Electric cars

[Kennethoka]

Good news for those who wants to buy EV. No need to rush can wait and see the COE liao

EV early adoption scheme extended till 2025 but with lower maximum rebate in 2024

[inlinesix]

 

[Ginyu]

On 9/20/2023 at 4:23 PM, Kennethoka said:

Tesla treat SG like carrot head.

Tesla selling Model 3 (Highlander - New Model) for RM189K in MY but for SG, they are still selling to us the old Model 3. Like clearing stock somemore at higher price than MY.

Who wants to buy those old stock when highlander are already out. Furthermore highlander more swee. So Is either they leave the old  stock to collect dust or sell at a loss🤣

Edited September 26, 2023 by Ginyu

[13177]

On 9/26/2023 at 8:53 AM, Ginyu said:

Who wants to buy those old stock when highlander are already out. Furthermore more swee. Is either they leave the existing  stock to collect dust or sell at a loss🤣

Still have people buy those old stock la. People in sg have too much money to throw and cannot live without a car. Old or new stock doesn't matter.

[Ginyu]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:01 AM, 13177 said:

Still have people buy those old stock la. People in sg have too much money to throw and cannot live without a car. Old or new stock doesn't matter.

People in sg got more in debt than those with too much money la. Look at the increasing number of phv. If got money, even no job also can survive🤣

[Fitmugen]

@Felizawessex I owned a Citroen e-berlingo before. Would not recommend because no keyless entry. The plastic smell is also very strong even after 6 months of usage.

BYD T3 has better battery warranty I think

[Hamburger]

 T3 is seriously ugly with looks from the 80's. Tall and narrow boxy design.

[inlinesix]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:46 AM, Hamburger said:

 T3 is seriously ugly with looks from the 80's. Tall and narrow boxy design.

What you describe could be Y.

Model 3 Highland looks much better.  But ole ppl don't like no button

Can always get S3XY button if want button.

[shuigao]

On 9/20/2023 at 4:23 PM, Kennethoka said:

Tesla treat SG like carrot head.

Tesla selling Model 3 (Highlander - New Model) for RM189K in MY but for SG, they are still selling to us the old Model 3. Like clearing stock somemore at higher price than MY.

Malaysia EV incentives are crazy high, it's 0% tax for now. Not like our 3k discount (10k nett ARF discount offset by 7k extra road tax via AFC)

[Kennethoka]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:23 PM, shuigao said:

Malaysia EV incentives are crazy high, it's 0% tax for now. Not like our 3k discount (10k nett ARF discount offset by 7k extra road tax via AFC)

Actually what I comparing is purely the car price exclude ARF, incentive and COE for Singapore and exclude incentive for Malaysia  and all price converted to US dollar.

 

SG : SGD$79,550 = USD$58,189

MY: MYR$189,000 = USD$40,298

For Singapore price is higher and get the older model

 

Tesla in MY is cost around BYD Atto 3 and much cheaper than Hyundai Ioniq 5

Edited September 26, 2023 by Kennethoka

[shuigao]

On 9/26/2023 at 8:02 PM, Kennethoka said:

Actually what I comparing is purely the car price exclude ARF, incentive and COE for Singapore and exclude incentive for Malaysia  and all price converted to US dollar.

SG : SGD$79,550 = USD$58,189

MY: MYR$189,000 = USD$40,298

For Singapore price is higher and get the older model

Tesla in MY is cost around BYD Atto 3 and much cheaper than Hyundai Ioniq 5

Ah OK. Tesla in MY will probably have some additional incentives on the company side that allows them to price lower than others, though, since it was the M'sian govt who went to court/encourage them to set up their regional HQ there. 

[Datsun366]

From a practical Malaysian perspective,

1. The entire purpose of obtaining a car is utilitarian with minimum fuss.

2. Its to improve the quality of life.

3. Most Malaysians live on landed property, hence theoritically should be receptive to EV adoption re charging.

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The need for persuasion response is due to range anxiety, assessment that new technology is unreliable/immature, the budget mechanic unable to manage. And generally increase extra problems in usage.

Which defeats the purpose of owning a car. 

These are the dark ages of ev we are at.

Imagine when there were no gas stations with easy mechanic access back in the day of horses. Grass/fuel everywhere. From green energy to increased pollution? 

Combustion engines were for the rich and/or the zany.

That is earthy Malaysian logic.

How long before the Model T Ford became popular, what infrastructure and consumer thinking was required?

Its correct to hesitate, even in WW2 the Germans were still using horse drawn transport. And the Japanese bicycles in their endeavor to achieve world domination.

Its all about the politics of energy.

 

[t0y0ta]

On 9/27/2023 at 10:57 AM, Datsun366 said:

From a practical Malaysian perspective,

1. The entire purpose of obtaining a car is utilitarian with minimum fuss.

2. Its to improve the quality of life.

3. Most Malaysians live on landed property, hence theoritically should be receptive to EV adoption re charging.

 

 

Malaysians very frequently do long trips on highways cross state. Not for fun but for work and family. So they are very cautious on range-challenged EVs with limited/long charging required.

Also note that their petrol is cheap with subsidies and cars (even taxed ICE cars) are very affordable. Most ppl don't see the need to take risk on EV now.

[Sdf4786k]

Yeah .. u don’t want to be early adopter and become the villiage idiot if the take up rate does not evolve to mass adoptable 

[Sdf4786k]

Yeah .. u don’t want to be early adopter and become the villiage idiot if the take up rate does not evolve to mass adoptable 

[inlinesix]

On 9/27/2023 at 4:28 PM, Sdf4786k said:

Yeah .. u don’t want to be early adopter and become the villiage idiot if the take up rate does not evolve to mass adoptable 

That applies to Hydrogen fuel cell.

[Voodooman]

From semicon chips to EV, it is really about simi “national” interest and money lah. Free trade is pretty dead when it no longer serves one's interest.

With 25% tariff on China EV imports in US and 10% in Europe, likely to be revised upwards post EU investigation, China domination of global EV market can only get tougher. 

Will we hear more and more about subsidies, unfair competition and unclean and unsustainable mining/ refining of EV materials and stolen technology (lesser extent for EV)) till the US catches up? Or when hydrogen becomes competitive enough to leapfrog EV technology?

Small inefficient ICE vs hyper efficient power plants, it is a no brainer. Issue is always infrastructure, which is not insurmountable.  Already proven in Norway, China and many European countries.

This is never about the saving planet earth but protecting industries and jobs in big auto markets like EU, US and China. 

Why noone talks about taxing  cattle farming which is not prevalent in developing countries but produces so much methane?

Good read. 
Why China Dominates EV Supply Chain as EU, US Try to Catch Up in Batteries
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-breaking-china-ev-supply-chain-dominance/?ai=eyJpc1N1YnNjcmliZWQiOmZhbHNlLCJhcnRpY2xlUmVhZCI6ZmFsc2UsImFydGljbGVDb3VudCI6MCwid2FsbEhlaWdodCI6MX0=

[Voodooman]

Double post

Edited September 27, 2023 by Voodooman