Electric cars

[Voodooman]

On 12/15/2023 at 8:20 PM, Stratovarius said:

Saw this video this morning. V educational as it shows the complexity of ev battery. I don't think there is anyway to determine if those cells are damaged from the outside so the simplest way is to write off the vehicle to avoid liability.

I thought it is just the Canadian dealer taking the easy way out that led to the write off? 

Reading the BMW's hybrid story by another forumer on battery degradation, ie. dealer unwilling to honor the warranty, it looks like all issues relating to battery warranties and replacement will take a while to sort out.

 

[Voodooman]

On 12/16/2023 at 5:18 AM, Sdf4786k said:

Yeah .. else the volatiles of the batteries and any incidental event can point to a larger liability may be a worst outcome.

but that’s just my guess .. 

I thought it is strange that you built an EV whereby the battery IS the car and you void the warranty when the battery cover is damaged.  It is like selling an ICE car but warranty is void if engine bay is violated in an accident.  Knn... What logic is that?

[Stratovarius]

On 12/16/2023 at 11:43 AM, Voodooman said:

I thought it is just the Canadian dealer taking the easy way out that led to the write off? 

Reading the BMW's hybrid story by another forumer on battery degradation, ie. dealer unwilling to honor the warranty, it looks like all issues relating to battery warranties and replacement will take a while to sort out.

 

That's just my guess. But imagine who would tear down the whole car to see if there is any physical damage to the thousands of battery cells? And even it there is no physical damage, one will not know if the batteries are compromised internally. 

If they are charging the change of battery as much as the car, it's just telling the customer that they don't want to do. Reason might be capability or liability.

[Sdf4786k]

On 12/16/2023 at 11:47 AM, Voodooman said:

I thought it is strange that you built an EV whereby the battery IS the car and you void the warranty when the battery cover is damaged.  It is like selling an ICE car but warranty is void if engine bay is violated in an accident.  Knn... What logic is that?

U can only build a car with sufficient risk mitigation before it becomes an expensive monstrosity that no one can afford or build at a price point of affordably.

you cant possibly build a cage do tough that only a tank can break open for repair 

[Beanoyip]

Hi all,

Those of you who live in condos with EV chargers, do you need to pay for the charging?

[Lethalstrike]

On 11/19/2023 at 6:49 PM, Voodooman said:

Just wondering if EV is same as smartphone business.  

Theoretically, you can also design a phone and buy everything off the shelf but i don't think it is so simple.   At least apple still design the chip in the iphone and controls the manufacturing process (using contractors like foxconn). 

What about batteries? Tesla is buying battery cells from both BYD and CATL but it also has its own battery technology.

I just came back from Hangzhou. EV business in China is exactly the same as selling a smartphone. Huawei's Luxeed S7 sedan is sold in Huawei store, side by side their smartphones (in the background). Not uncommon to see the more premium Chinese EV makers such as Nio, Li Auto, Tesla, Zeekr stores in shopping malls. 

 

[RadX]

Another use for EVs😂

[Volvobrick]

On 12/20/2023 at 1:29 PM, Lethalstrike said:

I just came back from Hangzhou. EV business in China is exactly the same as selling a smartphone. Huawei's Luxeed S7 sedan is sold in Huawei store, side by side their smartphones (in the background). Not uncommon to see the more premium Chinese EV makers such as Nio, Li Auto, Tesla, Zeekr stores in shopping malls. 

 

Not just shopping malls. Also pop up stalls at pasar malam aka festive markets. Saw one such pop-up tent next to 静安寺 yesterday.

 

[Beanoyip]

EV owners here, how much are you paying to charge? 

I saw some chargers 70c/kWh, that seems crazily expensive.

[RadX]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:10 AM, Beanoyip said:

EV owners here, how much are you paying to charge? 

I saw some chargers 70c/kWh, that seems crazily expensive.

depends whr u go.  Mine cheapest is $0.35 per kw/h in AC.

 

Cheapest DC i have used is $0.586 per kw/h. Image below are the variants

 

[Beanoyip]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:23 AM, RadX said:

depends whr u go.  Mine cheapest is $0.35 per kw/h in AC.

 

Cheapest DC i have used is $0.586 per kw/h. Image below are the variants

 

Oh yea, I just happened to check on plugshare and the nearest one was 70c, but most places i checked were 45-60c.. for DC

[inlinesix]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:41 AM, Beanoyip said:

Oh yea, I just happened to check on plugshare and the nearest one was 70c, but most places i checked were 45-60c.. for DC

It is about there.

Nowadays, we got 100kwh DC charger (finally)

[Beanoyip]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:45 AM, inlinesix said:

It is about there.

Nowadays, we got 100kwh DC charger (finally)

Why don't have those 350kwh kind yet? Will shorten the time required to charge, should be the requirement when more and more EVs come onboard.

[inlinesix]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:59 AM, Beanoyip said:

Why don't have those 350kwh kind yet? Will shorten the time required to charge, should be the requirement when more and more EVs come onboard.

I think the priority is towards more AC.

Maybe 350kwh has safety concerns within enclosed area.

 

[Mockngbrd]

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[Sdf4786k]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:18 PM, Mockngbrd said:

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Only 2024 then can visit. They stop allowing walk ins

 

[bsswan]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:23 AM, RadX said:

depends whr u go.  Mine cheapest is $0.35 per kw/h in AC.

 

Cheapest DC i have used is $0.586 per kw/h. Image below are the variants

 

Means something like$150-200 for 400kms?

[Kennethoka]

@bsswan means $2x to $3x for 400km