City Harvest Church [CHC] members on super moral highground?

[Hamburger]

just like a recording co asking their fan base to buy their artist album.....

[Ilovemoney]

Is there something wrong with that ?

 

You don't think there is something wrong with asking members of the church to buy the CDs of the wife of the pastor while they live in multi millionaire apartments and live the life of the rich and famous? worse still, not exactly very talented.

[Ilovemoney]

How swanky her apartment was in NY, I have no idea whatsoever.

 

The church did ask members to support Sun Ho in her endeavors as a pop singer. In the matters of purchasing any stuff related to Sun's endeavors, it is up to the church members' own freewill.

 

I did not buy any albums or posters. Her music style wasn't what I preferred, personally, I'd preferred indie bands or alternative rock.

 

And if you must know, many of her albums were not released in Singapore (not that I know of anyway), and those were the albums that propelled her into the limelight in the States.

 

I have to state categorically I have nothing against CHC, in fact I had a gf previously from CHC, freewill seems like subtle undue pressure to get members to support, to me I would totally separate the two issues and not let it get mixed up with what the church preaches.

[StefanK]

I have to state categorically I have nothing against CHC, in fact I had a gf previously from CHC, freewill seems like subtle undue pressure to get members to support, to me I would totally separate the two issues and not let it get mixed up with what the church preaches.

 

I have nothing against anyone who has something against CHC. It is their freewill. That's why some posts here I decline to reply to it.

 

It is subtle pressure when the person himself does not understand his own right to make a decision. The church or it's members will not organise a lynch mob to find and lynch those who did not buy the CDs.

 

The church and Sun's endeavors only merge when what she does opened doors for artistes to believe that they can be Christians despite the industry or the environment that they are in.

[Tigerwoods]

You don't think there is something wrong with asking members of the church to buy the CDs of the wife of the pastor while they live in multi millionaire apartments and live the life of the rich and famous? worse still, not exactly very talented.

I'm with you brudder but if all the swanky apartment or mirrion $ lifestyle are obtained by proper books, who are we to say they are wrong to sell CDs ? The members have their free will to say no thanks.

 

Its for for us to judge and human life is short so let God be the Judge.

People do, Sky watch - let it be.

[Ilovemoney]

I have nothing against anyone who has something against CHC. It is their freewill. That's why some posts here I decline to reply to it.

 

It is subtle pressure when the person himself does not understand his own right to make a decision. The church or it's members will not organise a lynch mob to find and lynch those who did not buy the CDs.

 

The church and Sun's endeavors only merge when what she does opened doors for artistes to believe that they can be Christians despite the industry or the environment that they are in.

I'm with you brudder but if all the swanky apartment or mirrion $ lifestyle are obtained by proper books, who are we to say they are wrong to sell CDs ? The members have their free will to say no thanks.

 

Its for for us to judge and human life is short so let God be the Judge.

People do, Sky watch - let it be.

 

Okay brothers, I suppose both of you are Christians and see it in a different way, I respect any religion as long as its for good and not bad, there is nothing wrong with pastors being rich and so on but perhaps as a semi-celebrity moral compasses they need to be more subtle about it if not it will invite gossip on the real purpose of the church, I think CHC, CCC, NCC are really too high profile for their own good at times.

[Qooo]

I fail to see the connection between the 2nd sentence with the rest of the story! or is it just me?

[Tigerwoods]

Okay brothers, I suppose both of you are Christians and see it in a different way, I respect any religion as long as its for good and not bad, there is nothing wrong with pastors being rich and so on but perhaps as a semi-celebrity moral compasses they need to be more subtle about it if not it will invite gossip on the real purpose of the church, I think CHC, CCC, NCC are really too high profile for their own good at times.

Brudder Ilovemoney

Personally I have something against Rich religious leaders because what is the aim for each and everyone to be in this faith ?

To be more Christ-like. Compare Him with these leaders and you will find it hard to digest.

However, who am I to judge that rich religious leaders are not after God's heart ? Maybe they are and I can't see behind their Bling Bling.

 

And Yes I find Ms Ho's music commercial at best. Forgettable.

[Jamesc]

I like all religions, it teaches people to be loving and kind,

 

to give food to the hungry and medicines to the sick.

 

All good things.

 

Sadly most people love money more than their religion.

 

So when do they ever give food to the poor and medicines

 

to the sick? When are people loving and kind?

 

[StefanK]

Okay brothers, I suppose both of you are Christians and see it in a different way, I respect any religion as long as its for good and not bad, there is nothing wrong with pastors being rich and so on but perhaps as a semi-celebrity moral compasses they need to be more subtle about it if not it will invite gossip on the real purpose of the church, I think CHC, CCC, NCC are really too high profile for their own good at times.

 

Whether or not they are considered as celebrities, it can be quite subjective. I'd like to think that they are deemed celebrities because they are spoken about constantly when issues like religion are raised.

 

A true-blue celebrity should be Pastor Lawrence Kong. He's a magician and he has paid performances! The church goes on just fine.

 

Pastors from CHC, CCC and NCC often get thrown into the limelight more than they would have liked, making them a more likely target for praises and criticisms.

[Jamesc]

I also support that singer that wears revealing clothes.

 

God gave her that body and she was just showing off God's work.

 

We shouldn't be ashame of our bodies.

 

If we were supposed to wear clothes, we would have been born with it.

 

[Jamesc]

When I was small in my home was 3 statues of Fu Lu Shou,

 

weath, success and healthy long life.

 

When I went to the new churches of prosperity,

 

I heard the pastor talk about Gold will give you success

 

and God will give you wealth and God will give you

 

good health.

 

I was so happy to hear that as my grand parents

 

also told me to worship the 3 Gods of wealth, success and

 

long life. So pagan is the same as what they places worship.

 

[Ilovemoney]

Brudder Ilovemoney

Personally I have something against Rich religious leaders because what is the aim for each and everyone to be in this faith ?

To be more Christ-like. Compare Him with these leaders and you will find it hard to digest.

However, who am I to judge that rich religious leaders are not after God's heart ? Maybe they are and I can't see behind their Bling Bling.

 

And Yes I find Ms Ho's music commercial at best. Forgettable.

 

Bro TigerWoods, I hope they are using their wealth for good causes then, I can't judge, I do not know what they do with their personal money, but then again are they paid to be pastors? is their pay 25K a month? is it justificable to be paid so much as a religious leader? I really don't know...

[Jamesc]

Why people complaint religious leaders are paid a lot of money?

 

Why people never complaint those gangster heads make too much money?

 

Teach people to do good things like feed the hungry and give medicines to the sick

 

shoiuld be rewarded more than those that teach people to do crime.

 

Lets reward those people that teach we should be kind and loving

 

and give all their money to the poor people.

 

No need for them to have any money as God will provide for them.

 

Of course this is only true if they trust their God.

 

If they have no trust in God, they can always trust in money.

 

[Meganut]

Amen to that bro, amen!

 

her cell leader not god. so not really for them and for that matter us to comment who go to hell.

 

[Meganut]

The things that a member said, may not represent the organisation at all. In my opinion, that member should be counseled.

The church practices harmony, understanding and open-mindedness not such zealot bigotry.

 

Yup I agree with you!

 

[Yuan]

I'm with you brudder but if all the swanky apartment or mirrion $ lifestyle are obtained by proper books, who are we to say they are wrong to sell CDs ? The members have their free will to say no thanks.

 

Its for for us to judge and human life is short so let God be the Judge.

People do, Sky watch - let it be.

 

Every man is to stand before God one day and account for his or her every single deed or act. Romans 14:12.

Edited June 1, 2012 by Yuan

[Yuan]

Whether or not they are considered as celebrities, it can be quite subjective. I'd like to think that they are deemed celebrities because they are spoken about constantly when issues like religion are raised.

 

A true-blue celebrity should be Pastor Lawrence Kong. He's a magician and he has paid performances! The church goes on just fine.

 

Pastors from CHC, CCC and NCC often get thrown into the limelight more than they would have liked, making them a more likely target for praises and criticisms.

 

Whether they are viewed as celebrities by their own congregation, I do not know. But from what I had seen and experienced with these various churches, some of the pastors are machiam given VIP treatment. Always up there and seemingly untouchable.

 

Not trying to judge them but it is ironic that the God they worship as according to the bible is one who is opposite and washes the feet of his disciples. This is something that I simply cannot reconcile as a Christian.