Enye Hypersonic July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 Good move to reduce FT flooding in and straining our infrastucture. But now we know the reason behind the surge in FTs for the past couple of years. $2800/mth can bring in parents, in-laws, spouse and children? [sINGAPORE] First, higher levies and stricter work pass conditions made it harder for foreigners to work here. Now, foreigners will also find it tougher to keep their families here, under a new rule announced on the Ministry of Manpower's (MOM) website on Monday. For Singaporeans, this move might mean fewer foreigners competing for limited space in local schools, hospitals and trains. But the city-state might also be less attractive to some lower-earning skilled foreigners who will now have to work here without their spouses or children. From Sept 1, MOM said in a posting on its website, S Pass and Employment Pass (EP) holders need to earn at least $4,000 monthly before they can sponsor a Dependant's Pass for their spouses and children. The salary requirement is up from $2,800 previously. The Dependant's Pass is a privilege that allows foreigners to stay here for longer periods of time, and is tied to the duration of the sponsor's work pass. Dependants can also apply for Letters of Consent to work here, without having to apply for a work pass. For all EP holders, their parents-in-law are no longer allowed to stay here. Those earning more under the EP framework will face progressively fewer restrictions. P2 Pass holders, who earn at least $4,500, can bring their spouses and children, but will no longer be able to bring their parents or parents-in-law. P1 Pass holders, who earn at least $8,000, can still bring their parents in addition to their spouses and children - just not their parents-in-law. Meanwhile, P1 and P2 Pass holders can also still apply for long-term visit passes for other categories like common-law spouses, their children, and handicapped children and stepchildren aged above 21. Explaining the changes, MOM said: "The government is making this move as part of the overall direction to moderate growth of the non-resident population, including the foreign workforce inflow, in Singapore. "This will help ease the pressure on our social infrastructure," it said. MOM advised companies not to make a "knee- jerk reaction" to the tightening of dependant privileges, as MOM will continue to approve Dependant's Pass applications before Sept 1. Current dependants can also stay in Singapore as long as the main pass holder has a valid work pass and remains with the same employer. MOM's move is the latest in a series of moves by various ministries to sharpen the privileges of being Singaporean and restrict the influx of foreigners which has strained the city's infrastructure and caused locals considerable angst in the last few years. For example, qualifying salaries for EP holders were raised to $3,000 in January along with stricter educational requirements. Higher foreign worker levies and tighter foreign worker quotas kicked in earlier this month. MOM, however, stressed that Singapore "remains a global talent capital" and continues to welcome highly skilled foreign talent who want families to stay with them. Observers say that the latest change affects young graduates looking to work here who earn wages in the $2,800-$4,000 range. Teo Siong Seng, president of the Singapore Chinese Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said: "I don't understand the rationale. Do support and give priority to Singaporeans, but we must also open up to talented people. Those who are younger and just started work, just married, might be discouraged from coming to work here as it is harder to part from their spouses." Similarly, Annie Yap, managing director of recruiter AYP Associates, said that "quite a lot of foreigners earn in the $2,800- $4,000 range", so the move will deter some from continuing to work here. Others are divided on whether the move will have an impact on Singapore's attractiveness to talent. Singapore National Employers Federation executive director Koh Juan Kiat pointed out that other countries have similar restrictions for dependants. Lim Der Shing, chief executive of online recruitment portal JobsCentral, said that Singapore is such an expensive place to live in anyway that it is likely that only those earning $4,000 and above are bringing dependants in. "For my company, people on S Passes and EPs don't bring their dependants over unless both husband and wife are working," he added. Chan Chong Beng, president of the Association of Small and Medium Enterprises, said the move is a good one. "Our infrastructure today is quite jammed and will need some time to be ready for more people. This will ease the pressure," he said. Ultimately, the move might be good in the short term but may have an unintended consequence in low-fertility Singapore, which is trying hard to solve its demographic problems, said sociologist Paulin Straughan, an associate professor at NUS. She said that the new rule will encourage a "guest-worker" mentality among foreign workers earning less than $4,000 a month. They will more likely be single and willing to work longer hours for lower wages, Prof Straughan said. "We're no longer going to be attractive to married individuals who can fill in the kind of jobs people in that salary range usually take - essentially service sector jobs. "This changes the nature of work. You will have foreigners come in who are single, and their only intention is to make as much money as they can and go home - as, obviously, they are not welcome here," Prof Straughan added. "That's a pity. Because when the entire family is here, the way the guest worker leads his or her family life will be very different. "They will be more like regular Singaporeans, keeping regular hours to have a good work-life balance." ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 (edited) pffft . can send back those that dun meet critieria? knn go cold storage always kenna those india FT whole family kpkb and block up the shopping lanes Edited July 11, 2012 by Mockngbrd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evillusion Supersonic July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 We already flooded....no point patching the dam if the water still remains! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enye Hypersonic July 11, 2012 Author Share July 11, 2012 On 7/11/2012 at 6:46 AM, Eviilusion said: We already flooded....no point patching the dam if the water still remains! if any comfort, at least it won't get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relagsingh 4th Gear July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 On 7/11/2012 at 6:52 AM, Enye said: if any comfort, at least it won't get worse. Too late. Cuz it can't get any worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 This Prof Straughan ivory tower talk. guest worker mentality influence sub $4000 income also is already a reality. how many really looking to plant roots here even if earning more than $4000? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 muz be like trying to plug overflowing toilet bowl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardo Clutched July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 This revision comes a tad too late where inflation has peaked and infrastructure reached their bottleneck and most importantly we had all suffered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin79 2nd Gear July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 On 7/11/2012 at 6:46 AM, Eviilusion said: We already flooded....no point patching the dam if the water still remains! hehehe it may work.... those that r still here... realises that their whole family cannot come over... and decides instead to leave and go back... Win Win situation for all... Bravo.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruriimasu 1st Gear July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 wont go back. since no other country welcomes them to come over to work like our country does. On 7/11/2012 at 7:04 AM, Calvin79 said: hehehe it may work.... those that r still here... realises that their whole family cannot come over... and decides instead to leave and go back... Win Win situation for all... Bravo.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrage 1st Gear July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 actually quite sad that they may be breaking up family in this way.. No matter what singapore shld value family ties as a society. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockngbrd Supersonic July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 On 7/11/2012 at 7:51 AM, Jrage said: actually quite sad that they may be breaking up family in this way.. No matter what singapore shld value family ties as a society. then they ALL move back to their own country lor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qpik Supercharged July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 We have Singaporeans who worked overseas on local terms i.e. no family included in posting. So, should we feel sad that some foreigner's family might be "broken up" due to this change? The Dependant's Pass is a privilege that allows foreigners to stay here for longer periods of time, and is tied to the duration of the sponsor's work pass. Dependants can also apply for Letters of Consent to work here, without having to apply for a work pass. In fact, certain countries do not allow dependant to work to safeguard their citizen's interests. Imo, if the govt are seriously about protecting citizen's interest. They should take more drastic measures. These measures amount to nothing. On the contrary, we might see all-time high of dependant's pass application to beat 1st Sep '12 dateline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader75 Neutral Newbie July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 On 7/11/2012 at 6:42 AM, Enye said: "This changes the nature of work. You will have foreigners come in who are single, and their only intention is to make as much money as they can and go home - as, obviously, they are not welcome here," Prof Straughan added. What?! It took them so long to realize this simple fact? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enye Hypersonic July 11, 2012 Author Share July 11, 2012 economic recession followed by mass retrenchments Then all have to go back That's the only way to make those already here leave but singaporeans' livelihood also affected under those circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4vtec 3rd Gear July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 On 7/11/2012 at 7:51 AM, Jrage said: actually quite sad that they may be breaking up family in this way.. No matter what singapore shld value family ties as a society. Not at the expense of SINGAPOREANS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 Seems to be a good and fair move. I support Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbuktu Clutched July 11, 2012 Share July 11, 2012 (edited) I see many such FT extended families here. Example of one I came across in a hawker center 3-4 months ago: one Indian FT with wife, 3 children and grandmother + grandfather. It set me thinking ... only 1 came here to work, but many mouths and bodies follow. Multiply by the total number of such extended families ... no wonder everywhere packed and jammed. Do govt statistics ever show the additional head count that c/w each FT individual brought in here? Edited July 11, 2012 by Timbuktu ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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