How Do You Sell a Car That Has Undergo Accident?

[Elmo]

Anyway for those who are interested, there are indeed WS that is able to restore your car back in event of a major accident. Even if its declared total lost by insurance.

 

Its only due to cost thats why its not worth repairing, not because it cannot be repaired.

 

For my problem, its due to my chassis misalignment. I didn't look hard enough but now found a WS in Ubi that specialise in chassis alignment and even does welding of entire chassis (done only to racing cars cause they need chassis to be really rigid). Now my car CAN be restored to even better than original.

 

Well, me didn't expect such welding services to be available in SG. Thought only oversea does that.

 

Congrats on finding that WS. Don't be too optimistic about it being better than original. Not knowing which points of the chassis were misaligned and subsequently to be aligned by your WS, there is a possibility that it can be over-engineered, as in made too stiff at points where it should crumple.

But if your WS has experience in preparing race cars, then probably you have found a viable solution.

[Escksu]

Congrats on finding that WS. Don't be too optimistic about it being better than original. Not knowing which points of the chassis were misaligned and subsequently to be aligned by your WS, there is a possibility that it can be over-engineered, as in made too stiff at points where it should crumple.

But if your WS has experience in preparing race cars, then probably you have found a viable solution.

 

Actually, I do not want any crumble zones. I want the chassis to be as stiff as possible to have good handling. Thus I want the car to be over engineered just like race/rally cars. Even stiffer than the stock car with crappy spot welding.

 

The only downside is that they need 2 weeks to fully weld up the car......

[1fast1]

Actually, I do not want any crumble zones. I want the chassis to be as stiff as possible to have good handling. Thus I want the car to be over engineered just like race/rally cars. Even stiffer than the stock car with crappy spot welding.

 

The only downside is that they need 2 weeks to fully weld up the car......

 

Now you really have started talking rubbish, no offence. A road car is very different from a dedicated race car. A road car needs the crumple zones because you have nothing else to protect the driver and passengers. No helmets, no roll cages, no harness, no HANS device, nothing. A racing or dedicated track car has all of those things. It's also different from a road car in having a stripped down interior, a built-in fire extinguisher, etc. A crash or rollover in a racing car is a completely different proposition from that in a road car.

 

You really should watch that 5th gear video that FastFive embedded.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Turboflat4

[Skyiet27]

Interesting ts

 

Dun even know what u talking urself

 

Jus trying to be funny

 

I wasted 2 yellows on pple like u

 

So now not gng to waste again

 

Happy can Liao

 

Jus know that u r one lousy driver n one lousy mcf members

 

Even those with yellows think n talk with sense

 

 

Peace

[Elmo]

Actually, I do not want any crumble zones. I want the chassis to be as stiff as possible to have good handling. Thus I want the car to be over engineered just like race/rally cars. Even stiffer than the stock car with crappy spot welding.

 

The only downside is that they need 2 weeks to fully weld up the car......

 

That will be great if you are tracking with the car. Having a stiff chassis does not equate good handling but it does make the car more sensitive to handling setups. e.g. The effects of a slight change in spring rate or damper stiffness can be felt immediately.

Race/rally cars reinforce or make their car stiff more for ease of handling tuning than protection. For full protection, you will probably need roll-cages!

 

If you are just touching up the misaligned points then probably you won't feel anything different. If you are doing full chassis reinforcement, you will probably need to change your suspension to compensate for your car's "tightness".

[Escksu]

Now you really have started talking rubbish, no offence. A road car is very different from a dedicated race car. A road car needs the crumple zones because you have nothing else to protect the driver and passengers. No helmets, no roll cages, no harness, no HANS device, nothing. A racing or dedicated track car has all of those things. It's also different from a road car in having a stripped down interior, a built-in fire extinguisher, etc. A crash or rollover in a racing car is a completely different proposition from that in a road car.

 

You really should watch that 5th gear video that FastFive embedded.

 

OK, how about cars w/o crumble zones?? Many old cars are not built that way though. How come pple still driving them today?

 

Don't forget that we don't see that many old cars on SG roads due to COE and hefty road tax. But in other parts of the world, there are many many old cars that don't even have air bags and don't meet any safety standards.

 

Btw, how many VW beetles are there in the world today??

 

So, its not a bad thing to have improved safety features like air bags, crumble zones etc.... But its NOT A MUST.....

 

 

 

 

[Escksu]

Interesting ts

 

Dun even know what u talking urself

 

Jus trying to be funny

 

I wasted 2 yellows on pple like u

 

So now not gng to waste again

 

Happy can Liao

 

Jus know that u r one lousy driver n one lousy mcf members

 

Even those with yellows think n talk with sense

 

 

Peace

 

OK, have fun racking up yellows.

 

[Escksu]

That will be great if you are tracking with the car. Having a stiff chassis does not equate good handling but it does make the car more sensitive to handling setups. e.g. The effects of a slight change in spring rate or damper stiffness can be felt immediately.

Race/rally cars reinforce or make their car stiff more for ease of handling tuning than protection. For full protection, you will probably need roll-cages!

 

If you are just touching up the misaligned points then probably you won't feel anything different. If you are doing full chassis reinforcement, you will probably need to change your suspension to compensate for your car's "tightness".

 

Yes, roll cages....I am now trying to make some form of roll cage to further stiffen up the chassis but hide in under the carpet and trimmings so its not visible. My friend's car has a roll cage already but its too obvious. Not something I want....

 

Suspension, engine upgrades etc all prepared but all delayed due to the chassis..... Hopefully everything can be finished within the next few months.

[1fast1]

OK, how about cars w/o crumble zones?? Many old cars are not built that way though. How come pple still driving them today?

 

Don't forget that we don't see that many old cars on SG roads due to COE and hefty road tax. But in other parts of the world, there are many many old cars that don't even have air bags and don't meet any safety standards.

 

Btw, how many VW beetles are there in the world today??

 

So, its not a bad thing to have improved safety features like air bags, crumble zones etc.... But its NOT A MUST.....

 

That was then, this is now. Old cars may have got through on a more lax standard, but why would you expect the same to be acceptable now?

 

It's "crumple", not "crumble". It's a car, not a chocolate chip cookie, for Pete's sake.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Turboflat4

[Elmo]

Yes, roll cages....I am now trying to make some form of roll cage to further stiffen up the chassis but hide in under the carpet and trimmings so its not visible. My friend's car has a roll cage already but its too obvious. Not something I want....

 

Suspension, engine upgrades etc all prepared but all delayed due to the chassis..... Hopefully everything can be finished within the next few months.

 

Yeah....chassis must be fully done up before everything else. You may also want to research on reinforcing the cross-member though I seldom see people do it. Roll-cages are illegal (I thought) unless you mean those that you only put on, when going for track. But the points or joints will still be visible, and I think they offer protection more than handling prowess.

Those that hide under carpet will probably function more like a stiffened cross-member so probably worth a look if you are going that route.

There are also those that is in the boot behind your back seats. Not ARBs but subframe reinforcement kits.

 

Take a look at this link....probably can find 1 that is similar to your car-model and drive-train.

Chassis Reinforcement

[Escksu]

Yeah....chassis must be fully done up before everything else. You may also want to research on reinforcing the cross-member though I seldom see people do it. Roll-cages are illegal (I thought) unless you mean those that you only put on, when going for track. But the points or joints will still be visible, and I think they offer protection more than handling prowess.

Those that hide under carpet will probably function more like a stiffened cross-member so probably worth a look if you are going that route.

There are also those that is in the boot behind your back seats. Not ARBs but subframe reinforcement kits.

 

Take a look at this link....probably can find 1 that is similar to your car-model and drive-train.

Chassis Reinforcement

 

Cool!! Thanks for the link.

[Escksu]

Yeah....chassis must be fully done up before everything else. You may also want to research on reinforcing the cross-member though I seldom see people do it. Roll-cages are illegal (I thought) unless you mean those that you only put on, when going for track. But the points or joints will still be visible, and I think they offer protection more than handling prowess.

Those that hide under carpet will probably function more like a stiffened cross-member so probably worth a look if you are going that route.

There are also those that is in the boot behind your back seats. Not ARBs but subframe reinforcement kits.

 

Take a look at this link....probably can find 1 that is similar to your car-model and drive-train.

Chassis Reinforcement

 

Yes, I am looking at something like bars that can hide beneath the carpet as well as doing a bar that goes up the B pillar and across the roof. Of course, its not as effective compared to a full roll cage but if it could stiffen up the chassis and its not too heavy then its ok.

 

Cause I need to shed quite a far bit of weight from my car. Going to get it to below 1000KG. Then it will be really good for track and daily drive!

[Escksu]

That was then, this is now. Old cars may have got through on a more lax standard, but why would you expect the same to be acceptable now?

 

It's "crumple", not "crumble". It's a car, not a chocolate chip cookie, for Pete's sake.

 

Not everyone buy a car because of its safety. You may be one of them but it doesn't mean everyone else in this world thinks like you. And its definitely not the case as many old cars are still being sold today. The VW Beetle is one hack of a popular car. Pple still buy it (even in bad condition), spend $$$ to restore it and drive it on the roads. I am dead sure that its nowhere near today's car in terms of safety.

[Elmo]

Yes, I am looking at something like bars that can hide beneath the carpet as well as doing a bar that goes up the B pillar and across the roof. Of course, its not as effective compared to a full roll cage but if it could stiffen up the chassis and its not too heavy then its ok.

 

Cause I need to shed quite a far bit of weight from my car. Going to get it to below 1000KG. Then it will be really good for track and daily drive!

 

Below 1 ton....hope you are driving a Civic else in most TC cars, you will probably have to rid your ICE, aircon and rear seats to achieve that in compensation for your chassis reinforcement stuff. Else you will have to cut weight from your exhaust setup and engine components which costs lots of $$$$$$.

 

I would personally cut-weight from exhaust system, get a light-weight aftermarket setup....easier to sell off next time too.

[Escksu]

Below 1 ton....hope you are driving a Civic else in most TC cars, you will probably have to rid your ICE, aircon and rear seats to achieve that in compensation for your chassis reinforcement stuff. Else you will have to cut weight from your exhaust setup and engine components which costs lots of $$$$$$.

 

I would personally cut-weight from exhaust system, get a light-weight aftermarket setup....easier to sell off next time too.

 

Nope, mine is NA car. I intend to make a high revving NA car. Perhaps about 160HP for the engine but keep weight as low as possible. I found WS that could make fiberglass doors for me. That why help me to remove quite a lot of weight. CF bonnet found. Trunk also found. Now is the glass windows.... Trying to find light weight plexi glass ones. But I don't think plexi glass is LTA friendly..... hmm.......

 

As for seats, I intend to keep the rear seats to make it look like a street car (maybe try to find some lightweight cushion for the seats. Current ones very heavy. But trunk will be stripped clean.

 

Exhaust already replaced with lightweight (ok no so light stainless steel ones) but still lighter compared to stock. Going to replace intake manifold next month with a lighter version as well.

 

My cheapo car dashboard already made of plastic so don't think CF will help at all. Center console gone as well.

 

Oh yar..... ICE..... Forget to take out.

 

Engine components.... I think too expensive other than flywheel. I am already changing my pistons to make it higher comp and rev better.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Escksu

[Keithchue]

i bought one, the feeling sucks...so better not sell it off..

 

well then again...it depends the extend of the accident, cosmetic touchups are ok. nothing to affect the running gear i suppose

[Keithchue]

bro, just curious, with all the enhancements, how much have you spent?

[Escksu]

bro, just curious, with all the enhancements, how much have you spent?

 

No idea..... lost count already.......

 

One final thing left is to take it to the track........Aim is to beat a Civic....lol.....