Happily1986 5th Gear June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 (edited) When the Blackbird first flew, nothing in the soviet arsenal can reach that kinda altitude.. even the Mig-25, which was the fastest interceptor in the Soviet's arsenal is no match for the 71.. Not surprisingly, the SOP for missile avoidance is to simply accelerate.. not anymore. missiles propelled by ramjets can also reach that speed. so it will be a case of pilot reaction time, accuracy of missile thrust vectoring and most importantly luck. Also, it is a matter of time before scramjet will come into use i feel. scramjets can reach mach 7. Edited June 22, 2012 by Happily1986 ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-LOVE-CARS 1st Gear June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 Anyway side track abit, thinking of getting this model, any bros here think is worth getting? The size is 37" long x 12 tall x 10.5 wide Cost: 2,300 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrosszero Turbocharged June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 The pace of arms races has slowed down considerably. During WW2, planes were taken from drawing board to full production in months, on the other hand, planes nowadays take decades to go from first prototype flight to first squadron delivery! In any case, fans of rifled weapons can weep - with the proliferation of the Rheinmetall smoothbore 120mm gun and ammunition, the Challenger 2's rifled 120mm's days are numbered...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altivo 3rd Gear June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 You know how the SR-71 evade a missile? At Max speed of Mach3.5 It simply outflys it... I only know that the Blackbird leaks oil when it is on the ground and there is a reason behind it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocus Turbocharged June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 not anymore. missiles propelled by ramjets can also reach that speed. so it will be a case of pilot reaction time, accuracy of missile thrust vectoring and most importantly luck. Also, it is a matter of time before scramjet will come into use i feel. scramjets can reach mach 7. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought ramjet must reach orbit altitude else they risk burnout? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocus Turbocharged June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 Anyway side track abit, thinking of getting this model, any bros here think is worth getting? The size is 37" long x 12 tall x 10.5 wide Cost: 2,300 Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you think is worth then it's worth. For me, 2.3k is too much for me to throw on this....but that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relagsingh 4th Gear June 22, 2012 Share June 22, 2012 Anyway side track abit, thinking of getting this model, any bros here think is worth getting? The size is 37" long x 12 tall x 10.5 wide Cost: 2,300 Get one that u can built on your own. Cheaper, more satisfying and u'll take good care of it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 You are mistaking accuracy achieved with damage caused. Spinning (accuracy) and thumbling (damage) are not the same. rifling creates shot accuracy. tumbling maximises impact damage through energy transfer. The small entry hole is caused by a straight flying bullet. The big internal cavity and exit is caused by the tumbling. Without thumbling, the shot may just pass through cleanly (wasted energy). For the same reason, a bullet that hits while sideways will be more damaging than one that hits point on becauses of better energy transfer to target. i have reviewed two papers on terminal ballistics and wound ballistics. i noted that my initial comment that rifling or spinning of a round cause mechanical damage to be incorrect. spinning is mainly for stabilisation of the projectile in motion, partly to keep the projectile on its intended path of travel,notwithstanding air resistance and also to ensure that the round travel tip first to preserve as much as its momentum enroute to target. In order to result in swift mortal death of a human beings, it is important to transfer as much of the acquired KE to the person on impact. i noted that you were correct in that regard. However, scrutinising the terminology used i realised that you may have misquoted tumbling. As much as it has been agreed that maximum KE has to be transferred to the human target on impact i.e. by increasing surface area somehow, tumbling is actually a phenomenon that is undesirable. What is desirable is to see the rifle round spin at hypersonic speeds to the target and only upon impact yaw to transfer damage. maximum damage is dealt only when yaw is 90 degrees. it is needless to mention that the velocity of the round should be high to achieve the maximum transfer of energy. tumbling on the other hand means that upon leaving the barrel, the round already yaw at an angle probably due to imperfections in barrel or debris. Basically the round is losing KE at a horrendous rate throughout flight. You dont want that because whats left to transfer in terms of damage onto the target is now a diminished fraction. And not to mention that the tumbling causes the impact area to be off, depending on fast tumbling occurs. The faster tumbling occurs, the further it will land, away from target. So technically it is yawing and not tumbling that deals the mortal blow here. (Fackler, 1996) (Jandial et al, 2008) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear June 23, 2012 Author Share June 23, 2012 (edited) i mean excluding the self weight Oh, then you champion The most we did was to clear SOC with FBO plus some swimming & running within 52min... Edited June 23, 2012 by Vulcann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bear Turbocharged June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 Anyway side track abit, thinking of getting this model, any bros here think is worth getting? The size is 37" long x 12 tall x 10.5 wide Cost: 2,300 If i remember correctly, i was onboard this vessel back in 2006 or 07 when it called in SGP. Very impressive ship. The galley serves great burgers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-LOVE-CARS 1st Gear June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 The pace of arms races has slowed down considerably. During WW2, planes were taken from drawing board to full production in months, on the other hand, planes nowadays take decades to go from first prototype flight to first squadron delivery! In any case, fans of rifled weapons can weep - with the proliferation of the Rheinmetall smoothbore 120mm gun and ammunition, the Challenger 2's rifled 120mm's days are numbered...... In the past, planes uses very little software as most of it are analog, but now, planes are so advance that they need alot of test and trails for the software or 'brain' of the aircraft to function well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bear Turbocharged June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 Syria AA just shot down a Turkish F-4 Phantom that violated their air space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear June 23, 2012 Author Share June 23, 2012 Syria AA just shot down a Turkish F-4 Phantom that violated their air space. Bear, they are still flying F-4s??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 Syria AA just shot down a Turkish F-4 Phantom that violated their air space. Saw the media report. Saw the Turkish press release. Seems that the Turkish Defence Minister did not throw caution to the wind and engage in sabrerattling talk. The last thing civil unrest strife Syrian needs is to go against the formidable Turkish military. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 Bear, they are still flying F-4s??? Upgraded by Israel's IAI industries no less. Not bone stock. Turkish and Israel sort of ark kah liow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear June 23, 2012 Author Share June 23, 2012 Apparently yes. Not the act of shooting but they still fly the Phantom... From CNA: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp...1209405/1/.html Syria shoots down Turkish jet, risking major crisis Posted: 23 June 2012 0738 hrs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear June 23, 2012 Author Share June 23, 2012 Upgraded by Israel's IAI industries no less. Not bone stock. Turkish and Israel sort of ark kah liow. We, or at least myself, must really back-off from assuming the rest of the world are keeping pace with technology as the years go by. E.g. The Argies were still operating a ex-USN WWII cruiser when it was sunk by the Brits in 1982. There are still others out there operating vintage military hardware apparently... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Bear Turbocharged June 23, 2012 Share June 23, 2012 We, or at least myself, must really back-off from assuming the rest of the world are keeping pace with technology as the years go by. E.g. The Argies were still operating a ex-USN WWII cruiser when it was sunk by the Brits in 1982. There are still others out there operating vintage military hardware apparently... These equipment can all kill. You just need to be better than your potential adversaries. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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