Why dont they make such models?

[KARTer]

I like the body configuration of the RX8:- 4-seater, with better than 2-door access for the rear passengers by use of rear-half-doors. But my concern of high maintenance etc of the rotary engine (which doesnt really improve performance by a lot vs mazda 2.3 turbo engine) keep me away from this model.

 

If Mazda produced the RX8 with a more convention power plant like the 2.3L T as an alternative, they may sell more RX8s?

 

Similarly, proven engines like the old evo engine or the STi engine can also be used in other models for more ommphs....

 

The Jazz/Fit lineup also lacks a performance version wherelse Polo, etc have it. A great body needs a great engine to produce a winner while the B&B verison can continue to sell to the general car buyers.

 

What other mix-and-match models you can think of?

[Mazdaowner]

  On 4/10/2012 at 12:55 AM, KARTer said:

I like the body configuration of the RX8:- 4-seater, with better than 2-door access for the rear passengers by use of rear-half-doors. But my concern of high maintenance etc of the rotary engine (which doesnt really improve performance by a lot vs mazda 2.3 turbo engine) keep me away from this model.

 

If Mazda produced the RX8 with a more convention power plant like the 2.3L T as an alternative, they may sell more RX8s?

 

Similarly, proven engines like the old evo engine or the STi engine can also be used in other models for more ommphs....

 

The Jazz/Fit lineup also lacks a performance version wherelse Polo, etc have it. A great body needs a great engine to produce a winner while the B&B verison can continue to sell to the general car buyers.

 

What other mix-and-match models you can think of?

 

They are known as SUICIDE DOORS.

[RadX]

First of all, this is a genuine car question, why the hell is it in lite&EZ

 

EH can you pleass start in proper thread anot....

 

moving to general car concussion...er discussion

[Mazdaowner]

  On 4/10/2012 at 1:02 AM, RadX said:

First of all, this is a genuine car question, why the hell is it in lite&EZ

 

EH can you pleass start in proper thread anot....

 

moving to general car concussion...er discussion

 

Moved.

[Watwheels]

  On 4/10/2012 at 12:55 AM, KARTer said:

I like the body configuration of the RX8:- 4-seater, with better than 2-door access for the rear passengers by use of rear-half-doors. But my concern of high maintenance etc of the rotary engine (which doesnt really improve performance by a lot vs mazda 2.3 turbo engine) keep me away from this model.

 

If Mazda produced the RX8 with a more convention power plant like the 2.3L T as an alternative, they may sell more RX8s?

 

Similarly, proven engines like the old evo engine or the STi engine can also be used in other models for more ommphs....

 

The Jazz/Fit lineup also lacks a performance version wherelse Polo, etc have it. A great body needs a great engine to produce a winner while the B&B verison can continue to sell to the general car buyers.

 

What other mix-and-match models you can think of?

4 seater? Nobody calls it that. It's a 2+2 coupe with suicide doors.

 

There's a reason the car is setup this way. Firstly the rotary NA engine is lightweight and take up less space as compared to the 2.3L TC engine which has more moving parts plus intercooler. The balanced weight front & rear give the car its good handling. This is the character of the RX8 that no other car has. There's no need to follow mass market inline 4 TC performance cars.

[Mazdaowner]

  On 4/10/2012 at 1:14 AM, Watwheels said:

4 seater? Nobody calls it that. It's a 2+2 coupe with suicide doors.

 

There's a reason the car is setup this way. Firstly the rotary NA engine is lightweight and take up less space as compared to the 2.3L TC engine which has more moving parts plus intercooler. The balanced weight front & rear give the car its good handling. This is the character of the RX8 that no other car has. There's no need to follow mass market inline 4 TC performance cars.

 

[thumbsup]

[Vhtfhwlego]

actually if that you notice, some of these sporty cars doesnt suit the drivers.

a good car must match with a good driver...

[Mazdaowner]

  On 4/10/2012 at 1:51 AM, Vhtfhwlego said:

actually if that you notice, some of these sporty cars doesnt suit the drivers.

a good car must match with a good driver...

 

Very subjective.

[Vhtfhwlego]

  On 4/10/2012 at 2:07 AM, Mazdaowner said:

Very subjective.

Don't bluff children. They will be adults one day.

[Antlau]

  On 4/10/2012 at 12:55 AM, KARTer said:

I like the body configuration of the RX8:- 4-seater, with better than 2-door access for the rear passengers by use of rear-half-doors. But my concern of high maintenance etc of the rotary engine (which doesnt really improve performance by a lot vs mazda 2.3 turbo engine) keep me away from this model.

 

If Mazda produced the RX8 with a more convention power plant like the 2.3L T as an alternative, they may sell more RX8s?

 

Similarly, proven engines like the old evo engine or the STi engine can also be used in other models for more ommphs....

 

The Jazz/Fit lineup also lacks a performance version wherelse Polo, etc have it. A great body needs a great engine to produce a winner while the B&B verison can continue to sell to the general car buyers.

 

What other mix-and-match models you can think of?

 

one separate question is the "where"?... you can zhng all you want, but not in Singapore...sigh...

 

it is also the cost issue... in uniquely singapore, it is not that apparent as the cars are already damn expensive without any add-ons... but in other "normal" countries, by using other type of engines which may deem to be better but not designed for the cars, the production cost may increase due to some parts may have to be strengthened or added, thus the selling prices will increase, and do not meet market requirements...

[Sky61]

RB26DETT paired with electric motors for fuel economy when u go easy on the throttle, and power when u need it. thus being a good daily driver

[Pocus]

  On 4/10/2012 at 12:55 AM, KARTer said:

I like the body configuration of the RX8:- 4-seater, with better than 2-door access for the rear passengers by use of rear-half-doors. But my concern of high maintenance etc of the rotary engine (which doesnt really improve performance by a lot vs mazda 2.3 turbo engine) keep me away from this model.

 

If Mazda produced the RX8 with a more convention power plant like the 2.3L T as an alternative, they may sell more RX8s?

 

Similarly, proven engines like the old evo engine or the STi engine can also be used in other models for more ommphs....

 

The Jazz/Fit lineup also lacks a performance version wherelse Polo, etc have it. A great body needs a great engine to produce a winner while the B&B verison can continue to sell to the general car buyers.

 

What other mix-and-match models you can think of?

 

Does the Fit/Jazz chassis have great design and rigidity for a performance version?

 

I know when they built the Swift, part of their mindset is the chassis must be rigid enough for a performance version so they can use it for the JWRC championships. Hence the swift is more compact than most B&B compact hatches. I always feel that a Swift Sport is somewhat underpowered for it's NA only engine.

 

If the SSS comes with a Turbo Charged engine will sell like hot cakes not only around the world but potentially in SG too. A 1.6 TC with at least 170bhp would be nice.....in fact it's a wet dream for most SSS fans...

[Peaceracer]

They Are!! Its called the MX-8. Sourced from Autozine.org

 

Mazda RX-8 reborn as MX-8 !

 

 

 

Production of Mazda RX-8 stopped at the end of last year as its rotary engine could not meet the requirements of new emission regulations enforced this year. However, since its demise there have been overwhelming voices from enthusiasts circles as well as Mazda's US dealers to ask for a follow-up model. Unfortunately, the development of new 16X rotary engine and new RX-7 have been affecting by technical difficulties and financial constraints so that they are not going to happen in the next 5 years. As a stop-gap measure, Mazda decided to build a conventional engine version of RX-8. It is to be called MX-8.

 

The MX-8 will be the flagship of the MX line of coupes, which includes MX-5 and the demised MX-3 and MX-6 of the 1990s. The change of name makes sense as the R in RX-8 means Rotary and the M in MX means Motor.

 

 

 

The MX-8 keeps largely all of RX-8 intact except the powertrain and suspension fine tuning. As the chassis of RX-8 is still considered to be top notch, Mazda believes there is no need to redo it. Its unique styling and 4-seat cabin with suicide rear doors are also considered to be unrivalled. Modifications to the exterior are largely introduced to aid cooling. In particular, the bonnet is opened with two ventilation holes to cool the intercooler, and the front quarter panel at each side incorporates an additional vent to extract hot air from the engine compartment. As a result of the latter change, the signal lamps have been moved to the headlamps. New LED daytime running lights have been added, too. Finally, a reshaped lip spoiler and slightly deeper side skirts cut aerodynamic drag by 0.01 to 0.29.

 

 

 

The focus is the engine, of course. Powering the MX-8 is a new Skyactiv 2.3 Turbo four-cylinder with dual S-VT variable valve timing and direct fuel injection. It is known to be derived from the unit powering Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed 3), but converted to position longitudinally in the rear-drive coupe. New Skyactiv technology raises its compression ratio from 9.5:1 to 12.5:1, thanks to a set of long, length-matched exhaust manifolds and special pistons. Such a high compression is unheard for turbocharged gasoline engines. As a result, the engine pumps out 280 hp and 295 lbft, 20 hp and 15 lbft stronger than the version of Mazda 3 MPS. Moreover, its maximum torque is available from merely 1000 rpm all the way to 5500 rpm, thanks to the use of a twin-scroll turbo. The engine is capable to rev to 7000 rpm, impressive for a turbo four-banger, if not a match to the Wankel engine's 9000 rpm redline.

 

Compare with the outgoing RX-8, the MX-8 offers 45 extra horsepower at the top end. Its peak torque is almost doubled, and tractability should be far superior. We expect its 0-60 mph sprint will be closer to 5.0 seconds than the RX-8's 6.3 seconds.

 

 

Cabin is kept unchanged from RX-8

 

The MX-8 is equipped with 6-speed manual gearbox as standard. It is a beefed up version of the outgoing unit. Better news is that the RX-8's optional 5-speed automatic is to be replaced with a new 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox. The latter is supplied by Getrag and is practicality the same as that being used on BMW M3 DCT.

 

Mazda would have loved to apply the Skyactiv lightweight chassis technology to the car, but that proposal was rejected due to cost concerns. Anyway, the RX-8 chassis is still relatively stiff and lightweight by class standard. In addition to retuned suspensions, it should keep the excellent handling and ride of the outgoing car.

 

 

Dashboard is largely unaltered, but uses soft-touch plastics all round.

 

While the RX-8 was notorious for thirst and pollution, the MX-8 should be a lot more friendly to environment. It adopts a range of Skyactiv green technology to cut carbon footprints. Most notable of which is Skyactiv Cylinder Deactivation, which shuts down 2 of the 4 cylinders in each brake caliper at light load to save your pedal effort.

Edited April 10, 2012 by Peaceracer

[Mazdaowner]

This will be a sight to behold. Road tax and insurance will be sky high as well. [:p]

 

  On 4/10/2012 at 3:25 AM, Peaceracer said:

They Are!! Its called the MX-8. Sourced from Autozine.org

 

Mazda RX-8 reborn as MX-8 !

 

 

 

Production of Mazda RX-8 stopped at the end of last year as its rotary engine could not meet the requirements of new emission regulations enforced this year. However, since its demise there have been overwhelming voices from enthusiasts circles as well as Mazda's US dealers to ask for a follow-up model. Unfortunately, the development of new 16X rotary engine and new RX-7 have been affecting by technical difficulties and financial constraints so that they are not going to happen in the next 5 years. As a stop-gap measure, Mazda decided to build a conventional engine version of RX-8. It is to be called MX-8.

 

The MX-8 will be the flagship of the MX line of coupes, which includes MX-5 and the demised MX-3 and MX-6 of the 1990s. The change of name makes sense as the R in RX-8 means Rotary and the M in MX means Motor.

 

 

 

The MX-8 keeps largely all of RX-8 intact except the powertrain and suspension fine tuning. As the chassis of RX-8 is still considered to be top notch, Mazda believes there is no need to redo it. Its unique styling and 4-seat cabin with suicide rear doors are also considered to be unrivalled. Modifications to the exterior are largely introduced to aid cooling. In particular, the bonnet is opened with two ventilation holes to cool the intercooler, and the front quarter panel at each side incorporates an additional vent to extract hot air from the engine compartment. As a result of the latter change, the signal lamps have been moved to the headlamps. New LED daytime running lights have been added, too. Finally, a reshaped lip spoiler and slightly deeper side skirts cut aerodynamic drag by 0.01 to 0.29.

 

 

 

The focus is the engine, of course. Powering the MX-8 is a new Skyactiv 2.3 Turbo four-cylinder with dual S-VT variable valve timing and direct fuel injection. It is known to be derived from the unit powering Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed 3), but converted to position longitudinally in the rear-drive coupe. New Skyactiv technology raises its compression ratio from 9.5:1 to 12.5:1, thanks to a set of long, length-matched exhaust manifolds and special pistons. Such a high compression is unheard for turbocharged gasoline engines. As a result, the engine pumps out 280 hp and 295 lbft, 20 hp and 15 lbft stronger than the version of Mazda 3 MPS. Moreover, its maximum torque is available from merely 1000 rpm all the way to 5500 rpm, thanks to the use of a twin-scroll turbo. The engine is capable to rev to 7000 rpm, impressive for a turbo four-banger, if not a match to the Wankel engine's 9000 rpm redline.

 

Compare with the outgoing RX-8, the MX-8 offers 45 extra horsepower at the top end. Its peak torque is almost doubled, and tractability should be far superior. We expect its 0-60 mph sprint will be closer to 5.0 seconds than the RX-8's 6.3 seconds.

 

 

Cabin is kept unchanged from RX-8

 

The MX-8 is equipped with 6-speed manual gearbox as standard. It is a beefed up version of the outgoing unit. Better news is that the RX-8's optional 5-speed automatic is to be replaced with a new 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox. The latter is supplied by Getrag and is practicality the same as that being used on BMW M3 DCT.

 

Mazda would have loved to apply the Skyactiv lightweight chassis technology to the car, but that proposal was rejected due to cost concerns. Anyway, the RX-8 chassis is still relatively stiff and lightweight by class standard. In addition to retuned suspensions, it should keep the excellent handling and ride of the outgoing car.

 

 

Dashboard is largely unaltered, but uses soft-touch plastics all round.

 

While the RX-8 was notorious for thirst and pollution, the MX-8 should be a lot more friendly to environment. It adopts a range of Skyactiv green technology to cut carbon footprints. Most notable of which is Skyactiv Cylinder Deactivation, which shuts down 2 of the 4 cylinders in each brake caliper at light load to save your pedal effort.

 

[SimonTan]

There was Celica, MR-S,Copen, etc.

The market is not big enough to recover the moldy design costs.

 

[KARTer]

  On 4/10/2012 at 12:57 AM, Mazdaowner said:

They are known as SUICIDE DOORS.

i wonder why the top Rolls Royce model still uses it as driver's door!!??

[KARTer]

Any news on lauch date? hope it is avaliable here.... and when COE prices soften

 

  On 4/10/2012 at 3:25 AM, Peaceracer said:

They Are!! Its called the MX-8. Sourced from Autozine.org

 

Mazda RX-8 reborn as MX-8 !

 

 

 

Production of Mazda RX-8 stopped at the end of last year as its rotary engine could not meet the requirements of new emission regulations enforced this year. However, since its demise there have been overwhelming voices from enthusiasts circles as well as Mazda's US dealers to ask for a follow-up model. Unfortunately, the development of new 16X rotary engine and new RX-7 have been affecting by technical difficulties and financial constraints so that they are not going to happen in the next 5 years. As a stop-gap measure, Mazda decided to build a conventional engine version of RX-8. It is to be called MX-8.

 

The MX-8 will be the flagship of the MX line of coupes, which includes MX-5 and the demised MX-3 and MX-6 of the 1990s. The change of name makes sense as the R in RX-8 means Rotary and the M in MX means Motor.

 

 

 

The MX-8 keeps largely all of RX-8 intact except the powertrain and suspension fine tuning. As the chassis of RX-8 is still considered to be top notch, Mazda believes there is no need to redo it. Its unique styling and 4-seat cabin with suicide rear doors are also considered to be unrivalled. Modifications to the exterior are largely introduced to aid cooling. In particular, the bonnet is opened with two ventilation holes to cool the intercooler, and the front quarter panel at each side incorporates an additional vent to extract hot air from the engine compartment. As a result of the latter change, the signal lamps have been moved to the headlamps. New LED daytime running lights have been added, too. Finally, a reshaped lip spoiler and slightly deeper side skirts cut aerodynamic drag by 0.01 to 0.29.

 

 

 

The focus is the engine, of course. Powering the MX-8 is a new Skyactiv 2.3 Turbo four-cylinder with dual S-VT variable valve timing and direct fuel injection. It is known to be derived from the unit powering Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed 3), but converted to position longitudinally in the rear-drive coupe. New Skyactiv technology raises its compression ratio from 9.5:1 to 12.5:1, thanks to a set of long, length-matched exhaust manifolds and special pistons. Such a high compression is unheard for turbocharged gasoline engines. As a result, the engine pumps out 280 hp and 295 lbft, 20 hp and 15 lbft stronger than the version of Mazda 3 MPS. Moreover, its maximum torque is available from merely 1000 rpm all the way to 5500 rpm, thanks to the use of a twin-scroll turbo. The engine is capable to rev to 7000 rpm, impressive for a turbo four-banger, if not a match to the Wankel engine's 9000 rpm redline.

 

Compare with the outgoing RX-8, the MX-8 offers 45 extra horsepower at the top end. Its peak torque is almost doubled, and tractability should be far superior. We expect its 0-60 mph sprint will be closer to 5.0 seconds than the RX-8's 6.3 seconds.

 

 

Cabin is kept unchanged from RX-8

 

The MX-8 is equipped with 6-speed manual gearbox as standard. It is a beefed up version of the outgoing unit. Better news is that the RX-8's optional 5-speed automatic is to be replaced with a new 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox. The latter is supplied by Getrag and is practicality the same as that being used on BMW M3 DCT.

 

Mazda would have loved to apply the Skyactiv lightweight chassis technology to the car, but that proposal was rejected due to cost concerns. Anyway, the RX-8 chassis is still relatively stiff and lightweight by class standard. In addition to retuned suspensions, it should keep the excellent handling and ride of the outgoing car.

 

 

Dashboard is largely unaltered, but uses soft-touch plastics all round.

 

While the RX-8 was notorious for thirst and pollution, the MX-8 should be a lot more friendly to environment. It adopts a range of Skyactiv green technology to cut carbon footprints. Most notable of which is Skyactiv Cylinder Deactivation, which shuts down 2 of the 4 cylinders in each brake caliper at light load to save your pedal effort.

 

[KARTer]

  On 4/10/2012 at 2:50 AM, Pocus said:

Does the Fit/Jazz chassis have great design and rigidity for a performance version?

 

I know when they built the Swift, part of their mindset is the chassis must be rigid enough for a performance version so they can use it for the JWRC championships. Hence the swift is more compact than most B&B compact hatches. I always feel that a Swift Sport is somewhat underpowered for it's NA only engine.

 

If the SSS comes with a Turbo Charged engine will sell like hot cakes not only around the world but potentially in SG too. A 1.6 TC with at least 170bhp would be nice.....in fact it's a wet dream for most SSS fans...

Unless the chassis / body design of the B&B is such that it cant be 'strengthened' to accommodate higher power, and provide good handling at the same time, it's possible to add a performance version to the lineup... i guess the SSS has somewhat different design from the normal swift in these regards?