Electric cars

[Invigorated]

Tesla will be shining up there with premium makes with its efficient cost structure and hopefully with an Asian focus when it comes to support and service.

I'm more curious how the bread and butter makes would be affected by the new EV competition.

I agree with some here that the hybrid models may be more cost effective for the lower end of the market as EV savings aren't as significant.

Doing some math, if one gets a Honda shuttle hybrid that runs at 24-25km/l very easily, and perhaps travels at 1500km a month, petrol cost will be about $110 per mth, assuming a 20% petrol discount.

A Hyundai Ioniq EV which has 250km range with a 38kwh battery requires 228kwh for 1500km, which would cost $96 a month at SP charge (42c per kWh). 

That's mere 10 bucks difference and with some petrol coupons, prob not much of a difference. If one drives less than 1500km a month, the difference becomes even more insignificant.

With the higher upfront cost, lower parf value, increasing lump sum tax that's to come (extra 700 a year), plus range anxiety and inconvenience if one can't find a charge port quickly, I would still say it isn't a sure choice for the lower end of the market unless we see prices of EV drop very significantly to ICE-model prices. Of cos, one saves on servicing and replacement of some parts with an EV but the extra cost from higher road tax and upfront cost may have negated all that.

[Freeder]

32 minutes ago, Invigorated said:

Tesla will be shining up there with premium makes with its efficient cost structure and hopefully with an Asian focus when it comes to support and service.

I'm more curious how the bread and butter makes would be affected by the new EV competition.

I agree with some here that the hybrid models may be more cost effective for the lower end of the market as EV savings aren't as significant.

Doing some math, if one gets a Honda shuttle hybrid that runs at 24-25km/l very easily, and perhaps travels at 1500km a month, petrol cost will be about $110 per mth, assuming a 20% petrol discount.

A Hyundai Ioniq EV which has 250km range with a 38kwh battery requires 228kwh for 1500km, which would cost $96 a month at SP charge (42c per kWh). 

That's mere 10 bucks difference and with some petrol coupons, prob not much of a difference. If one drives less than 1500km a month, the difference becomes even more insignificant.

With the higher upfront cost, lower parf value, increasing lump sum tax that's to come (extra 700 a year), plus range anxiety and inconvenience if one can't find a charge port quickly, I would still say it isn't a sure choice for the lower end of the market unless we see prices of EV drop very significantly to ICE-model prices. Of cos, one saves on servicing and replacement of some parts with an EV but the extra cost from higher road tax and upfront cost may have negated all that.

For me, it’s the all new driving sexperience that counts...

Current Hybrid cars still functions and drives like normal cars ..

With Tesla , it’s like driving the future with all the new technologies , minimalist cockpit design n quick acceleration ..

Lastly, the entry price to buy the car is still acceptable for most EV car enthusiasts..

But the rims need to have better designs though..😅

 

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[Carbon82]

@Goldenvodka you asking about car with power rating of 30KW previously and this is the closest modern car I can find, excluding those Low Speed Electric Vehicles (LSEVs, with max. speed of up to 60 or 70Km/h) in China which can be driven without the need to possess a driving license.

Dacia Spring EV Is The Perfect Sightseeing Car Because It’s Dead Slow

Quick Specs

• Max. horsepower: 33KW (44hp)
• Max. Torque: 125Nm
• 0 - 50Km/h: 5.8 sec
• 0 - 100Km/h: 19.1 sec
• Top Speed: 125Km/h
• Range: 230 - 305Km
• Charging time: 4.5 - 13+hr (stand charger)
• Weight: 970Kg

[Heartlander]

22 hours ago, Freeder said:

For me, it’s the all new driving sexperience that counts...

Current Hybrid cars still functions and drives like normal cars ..

With Tesla , it’s like driving the future with all the new technologies , minimalist cockpit design n quick acceleration ..

Lastly, the entry price to buy the car is still acceptable for most EV car enthusiasts..

But the rims need to have better designs though..😅

 

Actually i still do not get it why you get so excited about the new technologies in a Tesla car. Beside being powered by batteries that introduces range anxiety and very fast century sprint and low CG due to battery location, what other ground breaking technologies are there? Isn't it just another car?

[inlinesix]

27 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

Actually i still do not get it why you get so excited about the new technologies in a Tesla car. Beside being powered by batteries that introduces range anxiety and very fast century sprint and low CG due to battery location, what other ground breaking technologies are there? Isn't it just another car?

With 400km range, still got anxiety?
Do PHV still got spare range

[Freeder]

36 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

Actually i still do not get it why you get so excited about the new technologies in a Tesla car. Beside being powered by batteries that introduces range anxiety and very fast century sprint and low CG due to battery location, what other ground breaking technologies are there? Isn't it just another car?

After driving combustion cars for so long, think it’s time to try out a electronic car for a change...

Will be using solely on Sg roads so definitely no range anxiety for me..
Also no more enslaving to the oil cartel here..

As stated earlier , it will be definitely a new driving sexperience for me.. a game changer ...

Btw, the rim designs on offer now really CMI.. what’s the wheel fitment like?
Must go LS again if confirm the car 😅
 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Freeder

[kelaihoyin]

11 minutes ago, Freeder said:

After driving combustion cars for so long, think it’s time to try out a electronic car for a change...

Will be using solely on Sg roads so definitely no range anxiety for me..
Also no more enslaving to the oil cartel here..

As stated earlier , it will be definitely a new driving sexperience for me.. a game changer ...

Btw, the rim designs on offer now really CMI.. what’s the wheel fitment like?
Must go LS again if confirm the car 😅
 

Can just go try out the MG ZS EV if really want to get a feel of it first.

One will be surprise how smooth the drive is. Not forgetting the overwhelming torque.

If one thinks the Chinese can't build a good car, test drive and see for yourself.😁

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[Goldenvodka]

Not bad

17 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

@Goldenvodka you asking about car with power rating of 30KW previously and this is the closest modern car I can find, excluding those Low Speed Electric Vehicles (LSEVs, with max. speed of up to 60 or 70Km/h) in China which can be driven without the need to possess a driving license.

Dacia Spring EV Is The Perfect Sightseeing Car Because It’s Dead Slow

Quick Specs

• Max. horsepower: 33KW (44hp)
• Max. Torque: 125Nm
• 0 - 50Km/h: 5.8 sec
• 0 - 100Km/h: 19.1 sec
• Top Speed: 125Km/h
• Range: 230 - 305Km
• Charging time: 4.5 - 13+hr (stand charger)
• Weight: 970Kg

Nice find. This vehicle I think if calculated correctly the annual road tax is less than $500

[Jamesc]

On 3/11/2021 at 10:30 PM, Carbon82 said:

Dacia Spring EV Is The Perfect Sightseeing Car Because It’s Dead Slow

Quick Specs

• Max. horsepower: 33KW (44hp)
• Max. Torque: 125Nm
• 0 - 50Km/h: 5.8 sec
• 0 - 100Km/h: 19.1 sec
• Top Speed: 125Km/h
• Range: 230 - 305Km
• Charging time: 4.5 - 13+hr (stand charger)
• Weight: 970Kg

That's not an Dacia

Its my favourite car, its a rebadge Kwid

 

 

[Didu]

Public transport still more sustainable than electric vehicles: Ong

In promoting wider adoption of electric vehicles (EVs) here, Singapore must be careful not to go overboard, Transport Minister Ong Ye Kung said yesterday. 

"You can have EVs that are actually not that environmentally friendly. The very big EVs literally carry a tonne of battery around, so you are burning energy to carry energy around," said Mr Ong. Noting that these batteries have metals that also need to be disposed of, he added that driving an EV does not mean one is contributing to the environment, "just that you are polluting less".

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) will also take over the Energy Market Authority's (EMA) role as regulator of EV charging standards, pending approval from Parliament. While the EMA is more concerned about power supply and reliability, the LTA will look more at market and industry development, Mr Ong said.

"What plugs to use, can you carry your own cable in your car - these are rules that need to be sorted out."

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-transport-still-more-sustainable-than-electric-vehicles-ong

No further detail on what he meant when he says "not to go overboard".   Anyone care to hazard a guess?

[Volvobrick]

LTA takes over charging points? Good luck! Better install your own if living in landed.

[Kklee]

21 minutes ago, Didu said:

Public transport still more sustainable than electric vehicles: Ong

In promoting wider adoption of electric vehicles (EVs) here, Singapore must be careful not to go overboard, Transport Minister Ong Ye Kung said yesterday. 

"You can have EVs that are actually not that environmentally friendly. The very big EVs literally carry a tonne of battery around, so you are burning energy to carry energy around," said Mr Ong. Noting that these batteries have metals that also need to be disposed of, he added that driving an EV does not mean one is contributing to the environment, "just that you are polluting less".

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) will also take over the Energy Market Authority's (EMA) role as regulator of EV charging standards, pending approval from Parliament. While the EMA is more concerned about power supply and reliability, the LTA will look more at market and industry development, Mr Ong said.

"What plugs to use, can you carry your own cable in your car - these are rules that need to be sorted out."

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-transport-still-more-sustainable-than-electric-vehicles-ong

No further detail on what he meant when he says "not to go overboard".   Anyone care to hazard a guess?

IMHO.
EV are environmentally friendly but the EV batteries are not. 

[Atachi]

For ppl driving/looking atXC40 and wants EV

 

[inlinesix]

6 hours ago, Didu said:

Public transport still more sustainable than electric vehicles: Ong

In promoting wider adoption of electric vehicles (EVs) here, Singapore must be careful not to go overboard, Transport Minister Ong Ye Kung said yesterday. 

"You can have EVs that are actually not that environmentally friendly. The very big EVs literally carry a tonne of battery around, so you are burning energy to carry energy around," said Mr Ong. Noting that these batteries have metals that also need to be disposed of, he added that driving an EV does not mean one is contributing to the environment, "just that you are polluting less".

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) will also take over the Energy Market Authority's (EMA) role as regulator of EV charging standards, pending approval from Parliament. While the EMA is more concerned about power supply and reliability, the LTA will look more at market and industry development, Mr Ong said.

"What plugs to use, can you carry your own cable in your car - these are rules that need to be sorted out."

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-transport-still-more-sustainable-than-electric-vehicles-ong

No further detail on what he meant when he says "not to go overboard".   Anyone care to hazard a guess?

 

[Didu]

Want to drive your EV to MY? Read this article

Driving EV during Malaysia road trip could trigger range anxiety; users call for more infrastructure

Mr Koh Jie Meng has driven from Singapore to different parts of Malaysia more than 20 times in his electric Hyundai Kona SUV since he bought the car in 2019. He described the journeys as “smooth and seamless” now, but he acknowledged that this was not always the case during his first few attempts at driving from his home near Yishun to Kuala Lumpur for business meetings. 

“At the start, I had some anxiety because I started driving too fast on the highways. I learnt that you have to watch your speed, travel only at 100 to 110kmh so I can get there easily,” said Mr Koh. He also shared that putting the air conditioner at full blast while being stuck in traffic congestion at the Causeway would also drain the battery fast. Mr Koh outlined that the most important factor in completing the journey safely was planning.

“You need to know your car’s battery range. For my Kona, it is a long-range electric car so I can do a single charge run. This means I can drive straight from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur in one shot without the need to charge along the way,” said Mr Koh. He said: ”One thing that Malaysia doesn’t have is workshops to repair the EVs. So if anything happens, you have to tow it back to Singapore on a flatbed.”

This DC charging station installed at ABB Malaysia's headquarters in Subang Jaya is free to use. (Photo: Koh Jie Meng) 

An AC charging station at IKEA Tebrau in Johor. (Photo: Koh Jie Meng) 

There are only around 300 electric charging points across the country, with most of them concentrated along the west coast and the Klang Valley. "..there are already a pair of 50kW DC chargers in operation in Ayer Keroh Rest Stop, both north and south bound,” said Mr Shahrol. He also noted that most of the hotels in Desaru Coast, a popular beach holiday destination, have charging points for electric cars. “For trips to the east coast like Terengganu and Kuantan (in Pahang), Kelantan, it’s still a bit of a gamble, because there are only a few AC charging stations at some of the hotels in that area. It does require a bit more work, a bit more planning,” said Mr Shahrol.

Shahrol Halmi charging his Tesla S 75 at a DC charging point in Ayer Keroh. It costs RM1.20 per minute to charge the car. (Photo: Shahrol Halmi) 

“In KL, the fast chargers are free to use. Even the chargers at my hotel, near Sunway Lagoon, were free as well,” Lee Hon Sing said. He recalled that he was involved in an accident, when his Kona was rear-ended by a Malaysian vehicle at a traffic light in Johor Bahru. “When it happened, my first immediate thought was I now need to get a flatbed truck to tow it back to Singapore and it’s going to really cost me,” said Mr Lee. He said that his car survived the hit, and only suffered a small dent. Thankfully, he could still drive the car to the police station to make a report and subsequently back to Singapore.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/malaysia-singapore-transport-electric-cars-ev-range-anxiety-14381688

Edited March 14, 2021 by Didu
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[boonhat_91]

On 3/13/2021 at 10:31 AM, Didu said:

Public transport still more sustainable than electric vehicles: Ong

In promoting wider adoption of electric vehicles (EVs) here, Singapore must be careful not to go overboard, Transport Minister Ong Ye Kung said yesterday. 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-transport-still-more-sustainable-than-electric-vehicles-ong

No further detail on what he meant when he says "not to go overboard".   Anyone care to hazard a guess?

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