Electric cars

[Lethalstrike]

On 2/16/2024 at 3:38 PM, Voodooman said:

Chinese industrial policy at work.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/china-forms-solid-state-battery-consortium-with-catl-byd-nio-calb-and-others/

It will be very interesting to see who comes out on top!

[mersaylee]

How dare you all classic old skool no go electric...😁

Edited February 16, 2024 by mersaylee

[bsswan]

On 2/16/2024 at 1:16 PM, Lala81 said:

my cousin works for an oil major in SG. Recently talked to him at CNY.
He say there are some plans for them to kiv divest Jurong Island facilities if the carbon tax goes through. No point taking the margin hit. 

Real world considerations. 

Didn't Shell already recently say they are going to shut down the refinery on JI after starting their "strategic review" in the middle of last year. They said they are going to concentrate on the chemicals side of the business.

[Volvobrick]

Now we know why EV sales are slowing down in Europe! 

[Vratenza]

On 2/16/2024 at 3:54 PM, Lethalstrike said:

It will be very interesting to see who comes out on top!

That is even more reason for people like me to wait out for the fog of war to lift.... 😋

[Sdf4786k]

MAnual EVs

I Drove Toyota's Manual Transmission For EVs. It's Much More Fun Than You Think (msn.com)

[DOBIEMKZ]

Goodbye to Mercedes electric cars.
They confirm their decision until 2030

by La Grada  02/20/2024 12:31 in Automobiles

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Mercedes-Benz had stated up until a few months ago that the company would need an estimated 40 million euros of investment to go all-electric in 2030. However, the German company recently confirmed that it will continue to sell combustion engines for as long as necessary.

According to Ola Källenius, CEO of Mercedes, perhaps there was too much optimism in the whole industry. As the industry strikes with more realistic results, Mercedes will stick to its cutting-edge combustion engines. Källenius believes the automaker can produce electric and plug-in hybrid cars on the same line as very efficient combustion cars.

This shift in direction is probably the result of several issues, including the expensive development and production costs of electric vehicles, challenges with their driving range, and the dearth of infrastructure for charging them.

Cheaper gas cars over EVs in the United States

The German automaker declared that it would shift its attention to more affordable automobiles and increase the variety of combustion-powered cars in its inventory. According to the company, these two moves might allow it to surpass 300,000 sales in the US this year.

After COVID-19 several automakers started to adopt a margin-focus approach. Due to the limited supply, increasing demand, and frequently near-zero financing rates, producing high-end luxury cars was profitable for numerous brands. These days, that tactic is less successful because both supply and interest rates are rising.

Mercedes allegedly informed dealers in a meeting in January that it will alter its supply mix, putting more of an emphasis on affordable models and less on electric vehicles (EVs), to maintain sales levels. More entry-level vehicles like the GLC will be the first to be ordered.

Mercedes-Benz betting on electric cars where it makes sense

To satisfy American consumers’ demand, it will also increase the manufacturing of combustion and hybrid vehicles. Moreover, Mercedes has notified its US dealers of plans to increase the availability of traditional combustion and hybrid vehicles this year, bringing 25 new and updated models to the market.

This includes expanding the lineup of S-Class and GLE models with plug-in hybrid variants, as well as introducing an electrified GLC crossover by the fall. Despite changing its approach, that doesn’t mean the German automaker will abandon its strategy in terms of electric cars since that would leave aside a great market opportunity.

Analysts seem to have a positive view of this change. According to Ivan Drury, Director of Edmunds Insights, you can only soar to such heights before losing contact with reality, as the past year has demonstrated. If buyers can afford to stick with the brand, entry-level cars give them a taste of what is to come.

Long-term commitment to electrification is uncertain

Although the company acknowledges the long-term potential of electric vehicles (EVs), it currently emphasizes a more flexible approach that puts profitability first and adjusts to the realities of the current market. This raises questions about Mercedes’ plans for electric cars in the future.

Uncertainty and concerns

Mercedes’ move to combustion engines could have a negative environmental impact and run counter to their long-term sustainability objectives. It is still quite difficult to strike a balance between environmental responsibility and profitability.

Although cost-effectiveness could draw in new clients, it is critical to comprehend how this tactic fits with changing consumer demands for environmentally friendly transit choices. The German automaker has not completely given up on electric cars.

However, it is unknown how committed they will be to the technology going forward and when it will be widely adopted, which raises questions about their long-term plans for electrification.

Mercedes’s recent change in direction emphasizes how difficult it will be to provide more environmentally friendly transportation. Long-term success for the company will depend on its capacity to strike a balance between environmental stewardship and economic viability as well as adapt to changing market conditions.

 

[DOBIEMKZ]

Honda and GM have already said goodbye to electric cars: this is how they are preparing their new hydrogen beast

by La Grada  02/22/2024 14:10 in Automobiles

Honda and GM have already said goodbye to electric cars: this is how they are preparing their new hydrogen beast

- The invention that will change the automotive industry forever: this is how you can turn your diesel car into a hybrid

- BMW is ready to say goodbye to electric cars: They are preparing to launch their new hydrogen car

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Together, Honda and General Motors (GM) will be significant players in the research, development, and manufacturing of hydrogen fuel cell cars (HFCVs). Through this collaboration, the technology will be used more quickly and might completely transform the transportation industry.

As part of their collaborative effort to accelerate the advancement and fabrication of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), Honda and GM founded the Fuel Cell System Manufacturing LLC (FCSM), a specialized plant for mass-producing HFC systems for their respective models. 

By combining Honda’s fuel cell technology and GM’s manufacturing expertise, both corporations want to advance hydrogen fuel cell technology, cut expenses, and expand their manufacturing capacities to take advantage of economies of scale. In the long run, this partnership may lead to greater acceptance of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by utilizing the advantages of each company.

Vehicles using hydrogen fuel cells run on an efficient and clean electrochemical method, as opposed to gasoline engines, which depend on combustion. They use hydrogen gas as fuel, and electricity is produced from hydrogen and oxygen through a sequence of events inside the fuel cell stack. Since the only consequence of this process is water vapor, hydrogen fuel cell cars represent a viable, low-emission, environmentally friendly mode of transportation.

Benefits of hydrogen fuel cell (HFC) technology

Transportation without emissions: HFCVs only emit water vapor as a byproduct, making them a more environmentally friendly option than conventional gasoline and electric cars, which depend on the creation of batteries and power.

Extended driving range: HFCVs have driving ranges that are on a level with gasoline-powered automobiles, which may allay worries about the constrained range that is sometimes connected to electric vehicles.

Quick refuel: Refueling a hydrogen car can be faster than charging an electric vehicle, potentially offering more convenience on long trips.

Honda’s new hydrogen vehicle 

The Honda CR-V HFCV is a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle based on the popular Honda CR-V SUV. It has an estimated driving range of around 250 miles on a single fill of hydrogen, which is comparable to many gasoline-powered vehicles.

The 2024 CR-V has a tough exterior with a lengthy wheelbase and broad stance. This hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is equipped with features such as roof rails and a hands-free power tailgate, which make it suitable for a variety of adventures, whether you’re driving across town or the country.

Honda has designed an ideal cabin to explore the country. Thanks to a simple layout and wide sightlines, you will feel right at home as soon as you step in. A roomy cargo area, front seats with body-stabilizing technology, and a Bose premium sound system are among the interior features.

Additionally, there are many advancements in the CR-V, including responsive acceleration in both powertrains and elegant handling with available all-wheel drive (AWD). You can easily connect your smartphone with the available 9-inch touchscreen and wireless Apple CarPlay compatibility.

The CR-V FCEV is an amazing car, but perhaps its only drawback is the availability of hydrogen refueling stations is limited compared to traditional gas stations, which means that it can only be leased in California, where the hydrogen infrastructure is more developed.

The future of Honda and GM partnership 

The association between Honda and GM is a major advancement for HFC technology. Nonetheless, additional work is required to solve issues, build out the hydrogen infrastructure, and increase customer interest in and accessibility of HFC vehicles. 

While HFC technology is promising, challenges including low infrastructure for recharging, high production costs, and consumer range anxiety must be resolved if HFCV is to become more widely used. Therefore, Honda and GM should remain committed to further research and development of HFC technology to improve efficiency, reduce costs, and expand the range of HFCVs.

Furthermore, the joint venture investments between Honda and GM should concentrate on constructing a strong hydrogen refueling infrastructure, since this is essential for maintaining the feasibility and widespread integration of HFC automobiles.

[Kklee]

IMHO.
Like some companies want to be financial institution,   car manufacturers wants to go into energy business. 

 

 

 

[Vratenza]

Just remind everyone that Automotive Makers are not in the business to save the earth, profit for their shareholders is what makes them tick.

Which translate to whichever fuel type can sell the most cars with the largest margin.

[Wt_know]

HDB and Mall car park can install this overhead powerlines

every lot can be EV charging lot and no need to build dedicated upright power charger (costly)  and specific lots for EV (mostly 3-5 lots nia per car park)

no hogging and each lot can be used interchangeably

PRC is the best  
 

 

Edited February 24, 2024 by Wt_know

[limpeh6969]

On 2/24/2024 at 3:43 PM, Wt_know said:

HDB and Mall car park can install this overhead powerlines

every lot can be EV charging lot and no need to build dedicated upright power charger (costly)  and specific lots for EV (mostly 3-5 lots nia per car park)

no hogging and each lot can be used interchangeably

PRC is the best  
 

 

very nice...tiongkok is really more advanced in a lot of things

but limpeh also read somewhere carpark with EV wireless charging...juz park ur EV and activate the charging coils underneath ur car...no need to connect/disconnect cable or anything else...maybe can 顺便 leave your iphone inside the car to get it charged (and hope it doesnt explode) 

 

[limpeh6969]

On 2/23/2024 at 10:54 AM, DOBIEMKZ said:

Honda and GM have already said goodbye to electric cars: this is how they are preparing their new hydrogen beast

by La Grada  02/22/2024 14:10 in Automobiles

Honda and GM have already said goodbye to electric cars: this is how they are preparing their new hydrogen beast

- The invention that will change the automotive industry forever: this is how you can turn your diesel car into a hybrid

- BMW is ready to say goodbye to electric cars: They are preparing to launch their new hydrogen car

- New license plates are coming to the US – This is how they will look from now on

Together, Honda and General Motors (GM) will be significant players in the research, development, and manufacturing of hydrogen fuel cell cars (HFCVs). Through this collaboration, the technology will be used more quickly and might completely transform the transportation industry.

As part of their collaborative effort to accelerate the advancement and fabrication of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), Honda and GM founded the Fuel Cell System Manufacturing LLC (FCSM), a specialized plant for mass-producing HFC systems for their respective models. 

By combining Honda’s fuel cell technology and GM’s manufacturing expertise, both corporations want to advance hydrogen fuel cell technology, cut expenses, and expand their manufacturing capacities to take advantage of economies of scale. In the long run, this partnership may lead to greater acceptance of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by utilizing the advantages of each company.

Vehicles using hydrogen fuel cells run on an efficient and clean electrochemical method, as opposed to gasoline engines, which depend on combustion. They use hydrogen gas as fuel, and electricity is produced from hydrogen and oxygen through a sequence of events inside the fuel cell stack. Since the only consequence of this process is water vapor, hydrogen fuel cell cars represent a viable, low-emission, environmentally friendly mode of transportation.

Benefits of hydrogen fuel cell (HFC) technology

Transportation without emissions: HFCVs only emit water vapor as a byproduct, making them a more environmentally friendly option than conventional gasoline and electric cars, which depend on the creation of batteries and power.

Extended driving range: HFCVs have driving ranges that are on a level with gasoline-powered automobiles, which may allay worries about the constrained range that is sometimes connected to electric vehicles.

Quick refuel: Refueling a hydrogen car can be faster than charging an electric vehicle, potentially offering more convenience on long trips.

Honda’s new hydrogen vehicle 

The Honda CR-V HFCV is a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle based on the popular Honda CR-V SUV. It has an estimated driving range of around 250 miles on a single fill of hydrogen, which is comparable to many gasoline-powered vehicles.

The 2024 CR-V has a tough exterior with a lengthy wheelbase and broad stance. This hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is equipped with features such as roof rails and a hands-free power tailgate, which make it suitable for a variety of adventures, whether you’re driving across town or the country.

Honda has designed an ideal cabin to explore the country. Thanks to a simple layout and wide sightlines, you will feel right at home as soon as you step in. A roomy cargo area, front seats with body-stabilizing technology, and a Bose premium sound system are among the interior features.

Additionally, there are many advancements in the CR-V, including responsive acceleration in both powertrains and elegant handling with available all-wheel drive (AWD). You can easily connect your smartphone with the available 9-inch touchscreen and wireless Apple CarPlay compatibility.

The CR-V FCEV is an amazing car, but perhaps its only drawback is the availability of hydrogen refueling stations is limited compared to traditional gas stations, which means that it can only be leased in California, where the hydrogen infrastructure is more developed.

The future of Honda and GM partnership 

The association between Honda and GM is a major advancement for HFC technology. Nonetheless, additional work is required to solve issues, build out the hydrogen infrastructure, and increase customer interest in and accessibility of HFC vehicles. 

While HFC technology is promising, challenges including low infrastructure for recharging, high production costs, and consumer range anxiety must be resolved if HFCV is to become more widely used. Therefore, Honda and GM should remain committed to further research and development of HFC technology to improve efficiency, reduce costs, and expand the range of HFCVs.

Furthermore, the joint venture investments between Honda and GM should concentrate on constructing a strong hydrogen refueling infrastructure, since this is essential for maintaining the feasibility and widespread integration of HFC automobiles.

i think i will love hydrogen car, but looks like the production cost is still high atm. and the price also fluctuates a lot.

https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/analysis-it-is-now-almost-14-times-more-expensive-to-drive-a-toyota-hydrogen-car-in-california-than-a-comparable-tesla-ev/2-1-1519315

this article is fairly recent. can't imagine the feeling of those drivers. 

 

[Beanoyip]

So our garment will pivot away from EVs?

[Vratenza]

On 2/28/2024 at 11:56 AM, Beanoyip said:

So our garment will pivot away from EVs?

not sure...but one thing is for sure...it will pivot towards where the money is.

[Voodooman]

On 2/23/2024 at 10:54 AM, DOBIEMKZ said:

Honda and GM have already said goodbye to electric cars: this is how they are preparing their new hydrogen beast

by La Grada  02/22/2024 14:10 in Automobiles

Honda and GM have already said goodbye to electric cars: this is how they are preparing their new hydrogen beast

- The invention that will change the automotive industry forever: this is how you can turn your diesel car into a hybrid

- BMW is ready to say goodbye to electric cars: They are preparing to launch their new hydrogen car

- New license plates are coming to the US – This is how they will look from now on

Together, Honda and General Motors (GM) will be significant players in the research, development, and manufacturing of hydrogen fuel cell cars (HFCVs). Through this collaboration, the technology will be used more quickly and might completely transform the transportation industry.

As part of their collaborative effort to accelerate the advancement and fabrication of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), Honda and GM founded the Fuel Cell System Manufacturing LLC (FCSM), a specialized plant for mass-producing HFC systems for their respective models. 

By combining Honda’s fuel cell technology and GM’s manufacturing expertise, both corporations want to advance hydrogen fuel cell technology, cut expenses, and expand their manufacturing capacities to take advantage of economies of scale. In the long run, this partnership may lead to greater acceptance of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by utilizing the advantages of each company.

Vehicles using hydrogen fuel cells run on an efficient and clean electrochemical method, as opposed to gasoline engines, which depend on combustion. They use hydrogen gas as fuel, and electricity is produced from hydrogen and oxygen through a sequence of events inside the fuel cell stack. Since the only consequence of this process is water vapor, hydrogen fuel cell cars represent a viable, low-emission, environmentally friendly mode of transportation.

Benefits of hydrogen fuel cell (HFC) technology

Transportation without emissions: HFCVs only emit water vapor as a byproduct, making them a more environmentally friendly option than conventional gasoline and electric cars, which depend on the creation of batteries and power.

Extended driving range: HFCVs have driving ranges that are on a level with gasoline-powered automobiles, which may allay worries about the constrained range that is sometimes connected to electric vehicles.

Quick refuel: Refueling a hydrogen car can be faster than charging an electric vehicle, potentially offering more convenience on long trips.

Honda’s new hydrogen vehicle 

The Honda CR-V HFCV is a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle based on the popular Honda CR-V SUV. It has an estimated driving range of around 250 miles on a single fill of hydrogen, which is comparable to many gasoline-powered vehicles.

The 2024 CR-V has a tough exterior with a lengthy wheelbase and broad stance. This hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is equipped with features such as roof rails and a hands-free power tailgate, which make it suitable for a variety of adventures, whether you’re driving across town or the country.

Honda has designed an ideal cabin to explore the country. Thanks to a simple layout and wide sightlines, you will feel right at home as soon as you step in. A roomy cargo area, front seats with body-stabilizing technology, and a Bose premium sound system are among the interior features.

Additionally, there are many advancements in the CR-V, including responsive acceleration in both powertrains and elegant handling with available all-wheel drive (AWD). You can easily connect your smartphone with the available 9-inch touchscreen and wireless Apple CarPlay compatibility.

The CR-V FCEV is an amazing car, but perhaps its only drawback is the availability of hydrogen refueling stations is limited compared to traditional gas stations, which means that it can only be leased in California, where the hydrogen infrastructure is more developed.

The future of Honda and GM partnership 

The association between Honda and GM is a major advancement for HFC technology. Nonetheless, additional work is required to solve issues, build out the hydrogen infrastructure, and increase customer interest in and accessibility of HFC vehicles. 

While HFC technology is promising, challenges including low infrastructure for recharging, high production costs, and consumer range anxiety must be resolved if HFCV is to become more widely used. Therefore, Honda and GM should remain committed to further research and development of HFC technology to improve efficiency, reduce costs, and expand the range of HFCVs.

Furthermore, the joint venture investments between Honda and GM should concentrate on constructing a strong hydrogen refueling infrastructure, since this is essential for maintaining the feasibility and widespread integration of HFC automobiles.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-says-064504682.html

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says protectionism is the only thing stopping China’s cheap EVs from demolishing the competition

I am sure the European and Japanese car manufacturers are all lobbying their respective govt to slow down the adoption of EVs.  

With brown hydrogen (extracted from natural gas) costing 4-8x more due largely to hydrogen loss ratio of >60%, will be interesting to see how this goes. My guess is protectionism will be back in full force. How the free trade narrative has changed from 10 years ago when the angmos are leaders in auto technology. 

[Vratenza]

On 2/28/2024 at 1:38 PM, Voodooman said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-says-064504682.html

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says protectionism is the only thing stopping China’s cheap EVs from demolishing the competition

I am sure the European and Japanese car manufacturers are all lobbying their respective govt to slow down the adoption of EVs.  

With brown hydrogen (extracted from natural gas) costing 4-8x more due largely to hydrogen loss ratio of >60%, will be interesting to see how this goes. My guess is protectionism will be back in full force. How the free trade narrative has changed from 10 years ago when the angmos are leaders in auto technology. 

Free trade is only for countries that has differenf competitive advantage over each other.... In USA/European countries case... 😅

[inlinesix]