Electric cars

[Voodooman]

On 10/13/2024 at 7:42 PM, Volvobrick said:

Lust time I had 2 cars whole car aluminum. Doors still very very solid. So solid needed soft close. 

It's the build, not the material. 

My G30 has soft close but the doors feels light relative to old BMW and Mercedes. It is the material lah. 

[Theoldjaffa]

On 10/13/2024 at 8:17 PM, Lala81 said:

my friend changed from bmw 630 to model 3. he say no regret. $500 petrol vs low $100 lol.

 

I also thought about this.

my petrol is about $500. Switch to EV maybe $100.

Save $4800 per year, $48k over 10 years.

But if I sell my car now and buy a 200k EV, I upfront pay 80k more. 

So I scrapped the thought and continue to pollute the world.

[inlinesix]

On 10/14/2024 at 3:38 PM, Lethalstrike said:

Harmonise in which direction? Later LTA bring up existing ICE road tax to EV levels then everyone dies 😁

Of course EV.

Only small turbo engine owner will die.

A45s now pays $1.2k.  If move to EV, they need to pay $4.3k.

On the other hand, small NA engine not much diff.

Jazz now pays $600+.  If move to EV, it is still $600+

 

[inlinesix]

On 10/14/2024 at 4:18 PM, Hubwee said:

Plug in hybrid is pay what kind of RT huh ? Waiting for my 5 series lo .. 

$7,156.

Higher of CC or system power.

[therock]

Interesting read on politics 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/07/05/europe-tariffs-china-electric-cars-evs/

 

[therock]

Another interesting read... and my time in China recently concurs, they prefer to buy Chineses EVs, even at that lux level..

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/vw-bmw-and-mercedes-getting-left-in-the-dust-by-china-s-evs 

[Lala81]

From what some people like Tai choo yee mention, speeding is quite stricly enforced there. Like 110kph is the hard limit for their highways. I only traveled there last in 2004. So I'm not sure how it works. 
But if so, it's like Australia. 

So you really don't need to emphasis handling/cornering at high speeds.  And that's why the suspension setup for all chinese cars are soft. CLTC range is more accurate within china. 
The appeal of german cars is limited there once the brand/quality perception has changed. 

 

Edited October 16, 2024 by Lala81

[inlinesix]

In China, seller needs gimmicky UI to attract buyer.

On the other hand, the rest of the world don't need gimmicky UI.

Just like TB vs AMZ UI.

 

[Tohto]

On 10/16/2024 at 11:56 AM, Lala81 said:

From what some people like Tai choo yee mention, speeding is quite stricly enforced there. Like 110kph is the hard limit for their highways. I only traveled there last in 2004. So I'm not sure how it works. 
But if so, it's like Australia. 

So you really don't need to emphasis handling/cornering at high speeds.  And that's why the suspension setup for all chinese cars are soft. CLTC range is more accurate within china. 
The appeal of german cars is limited there once the brand/quality perception has changed. 

 

Speeding is very street in Shanghai city,  in long distance highway my friend typically drive at around 140km/h+ in their 120km/h highway.  On their their Denza D9 PHEV. Which is very very stable,  powerful, quiet and luxury. 

Edited October 16, 2024 by Tohto

[Voodooman]

On 10/16/2024 at 11:56 AM, Lala81 said:

From what some people like Tai choo yee mention, speeding is quite stricly enforced there. Like 110kph is the hard limit for their highways. I only traveled there last in 2004. So I'm not sure how it works. 
But if so, it's like Australia. 

So you really don't need to emphasis handling/cornering at high speeds.  And that's why the suspension setup for all chinese cars are soft. CLTC range is more accurate within china. 
The appeal of german cars is limited there once the brand/quality perception has changed. 

 

Don't think top speed limit of 110km/h matter to premium car buyers in China or anywhere else. I feel it is the drive, interface, equipment level and pricing that probably drove demand in China.  I prefer the conti drive myself but fact is even I am tempted to buy a Chinese EV next as the gap between the 2 has narrowed so much in recent years (especially after taking into account pricing).  

Still don't understand how Chinese EV companies get around the branding part, the rich Chinese are still buying LV.  How did they change premium branding perception is something I should go read up on (if true, it could also be due to the economy or nationalism).  

 

Edited October 16, 2024 by Voodooman

[inlinesix]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:03 PM, Voodooman said:

Don't think top speed limit of 110km/h matter to premium car buyers in China or anywhere else. I feel it is the drive, interface, equipment level and pricing that probably drove demand in China.  I prefer the conti drive myself but fact is even I am tempted to buy a Chinese EV next as the gap between the 2 has narrowed so much in recent years (especially after taking into account pricing).  

Still don't understand how Chinese EV companies get around the branding part, the rich Chinese are still buying LV.  How did they change premium branding perception is something I should go read up on (if true, it could also be due to the economy or nationalism).  

Real rich in China no longer look at LV.  Rather, Delvaux.

My guess is marginal rich are moving towards local premium/luxury brand.

Real rich still stick with Porsche or RR or Bentley

[Lala81]

On 10/16/2024 at 12:54 PM, Tohto said:

Speeding is very street in Shanghai city,  in long distance highway my friend typically drive at around 140km/h+ in their 120km/h highway.  On their their Denza D9 PHEV. Which is very very stable,  powerful, quiet and luxury. 

Yeah TCY say, use EV mileage to next charge figures, have to see which country you are driving in.
Haha in MY context, driving 130-140kph is common on NSH or other major highways. 

[inlinesix]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:28 PM, Lala81 said:

Yeah TCY say, use EV mileage to next charge figures, have to see which country you are driving in.
Haha in MY context, driving 130-140kph is common on NSH or other major highways. 

You seems to like watching TCY bideo.

Freeder will throw up because of his strong Jiuhu ascent.

😂

[Sdf4786k]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:14 PM, inlinesix said:

 

this will last a few years.. SG knows the trick to having an almost life long rebate ... continue to disbelieve and slowly adopt.

[inlinesix]

On 10/16/2024 at 2:18 PM, Sdf4786k said:

this will last a few years.. SG knows the trick to having an almost life long rebate ... continue to disbelieve and slowly adopt.

With the difference in rebate, it make no sense not to adopt.

 

[Lala81]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:32 PM, inlinesix said:

You seems to like watching TCY bideo.

Freeder will throw up because of his strong Jiuhu ascent.

😂

I've nothing against MY accent. I don't particularly like hearing PRC accent which is ironic since it's the original.

 

[Lethalstrike]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:03 PM, Voodooman said:

Don't think top speed limit of 110km/h matter to premium car buyers in China or anywhere else. I feel it is the drive, interface, equipment level and pricing that probably drove demand in China.  I prefer the conti drive myself but fact is even I am tempted to buy a Chinese EV next as the gap between the 2 has narrowed so much in recent years (especially after taking into account pricing).  

Still don't understand how Chinese EV companies get around the branding part, the rich Chinese are still buying LV.  How did they change premium branding perception is something I should go read up on (if true, it could also be due to the economy or nationalism).  

When they realized the locally assembled German cars via joint ventures have short-changed the Chinese consumers, its not hard to see why the Chinese are more willing to change perceptions and go for their own premium Chinese brands (Denza, Zeekr, NIO, Li Auto etc). Example like E-Class direct import is using aluminium front fenders, but E-Class locally made with joint-venture is using cheaper/heavier steel. But charge same price 😂 

At this point of time, the premium Chinese brands are willing to throw in more tech, standard equipment and costlier materials. Chinese people also not stupid. So its not hard to see why the Germans are losing ground in their biggest and most lucrative market. 

Now Chinese Youtube channels also sibeh big budget. They will buy an actual car from the showroom and do a tear-down. How to hide? 

 

[Sdf4786k]

On 10/16/2024 at 2:26 PM, inlinesix said:

With the difference in rebate, it make no sense not to adopt.

 

It makes no sense to adopt as there is no encouragement nor motivation… once the EV maturity of ownership experience is saturated, there will be a deluge of ICE owners rushing in 

at this point in time .. the campaign by workshop owners are strong. So are ICE owners who regularly commute to JB to get cheap petrol..