load bearing. General rule is Only can remove bricks walls and bricks columns without rebar! A T-shape support is there for a reason. I do not think the original structural engineer put it there for fun or wimps. Already civil engineers have minimized the columns size and position to the minimum. Go and check your downstairs neighbours all the way to first floor. If they also have the columns till first level, then this columns served the purpose to support the entire building from bottom to top!! If they don't have this columns, then yes....you may Risk to remove it after you hire a civil engineer. Edited July 13, 2012 by Liping24cn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainman 1st Gear July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 Got my dream home and miss out a huge huge column. (size 120cm x 25cm) I am 2 floors below the highest floor and why still need such huge a big column? I need expert on. 1. can the column be removed since I am almost at the top floor level. if the loading of above 2 floors does not require such. 2. if not. can it be reduce in size? 3. any other method. I do not want to illegally remove any structural member within the house. I need to do something as I just created a new guest room and the column is right in the center!!!!! Thank you for the advice in advance! Get your renovator to check this with HDB. Sorry to say that hacking of columns/pillars are usually not approved. Just curious how awkward that pillar is in your house? Any photos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow6447 Clutched July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 Beams resting on column .. load bearing .. leave it alone ! Engage Professional Engineer (PE) for advice if you still want to have it removed .. PE will obtain structural plan to confirm. Some money cannot save .. life more impt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitvip Supersonic July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 The column is purpose-built to prevent "hotel New World"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Hypersonic July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 i am surprise at TS asking this sort of question that needs no answer.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theobserver 2nd Gear July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 If you know one of the reasons for hotel new world collapse, you wouldn't remove it . Haven't seen yourr plan but if it really is a column, no pe in the right mind will endorse it for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5936 1st Gear July 13, 2012 Share July 13, 2012 Not only that you need a structural engineer, he must be a registered PE. He can provide engineering study and any possible countermeasures at your cost. That is as fas as engineering review is concerned. To get it modified, building owner, not unit owner, must consent to PE application to BCA with building plans for modification. Civil works is already very costly, so structure modificatiion works, will cost you much much more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFV_V200 3rd Gear July 14, 2012 Author Share July 14, 2012 Not only that you need a structural engineer, he must be a registered PE. He can provide engineering study and any possible countermeasures at your cost. That is as fas as engineering review is concerned. To get it modified, building owner, not unit owner, must consent to PE application to BCA with building plans for modification. Civil works is already very costly, so structure modificatiion works, will cost you much much more. Maybe I should clarify a little. I know I can not remove the column without adding some "small" columns. And let the original loading transfer to this 2 new columns? (see drawing attached here). The original condition.... 1. Column was from 1st floor to 18th floor (my floor). then 19th & 20th floor no column (i only knew the top 2 floor is penthouse after I asked the drawing of top 2 floor from management office to verify.) 2. My objective is to remove the main big column 120x25cm. and have 2 new added steel tube or steel I-beam column (see drawing) of so call transfer column (got such term?). if that is workable.. I will get a engineer and get a cost for the modification. Is that expensive? too expensive then i can for get about it. Need to remove that column cost I need 1 extra bedroom (column right in the center of this extra bedroom). Any Structural Engineer care to advice? Thank you very much in advance for all the advice i will get here. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liping24cn Clutched July 14, 2012 Share July 14, 2012 How about realignment of the swing door to create a different entry point away from the column. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_blade Turbocharged July 14, 2012 Share July 14, 2012 (edited) This will be very complex to even get everyone to agree to allow it to even go through the submission stage. Before you can get its his going, after you have your structural engineer do all the calculations & drawings, you will need to seek management's approval, which in turn will probably have to seek the other people living in that block, especially the one living above, to approve. Once that is done, you will have to get approval from BCA, etc. It will be lengthy & costly affair (probably upwards of $50k for submission fee, engineer's fee, insurance, etc.). There will be other cost such as modifications & repair work to your neighbours' units, etc) On the technical side, I doubt your plan is workable. It is not so easy to just transfer the load of a single coloum to 2 smaller ones, especially for high rise building. Also, while working on the structure, damages will be inevitable to the surrounding units cause of vibration, movements, etc. Edited July 14, 2012 by Silver_blade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFV_V200 3rd Gear July 14, 2012 Author Share July 14, 2012 This will be very complex to even get everyone to agree to allow it to even go through the submission stage. Before you can get its his going, after you have your structural engineer do all the calculations & drawings, you will need to seek management's approval, which in turn will probably have to seek the other people living in that block, especially the one living above, to approve. Once that is done, you will have to get approval from BCA, etc. It will be lengthy & costly affair (probably upwards of $50k for submission fee, engineer's fee, insurance, etc.). There will be other cost such as modifications & repair work to your neighbours' units, etc) On the technical side, I doubt your plan is workable. It is not so easy to just transfer the load of a single coloum to 2 smaller ones, especially for high rise building. Also, while working on the structure, damages will be inevitable to the surrounding units cause of vibration, movements, etc. What?! 50K?! Forget it then i guess. for the comfort of not having any column in the room for the rest of my life. my limit is 15K max. Guess it will be a no go with such a lengthy process. :( What above reduce the length of 120cm ? I actually only needs to worry above me top 2 floors right? and the weight of top 2 floor also do not need such a big cloumn right? I always wonder why those column is the same from 1 st floor to top floor. I thought the column size should reduce when it reach the upper floor, since the weight/loading will reduce. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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