Unemployment rate for over-30s creeps up

[Yewheng]

10 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

By having reduced MP, there is no assurance that quality will improved.

In fact, when there is reduced MP, number of elected oppo MP might reduced.

Ppl are more worried about municipal issue more than national agenda. 

There is evidence even during recent GE.

That's the problem.. Why bring municipal issue to the parliment? 

Maybe should have another channel for municipal issue, this is so that parliment debate would have more airtime for national issues. Unless municipal issues affect in national level, then it is different story altogether.. 

In fact don't under estimate voters.. From what I see the trend is moving towards opposition be it expending or reducing the size of mps. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Yewheng

[inlinesix]

12 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

That's the problem.. Why bring municipal issue to the parliment? 

Maybe should have another channel for municipal issue, this is so that parliment debate would have more airtime for national issues. Unless municipal issues affect in national level, then it is different story altogether.. 

In fact don't under estimate voters.. From what I see the trend is moving towards opposition be it expending or reducing the size of mps. 

Aren't Municipal is also handled by MP?

What you and i see may not translate in vote for either side.

[Yewheng]

26 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Aren't Municipal is also handled by MP?

What you and i see may not translate in vote for either side.

Yes.. These issues, they could aliases with individual agencies involved.. Why bring municipal issues to parliament? You mean these individuals agencies cannot solve these municipal issues? Why cannot solve? If it involved multiple agencies.. Aren't there is a channel to go to like few years back an agency is set up to direct who should be overall in charge or whatsoever right? I feel that for parliament debate.. The debate should be purely on national issue, not municipal issues.. 

[inlinesix]

10 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

Yes.. These issues, they could aliases with individual agencies involved.. Why bring municipal issues to parliament? You mean these individuals agencies cannot solve these municipal issues? Why cannot solve? If it involved multiple agencies.. Aren't there is a channel to go to like few years back an agency is set up to direct who should be overall in charge or whatsoever right? I feel that for parliament debate.. The debate should be purely on national issue, not municipal issues.. 

Ain't Town Council managed by MP?

[Freeder]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/52-000-singaporeans-earn-less-than-s-1-300-a-month-zaqy-mohamad-13450534?cid=FBcna&fbclid=IwAR2oKIK3ZWSPbxidB1RuhV1pU5jv7v5ImF9qxK9svE8ysfEH_M1Y7pBZclk

1st World with 3rd World Salaries for locals....

WTF with Cecas getting high salaries but....

Sinkies getting screwed deeper n deeper..

[inlinesix]

27 minutes ago, Freeder said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/52-000-singaporeans-earn-less-than-s-1-300-a-month-zaqy-mohamad-13450534?cid=FBcna&fbclid=IwAR2oKIK3ZWSPbxidB1RuhV1pU5jv7v5ImF9qxK9svE8ysfEH_M1Y7pBZclk

1st World with 3rd World Salaries for locals....

WTF with Cecas getting high salaries but....

Sinkies getting screwed deeper n deeper..

That's why minimum wage is required.

If these ppl can replace CECA at 1.5k, that is GOOD for the nation.

[Throttle2]

40 minutes ago, Freeder said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/52-000-singaporeans-earn-less-than-s-1-300-a-month-zaqy-mohamad-13450534?cid=FBcna&fbclid=IwAR2oKIK3ZWSPbxidB1RuhV1pU5jv7v5ImF9qxK9svE8ysfEH_M1Y7pBZclk

1st World with 3rd World Salaries for locals....

WTF with Cecas getting high salaries but....

Sinkies getting screwed deeper n deeper..

Damn! Thats quite tough man.  $1,300 per mth in a society , a country like Singapore.

i hope these are just people who are just working for fun and to past time.  

 

[Wt_know]

18 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

Damn! Thats quite tough man.  $1,300 per mth in a society , a country like Singapore.

i hope these are just people who are just working for fun and to past time.  

 

GROSS or NETT after CPF deduction? ...  

Edited November 3, 2020 by Wt_know

[Kangadrool]

17 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

Damn! Thats quite tough man.  $1,300 per mth in a society , a country like Singapore.

i hope these are just people who are just working for fun and to past time.  

 

and getting some exercise. :-)

[Freeder]

34 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

That's why minimum wage is required.

If these ppl can replace CECA at 1.5k, that is GOOD for the nation.

With this kind of statistics, our ministars can still spew nonsense with finesse..

Really WTF....  

[Kangadrool]

5 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

GROSS or NETT after CPF deduction? ...  

If GROSS, then it's gross (awful)! If NETT, then it's nuts.

[Angcheek]

46 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

GROSS or NETT after CPF deduction? ...  

Whichever way also considered very little.  🤐

Like those working as table cleaner , dish washer ... very sad to see them work so hard for so long hour with so little pay . 

I think these set of elderly should be protected more. The elites are just closing their eyes and claimed job creations.  🙄🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️

[Kopites]

"According to Mr Zaqy, low-wage workers also receive other kinds of support from the Government, including GST vouchers and financial assistance under ComCare. 

He said Singapore follows after the International Labour Organization’s (ILO) definition of earnings, which includes employee contributions to social security and pension schemes.

Therefore, calculations have to consider CPF and Workfare contributions, as these can be used for healthcare and housing needs, he said."

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Really absurd a MP of such mindset!

Cpf/pension/gst voucher/comcare count toward the monthly take home pay!😤

Edited November 3, 2020 by Kopites

[Yewheng]

You guys need to seperate between emotional and logical thinking.. Yes we feel for those earn less then 1.3k.. But really mimimum wage is not the way to go if you guys think logically.. 

[inlinesix]

11 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

You guys need to seperate between emotional and logical thinking.. Yes we feel for those earn less then 1.3k.. But really mimimum wage is not the way to go if you guys think logically.. 

Then what?

[Windwaver]

5 hours ago, inlinesix said:

That's why minimum wage is required.

If these ppl can replace CECA at 1.5k, that is GOOD for the nation.

Yeah, priority goes to replacing CECAs that do nothing except confusing people meetings after meetings and get nothing done but still get their $$.

Those PMET CECAs definitely get more than SGD$1300 monthly.

 

[Playtime]

 

 

https://www.todayonline.com/commentary/unpopular-opinion-truth-foreign-workers-help-not-hurt-singaporean-livelihoods

 

One of Singapore’s biggest open secrets is its slow-festering anti-foreigner sentiment among some of its citizens in the social media sphere, even though most people here are not opposed to immigration per se but to the unfettered inflow of foreigners. Protected by the anonymity of private Facebook groups, these rants oftentimes verge on plain ugly racism and xenophobia.

The reasons for opposing immigration in Singapore are varied, but the biggest grievance among locals lies in the proverbial “bread and butter” issues. This is affirmed by a just-released study by the Institute of Policy Studies, which finds that 43.6 per cent of Singaporeans believe that immigration will “increase unemployment".

The problem is that the evidence contradicts this popular belief.

Long-trend data from the Singapore Department of Statistics and Ministry of Manpower shows that Singapore’s foreign workforce population has tripled in the span of three decades, while resident unemployment rates have remained stable.

comment: clearly out PMETs migrating to great jobs like grab!! PHV!!... or simply drop out of the stats.

In 1992, non-Singaporean-residents made up only 12 per cent of the total population. This rose to 19 per cent in 2000, 26 per cent in 2010, and amidst increasing resistance to foreign labour, has plateaued close to 30 per cent ever since.

In the same time period, unemployment rates of Singaporean citizens and permanent residents have remained relatively stagnant, never breaking 5.2 per cent in three decades.

comment: how many are new citizens?? again stats play.

This is a healthy indication. Growing economies must remain open to new technologies and market competition that will induce some frictional unemployment as workers move in between jobs in a flexible labour market.

comment: yup... so many highly qualified grab drivers....

A 0 per cent unemployment rate is neither practical nor desirable, as it likely means that an economy is not innovating and increasing productivity.

The data tells us a clear story. Contrary to popular belief, immigrant inflows to Singapore are not throwing citizens into mass unemployment.

comment: "mass"... nice word play... how about huge under employment??

Furthermore, the fact that employment is relatively stable while Singapore’s population is growing overtime is a sign that far from threatening the livelihoods of Singaporeans, foreign labour supplements our economy by adding to Singapore’s competitive edge and productivity.

comment: again... the under employment, and the removed from stats people..... the huge growth in the grab and phv type work... "quality" jobs... foreigners not qualified.

[Victor68]

On 11/3/2020 at 9:38 PM, Yewheng said:

You guys need to seperate between emotional and logical thinking.. Yes we feel for those earn less then 1.3k.. But really mimimum wage is not the way to go if you guys think logically.. 

The fact that you have 52k of the population earning $1.3k or below already show the 'progressive ' is just taking too long to reach the minimum survival rate right? How long should these people wait under the progressive formula?I do feel for those trapped while we are protecting minimum wages for other imported workers. Why?